A very frequent activity in my world as well.
Love the rootlets.
Weasel Forges Ahead
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A very frequent activity in my world as well.
Love the rootlets.
Gaffle
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Kinda caught up, great thread, the humor is most appreciated. I almost attempted to grab a series of quotes, but then I would have been the annoying guy with a huge post that may have made everyone cringe.
It's funny how we all have different issues and problems. I'm having a problem trying to type on my fucking phone right now! In a way I (right now auto-correct and fingers are RUINING my sentence) envy those who have space to keep genetics around. My spot is so small to do anything groovy. Kinda like living paycheck to paycheck in my weed world, no chance for saving.
I was interested in the breeding chat earlier. I need seeds and recently thought about polinating at random just for reserves. Then I'll name those strains shit-can-huckleberry-dindong, something like that.
I haven't been here exceptionally long, but I also have noticed the 420 here one day and gone the next exodus. Since I use my phone I'm not around a lot. Trying to read all the journals I am subbed to is a task I never finish. I may be around here more often, I like the humor. I am also a asshole and dickbead (left that one, tried changing the d to h a few times and gave up) at times. Phone is killing me. Out for now!
It's funny how we all have different issues and problems. I'm having a problem trying to type on my fucking phone right now! In a way I (right now auto-correct and fingers are RUINING my sentence) envy those who have space to keep genetics around. My spot is so small to do anything groovy. Kinda like living paycheck to paycheck in my weed world, no chance for saving.
I was interested in the breeding chat earlier. I need seeds and recently thought about polinating at random just for reserves. Then I'll name those strains shit-can-huckleberry-dindong, something like that.
I haven't been here exceptionally long, but I also have noticed the 420 here one day and gone the next exodus. Since I use my phone I'm not around a lot. Trying to read all the journals I am subbed to is a task I never finish. I may be around here more often, I like the humor. I am also a asshole and dickbead (left that one, tried changing the d to h a few times and gave up) at times. Phone is killing me. Out for now!
Jgrowlove
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Hey weasel. Have u had any experience with cannapot. Do they ship in original breeders packs?
Autocorrect can be a beast sometimes, eh? Lol! The programmers had a challenging time with profanity and anything cannabis, and that messes mightily with our world. Your personality will fit in nicely in this room. Weaselcracker won't mind me sticking my nose in while he sleeps (you do sleep on occassion, don't you Weaselcracker?). We're all family around here.
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I haven't ordered from them but my general perception is they they're decent. They've been around quite a few years and do have a bunch of sativa strains, which makes me biased in their favour I suppose.
About six months ago I bumped into couple people who bought their last few packs of Dr Grinspoon, long after it was unavailable anywhere else. Those ones were in the original Barneys Farm packaging, yes.
Other than that and that they're now a sponsor- I don't know much about them. Having a seedbank as a 420 sponsor is handy though- gives a little backup here if they try any trickses.
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Gaffe, thanks and feel free to ramble away here whenever you want. That's the stuff I like. Things have been a little quiet around here since I've been busy away from the grow trying to wrap up some other aspects of my life. Almost free...
If I get my hands on a decent camera I'll be able to post interesting stuff more often. Any photos taken in the flowering room on my phonecamera tend to be washed out looking crap, so that's really limiting.
Lots of stuff I want to do though when I get some more time. The CBD Therapy and a Cheese plant are up for harvest in the next week or two, then the hex plants will go down after that.
After that I'm putting away the hexapus for a while to make more room for other stuff like at least one of the grafted plants. I also want to try making a couple versions of skin salves. One from the cbd Therapy and also a sativa one (if that makes any sense I don't know). I've been vaping uncured samples of the Therapy plant, and other than an extremely mild indica high I can't say I notice any pain relief. But I'll leave it to flower as late as I can in the hopes that this will change. Or if nothing else maybe it will make me sleepy.
Also the possibility that I need to mix it with some higher thc bud to make it work better. Or something. ?????
If I get my hands on a decent camera I'll be able to post interesting stuff more often. Any photos taken in the flowering room on my phonecamera tend to be washed out looking crap, so that's really limiting.
Lots of stuff I want to do though when I get some more time. The CBD Therapy and a Cheese plant are up for harvest in the next week or two, then the hex plants will go down after that.
