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I see what you mean now skybound. They're not really foxtails-just lumps. They don't pry apart well.
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~Chocolate Mint OG~
Scuze the # of pics. Too tired and stoned to sort through them better.
This plant had some health issues like most of the rest of this last round. I'm blaming it on the nutrient change and inferior bulbs, for now. Replaced the nutes already, and bulbs are on the way. Normally I'd just blame myself for screwing up - but it seems like everything was reasonably well on track for the last couple months.
Anyway- no shortage of colour- but like the PC and the PP, buds were small and the leaf health was pretty wonky.
Not complaining though- (god forbid). Pretty looking buds make me happy and who knows -mayb I wil lern too grow more perfect nekst time.
The joy of purple finger hash.
Scuze the # of pics. Too tired and stoned to sort through them better.
This plant had some health issues like most of the rest of this last round. I'm blaming it on the nutrient change and inferior bulbs, for now. Replaced the nutes already, and bulbs are on the way. Normally I'd just blame myself for screwing up - but it seems like everything was reasonably well on track for the last couple months.
Anyway- no shortage of colour- but like the PC and the PP, buds were small and the leaf health was pretty wonky.
Not complaining though- (god forbid). Pretty looking buds make me happy and who knows -mayb I wil lern too grow more perfect nekst time.
The joy of purple finger hash.
Skybound
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I see you really enjoy getting your fingers a sticky snotty purpley mess every now and again. Sorry about the light situation, I think I might be seeing a similar thing in my grow. BubbleGum isn't living up to my expectations I guess. Though I've been using the cheapest gear I can get my hands on, so it only goes to prove I get what I paid for I guess.
Kriaze
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Over here we used to have oxo moments when making gravy or stews and such before they changed the recipe and made the stock cubes drier and crumblier (although still tasty but nowhere near as much residue left on the fingers). Your fingers remind me of just that whenever you post those pics of stickiness, get them in your mouth lad lol.
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For now I added the finger hash to my finger hash jar Kriaze. Kind of enjoying watching that little jar slowly fill up. Weird little side hobbies, you know...
I've generally gone with cheap bulbs. And I've had a hard time telling the cheap ones from the good ones. But I'm screwing up a bit less now than I was before. Really hard to know for sure what's going wrong when so many things are going wrong. Now I'm occasionally starting to think that I can detect when the limitations are coming from equipment and not just from me. I could be wrong of course.
But these last two bulbs were some sort of no-name stuff and after a couple months of use I figured out one was turning off intermittently- just for a few minutes every twenty minutes or so. Not a good sign.
Anyway good bulbs seem like a good investment and all I've done lately is work so I decided to spend a little of the paycheck.
I've been looking at CMH lighting a little bit lately. Though the warnings about UV-c radiation from them bother me a little though, since I like to hang out in the grow and already worry I'm starting to fry my eyes. I'll have to add better sunglasses to the never ending list.
I've generally gone with cheap bulbs. And I've had a hard time telling the cheap ones from the good ones. But I'm screwing up a bit less now than I was before. Really hard to know for sure what's going wrong when so many things are going wrong. Now I'm occasionally starting to think that I can detect when the limitations are coming from equipment and not just from me. I could be wrong of course.
But these last two bulbs were some sort of no-name stuff and after a couple months of use I figured out one was turning off intermittently- just for a few minutes every twenty minutes or so. Not a good sign.
Anyway good bulbs seem like a good investment and all I've done lately is work so I decided to spend a little of the paycheck.
I've been looking at CMH lighting a little bit lately. Though the warnings about UV-c radiation from them bother me a little though, since I like to hang out in the grow and already worry I'm starting to fry my eyes. I'll have to add better sunglasses to the never ending list.
Kriaze
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You can't go far wrong with the Method Seven glasses but I also read that welding glasses have the same protection. From what I read the UV-c radiation from CMH lights is minimal, enough for plants but not too much for humans unless the glass blows, don't take that as gospel though. I ran a CMH for the last couple of weeks in my last grow and the buds were denser than they had been before that, it could just have been the extra light though, either way my plants are seeming to love it and although the flowering tent is not the main point of my current journal I do still throw the odd pic in just because they do seem to be loving that particular combination of lights I'm currently using.