After that I'm putting away the hexapus for a while to make more room for other stuff like at least one of the grafted plants. I also want to try making a couple versions of skin salves. One from the cbd Therapy and also a sativa one (if that makes any sense I don't know). I've been vaping uncured samples of the Therapy plant, and other than an extremely mild indica high I can't say I notice any pain relief. But I'll leave it to flower as late as I can in the hopes that this will change. Or if nothing else maybe it will make me sleepy.
Also the possibility that I need to mix it with some higher thc bud to make it work better. Or something. ?????
bobsacamano
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hey jgrow. hope weasely doesn't mind me jumping in here to answer...but that was me (one of 'em anyway) to whom? who? he referred in his reply. i CANNOT say enough good things about cannapot. not only do they have their seedbank shit together, extremely, but they are SO NICE. and they were voluntarily nice, not responsively nice, which is kinda different imo.
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Those kind are the only ones I like to deal with. It's the other ones that are 'different' IMO.
For a topical it's recommended to go with high THC. You'd think the CBD would be a good idea, and it is, as long as the THC levels are high. For vaping pain relief you might want more THC as well, to bring the ratios closer to balance, then toggle up the THC until it works for you. Somewhere in there is your personal sweet spot.
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Ok so I have dumb questions, and will probably have even dumber questions when I start doing it.
Does high thc skin cream get a person high? I would think yes at least a little bit, since skin absorbs things very well. I've gotten mildly high quite a few times when trimming indicas without gloves - I didn't smoke anything. I haven't been 100% sure about the source of the high but figure it's from skin contact.
It isn't always very convenient having that bit of indica buzz since I don't really like indica that much.
If so I wonder if a strong sativa in the cream might be more to my liking. Maybe mixed with some of the (allegedly) high cbd bud?
Does high thc skin cream get a person high? I would think yes at least a little bit, since skin absorbs things very well. I've gotten mildly high quite a few times when trimming indicas without gloves - I didn't smoke anything. I haven't been 100% sure about the source of the high but figure it's from skin contact.
It isn't always very convenient having that bit of indica buzz since I don't really like indica that much.
If so I wonder if a strong sativa in the cream might be more to my liking. Maybe mixed with some of the (allegedly) high cbd bud?
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~GRAFTING~
I thought I'd try and show better how I did those grafts, in case someone is bored and wants to try this weird method sometime.
You need- a sharp razor, a few pipe cleaners or whatever you like to tie plants with, and something to wrap the finished splice with- tape/string/thread/another pipe cleaner (?)
After my first attempts back a couple years ago or whenever the f it was, I realized that the biggest favour you can do yourself is to prepare things properly before you do any cutting. By which I mostly mean lining up the graft branches and getting them tied together to take any pressure off.
What you're trying to do, to start, is to take the two stems and get them close together and parallel with each other. You don't want to be doing that at the same time as you do the cuttting or it will be a nightmare. You want to do it first, and get them roughly aligned and fastened close to each other so that there isn't pressure pulling the grafts apart. Also slash off any problem foliage or branches in the area if they're in your way.
Pull the two plant's pots close to each other, and position them so that two likely branches are as close to each other as possible. Sometimes you have to put the branches through some contortions to make them lie parallel, and you might have to supercrop one or both of them to get them bent, lined up and positioned the way you want.
Stems 1/8" thick or thicker are what I've been using. Thinner is difficult. Not sure about thicker
.
After I've got them in position, I tie them together with a scrap of pipe cleaner, below where I want to make the graft.
Take a sharp razor blade and cut the stems about 50-75% of the way through with a sharp razor, in opposing directions as in the pics.
If you want to get fancy you can make the cuts slightly staggered or offset, such that they will be pulling together slightly under pressure after you interlock them.
Careful doing that cut- once you get past the middle of the stem it's pretty easy to have the knife keep going right on through. I found it easier (slower and more controlled) to do it by sawing back and forth with the razor. Otherwise... danger awaits.
I've tried shaving the outsides parts of the stems in these splices - the rounded part- but I'm not sure it makes any difference. The part that will form the main graft is the where the two flat surfaces meet- not so much the other surfaces involved. That's the area where the stem tissues line up- the part the arrow travels through in the picture below.
Here is what I mean-
If you know which strain you are using as the rootstock, then it's important to make the cut so that it angles downwards toward the base of the rootstock plant. For example- in these photos the plant on the left should be the rootstock, and the one on the right will eventually be cut free -just below the graft splice.
If you do it the other way around then you're going to have a very weird looking graft (like I do on one of my plants
)
I slide them into place then fasten the stems together above the splice with another scrap of pipe cleaner.
At this point you've pretty much done it.
Because you have the stems fastened together with pipe cleaners- they're taking the pressure and you have both hands free to finish up, without having to go through the highly stressful 'I need more hands' panic attack.
The first few grafts that I tried, I wrapped completely with pipe cleaners. This actually worked, but the later attempts were wrapped with some plastic ribbon- which worked better and did a much cleaner job.
I think something like thread would work ok, to finish the splice and get it pressed tightly together. Or tape. Lots of things could probably work...
Now I have some grafting tape I ordered on the internet. It's a bit like a small roll of saran wrap. So I put a couple wraps of that on.
The grafts in the plants I'm vegging now stayed wrapped for about ten days before I removed the bandaids.
When I did those grafts I put the veg lights on 24 hours while they were healing, to give them a little extra help because it was middle of the winter and very cold outside. Probably not necessary now.
A similar graft after it's grown together a bit.
That's about it. I think.
I thought I'd try and show better how I did those grafts, in case someone is bored and wants to try this weird method sometime.
You need- a sharp razor, a few pipe cleaners or whatever you like to tie plants with, and something to wrap the finished splice with- tape/string/thread/another pipe cleaner (?)
After my first attempts back a couple years ago or whenever the f it was, I realized that the biggest favour you can do yourself is to prepare things properly before you do any cutting. By which I mostly mean lining up the graft branches and getting them tied together to take any pressure off.
What you're trying to do, to start, is to take the two stems and get them close together and parallel with each other. You don't want to be doing that at the same time as you do the cuttting or it will be a nightmare. You want to do it first, and get them roughly aligned and fastened close to each other so that there isn't pressure pulling the grafts apart. Also slash off any problem foliage or branches in the area if they're in your way.
Pull the two plant's pots close to each other, and position them so that two likely branches are as close to each other as possible. Sometimes you have to put the branches through some contortions to make them lie parallel, and you might have to supercrop one or both of them to get them bent, lined up and positioned the way you want.
Stems 1/8" thick or thicker are what I've been using. Thinner is difficult. Not sure about thicker
.
After I've got them in position, I tie them together with a scrap of pipe cleaner, below where I want to make the graft.
Take a sharp razor blade and cut the stems about 50-75% of the way through with a sharp razor, in opposing directions as in the pics.
If you want to get fancy you can make the cuts slightly staggered or offset, such that they will be pulling together slightly under pressure after you interlock them.
Careful doing that cut- once you get past the middle of the stem it's pretty easy to have the knife keep going right on through. I found it easier (slower and more controlled) to do it by sawing back and forth with the razor. Otherwise... danger awaits.
I've tried shaving the outsides parts of the stems in these splices - the rounded part- but I'm not sure it makes any difference. The part that will form the main graft is the where the two flat surfaces meet- not so much the other surfaces involved. That's the area where the stem tissues line up- the part the arrow travels through in the picture below.
Here is what I mean-
If you know which strain you are using as the rootstock, then it's important to make the cut so that it angles downwards toward the base of the rootstock plant. For example- in these photos the plant on the left should be the rootstock, and the one on the right will eventually be cut free -just below the graft splice.
If you do it the other way around then you're going to have a very weird looking graft (like I do on one of my plants
)
I slide them into place then fasten the stems together above the splice with another scrap of pipe cleaner.
At this point you've pretty much done it.
Because you have the stems fastened together with pipe cleaners- they're taking the pressure and you have both hands free to finish up, without having to go through the highly stressful 'I need more hands' panic attack.
The first few grafts that I tried, I wrapped completely with pipe cleaners. This actually worked, but the later attempts were wrapped with some plastic ribbon- which worked better and did a much cleaner job.
I think something like thread would work ok, to finish the splice and get it pressed tightly together. Or tape. Lots of things could probably work...
Now I have some grafting tape I ordered on the internet. It's a bit like a small roll of saran wrap. So I put a couple wraps of that on.
The grafts in the plants I'm vegging now stayed wrapped for about ten days before I removed the bandaids.
When I did those grafts I put the veg lights on 24 hours while they were healing, to give them a little extra help because it was middle of the winter and very cold outside. Probably not necessary now.
A similar graft after it's grown together a bit.