It's too late to grab a picture now as the lights went off an hour ago but here is a fairly recent pic of my crossed seeds under the SunSystem CMH 315 and the COB LED mix I'm using:
It's the happiest I've seen the plants ever, or at least for as long as I can remember
It's too late to grab a picture now as the lights went off an hour ago but here is a fairly recent pic of my crossed seeds under the SunSystem CMH 315 and the COB LED mix I'm using:
It's the happiest I've seen the plants ever, or at least for as long as I can remember
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Sorry for the extra picture mate but I thought you might want to see the actual lights themselves. The CMH comes with two types of reflector, the X-wing type and this, don't ask me which is best though as I haven't tried the other so can't compare:
The pic is from when I first switched to flower awhile ago and the plants had only just woken up so they don't look too perky here, I do like what I'm seeing now.
The pic is from when I first switched to flower awhile ago and the plants had only just woken up so they don't look too perky here, I do like what I'm seeing now.
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I think I just had bad luck of the draw. with the first two websites I looked at saying stuff like this
But since then I haven't found so many warnings. And I guess they're just talking about 'single jacketed' bulbs- whatever that means. I gather that some have a layer of UV protection added.
The other area I'm a bit extra hazy on these things is whether or not they're better in flowering than my HPS. I don't care all that much about what I use for veg lights. Veg is fairly easy and usually my veg room is overcrowded anyway so I don't want them growing faster.
But since then I haven't found so many warnings. And I guess they're just talking about 'single jacketed' bulbs- whatever that means. I gather that some have a layer of UV protection added.
The other area I'm a bit extra hazy on these things is whether or not they're better in flowering than my HPS. I don't care all that much about what I use for veg lights. Veg is fairly easy and usually my veg room is overcrowded anyway so I don't want them growing faster.
Kriaze
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The double jacketed bulbs do have two layers of glass, the one in my second picture is one of those types. I read those warnings also and was determined that I would wear long sleeves when tending the plants, never happened though so stay tuned and we'll see if my arms start growing scales and such, they do get warm in there 
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Thanks. I like the pics and the info and it's good to hear from you. I think we've mostly all been a bit busy with the usual summer quickening/madness and some people I haven't seen much of lately. Yourself included. I feel like I haven't even seen much of myself lately.
The Method 7s are for LED blurple right? And the CMH is- white light, I think. Or at least whitish? So the same glasses work?
The Method 7s are for LED blurple right? And the CMH is- white light, I think. Or at least whitish? So the same glasses work?
santb
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Wow, Weasel... All those plants look so good! The peyote is/was gorgeous; and that runt with the weird foxtail/buds could win your contest!!
The CHMOG... The colour was awesome!! I now have 3 more CHMOG beans on the way.. Hope one of them turns out that colour!
How's it smell?? You get that "Choc-Mint"?
Nice haul as usual!
The CHMOG... The colour was awesome!! I now have 3 more CHMOG beans on the way.. Hope one of them turns out that colour!
How's it smell?? You get that "Choc-Mint"?
Nice haul as usual!
Kriaze
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It's been a bit hectic here for the past 4 weeks due to my mother in law passing away and there being a coroner's inquest etc, the funeral was yesterday so hopefully things will get better around here now that people can finish the grieving process. My journal is up and running steadily but I left it out of my signature due to the 'mood' in the house and not wanting to convey any negativity onto the journal. If you'd like to join in just let me know, nothing much new going on though, just playing around and popping off plants lol
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Thanks Santb. You know I sniffed that stuff in the past thinking 'chocolate mint? But could never find any. Totally forgot to think of that tonight. Funny cause I was trying to think of what it smells like and nothing came to mind except that the smell is very strong. I don't know what it smells like. I'll give it some thought tomorrow when I'm smelling it again.
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Oh you've got another journal Kriaze - 
great. I'll ferret that out in the morning. I'm going to get a couple hours sleep. 
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The grafted plant at five weeks, with the Honduras in front for a couple of the pics. The Honduras has been flowering about five weeks as well.
After all the talk of rootstock influence- there is zero sign of it happening, other than the feeding level being different. All three strains look and smell like themselves.
Malawi is in front with the small buds. Panama upper left, Mama Thai upper right with somewhat yellower leaves.
Honduras is slowing just slightly from her inch per day routine. At 45 inches she's now fallen an inch behind schedule- 29 inches over the last 30 days.
After all the talk of rootstock influence- there is zero sign of it happening, other than the feeding level being different. All three strains look and smell like themselves.
Malawi is in front with the small buds. Panama upper left, Mama Thai upper right with somewhat yellower leaves.
Honduras is slowing just slightly from her inch per day routine. At 45 inches she's now fallen an inch behind schedule- 29 inches over the last 30 days.
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WC, when you graft, do you need to leave some original foliage with the original rootstock, or can you eventually take off the original top and replace it with some grafts? For example, if your PC was your root stock, do you need to leave some PC up top too, or can you cut all the PC foliage off to be replaced with another set of genetics?
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This is something I've been thinking about a lot. With the one I'm currently flowering, the Panama rootstock plant was left to flower as a third of the plant along with the two scion strains that were grafted on to it.
When I was reading about commercial grafting, I read that they apparently never leave any of the rootstock foliage to grow or it will quickly take over from the scion. So any shoots that grow out below the splice are always removed.
In my case the Panama didn't 'take over' from the other two- though I had to work at it to keep the three sections a roughly equal size- and the Panama took more pruning and slowing than the other two.
Anyway- part of me is wondering if it has changed the dynamic somehow that I haven't removed the rootstock foliage. Maybe it would be having more influence on the other two if I did it the 'normal' way. I can't really think how it could- since the only roots growing in the pot are the Panama roots, and everything flows through her stem initially.
I'm going to test this more when I flower the Peyote Purple- G Tiger, Honduras, Malawi, Panama.
So far I have the Honduras grafted on to the PP already, and the GT and Pan are almost done and ready to cut free. After the Malawi is grafted on I'll remove all the PP branches and foliage- leaving just the base that feeds the other four strains growing on it.
That's going to be a really uneven mix so I hope there's some sort of major influence and calming effect from the rootstock or its going to be a bit of a gong show trying to sort that one out.
I don't know what I'm going to do with the other multi-strain hydra I have in veg. I suppose I'll have to either keep hacking it down and use it as a mother- or flower it and hope for the best. It keeps trying to overgrow my veg room and it's kind of a bushy confusing mess. Little labels stuck all over the place so I can know what branch is what. Part of me wants to say f it and toss the thing into flower just to get rid of it.
When I was reading about commercial grafting, I read that they apparently never leave any of the rootstock foliage to grow or it will quickly take over from the scion. So any shoots that grow out below the splice are always removed.
In my case the Panama didn't 'take over' from the other two- though I had to work at it to keep the three sections a roughly equal size- and the Panama took more pruning and slowing than the other two.
Anyway- part of me is wondering if it has changed the dynamic somehow that I haven't removed the rootstock foliage. Maybe it would be having more influence on the other two if I did it the 'normal' way. I can't really think how it could- since the only roots growing in the pot are the Panama roots, and everything flows through her stem initially.
I'm going to test this more when I flower the Peyote Purple- G Tiger, Honduras, Malawi, Panama.
So far I have the Honduras grafted on to the PP already, and the GT and Pan are almost done and ready to cut free. After the Malawi is grafted on I'll remove all the PP branches and foliage- leaving just the base that feeds the other four strains growing on it.
That's going to be a really uneven mix so I hope there's some sort of major influence and calming effect from the rootstock or its going to be a bit of a gong show trying to sort that one out.
I don't know what I'm going to do with the other multi-strain hydra I have in veg. I suppose I'll have to either keep hacking it down and use it as a mother- or flower it and hope for the best. It keeps trying to overgrow my veg room and it's kind of a bushy confusing mess. Little labels stuck all over the place so I can know what branch is what. Part of me wants to say f it and toss the thing into flower just to get rid of it.
You're nearing grower nerd nirvana... careful now... we don't want you transcending reality and shit.
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Sad but true. On the other hand I wrote that at 5 am when I was so tired and fried I had one eye squinted shut against the light from the phone which was dimmed down to minimum, and every second word was a typo so it took me forever to write that gibberish and immediately afterwards I fell asleep. Sleep/Nirvana -close enough for me.
Notes - I put both GTs into flowering. GT- A turned hermie on me but it occurred to me that it was right next to a P Chunk that I'd been spraying with CS - and maybe some rubbed off on it. Very unlikely I think but wtf. I removed all grafts and clones of GT-A from the veg room- but a couple weeks later found the main/original GT- A plant that I'd missed somewhere in back of the jungle. Thought I'd toss it in for another try since it's there.
GT-B sexed as female but who knows maybe she's a hermie as well.
If either one is a go, I'll probably have to scrog them- unless I'm around enough to do some heavy training - which I don't think I will be.
Notes - I put both GTs into flowering. GT- A turned hermie on me but it occurred to me that it was right next to a P Chunk that I'd been spraying with CS - and maybe some rubbed off on it. Very unlikely I think but wtf. I removed all grafts and clones of GT-A from the veg room- but a couple weeks later found the main/original GT- A plant that I'd missed somewhere in back of the jungle. Thought I'd toss it in for another try since it's there.
GT-B sexed as female but who knows maybe she's a hermie as well.
If either one is a go, I'll probably have to scrog them- unless I'm around enough to do some heavy training - which I don't think I will be.