That's about it. I think.
Skybound
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I bet teflon tape would work really good. it's for wrapping threads in a plumbing application, but has no glue on it, and it's stretchable. Thanks for the lesson WC!
electro gypsy
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Theoretically, one dispense get the penetration through the skin with topicals that allows THC to get into the bloodstream. Cannafan once tested this theory with her father, I believe it was, and none showed in his blood tests. I'd verify that with her, but in the study hall we work under the assumption that topicals won't make you high, unless you use something like the gypsy suggests, but it's such a powerful concoction that we hesitate in that room to incorporate it into our own topicals.
I understand how you get a mild buzz when trimming, and my theory is your getting terpenes from the trim that're reacting with stored THC in the body. I have no way to prove this theory of mine, but the terpenes are much more active in the mix than we give them credit for.
Magnus8 has a topicals study hall running. Before I tried to make any topicals I'd head over there and do some reading and questioning. Magnus has a quarter century's experience at producing soaps and creams and lotions. He believes a lotion is what most of us are really looking for, but we got lost in the simplicity of creams. Check him out some quiet afternoon.
Yeah..... I heard myself say that about quiet afternoons too.
bobsacamano
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i have used teflon tape combined with first aid tape (brand info: 3M micropore tape, pricier but worth it for this stuff) to fix LSTing mishaps to great effect.
that teflon tape is great bc, as Skybound sez, is both NOT ADHESIVE and VERY STRETCHY.
what i have done that works best (tried each by themselves, first aid tape too adhesive, teflon tape needs too many wraps around to get it to "stick" to itself, fine for pipes, not so much living things that break easily) is (1) cut the needed length of the 3M first aid tape then (2) cut a slightly narrower and shorter length of the teflon tape then (3) center the smaller teflon tape "inside" the first aid tape so that (4) result is adhesive sides and ends (1st aid tape) AND not adhesive but stretchy inside only (teflon tape). i hope that makes sense. it expands if the plant does but usually the wound is healed by the time things get to that point. boy tho does that little procedure make removal a breeze compared to either by themselves or other stuff i have used. i actually made one worse with the first aid tape alone
....went from a slight tear to a complete break trying to tape it up 
weaseley, friend,, stick it up yer azz
i mean it
that joint i mean,,
according to health canada,, i think i read correctly, the best way to introduce cannabinoids into ones system is through the anus. i have read this before on this site but now the government confirms it
now our government is telling it's citizens to stick it
anyhoo,, i gots a pic fer ya,, this'n goes right back to the very first pics i have posted on 420mag. reason being,,
the sandy plant,, i wanted to show you, at least, what the genetics look like at least. this was the very first plant i had grown,, these are clones i had taken off the plant i had outdoors,, least that is my recollection, i think anyway
it is a sad pic of a sad plant but mix this plant with super lemon haze and wow,, nice indeed,,
this is a pic of a clone of that one above
i mean it
that joint i mean,,
according to health canada,, i think i read correctly, the best way to introduce cannabinoids into ones system is through the anus. i have read this before on this site but now the government confirms it
now our government is telling it's citizens to stick it
anyhoo,, i gots a pic fer ya,, this'n goes right back to the very first pics i have posted on 420mag. reason being,,
the sandy plant,, i wanted to show you, at least, what the genetics look like at least. this was the very first plant i had grown,, these are clones i had taken off the plant i had outdoors,, least that is my recollection, i think anyway
it is a sad pic of a sad plant but mix this plant with super lemon haze and wow,, nice indeed,,
this is a pic of a clone of that one above
HiddenGrow
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~GRAFTING~
I thought I'd try and show better how I did those grafts, in case someone is bored and wants to try this weird method sometime.
You need- a sharp razor, a few pipe cleaners or whatever you like to tie plants with, and something to wrap the finished splice with- tape/string/thread/another pipe cleaner (?)
After my first attempts back a couple years ago or whenever the f it was, I realized that the biggest favour you can do yourself is to prepare things properly before you do any cutting. By which I mostly mean lining up the graft branches and getting them tied together to take any pressure off.
What you're trying to do, to start, is to take the two stems and get them close together and parallel with each other. You don't want to be doing that at the same time as you do the cuttting or it will be a nightmare. You want to do it first, and get them roughly aligned and fastened close to each other so that there isn't pressure pulling the grafts apart. Also slash off any problem foliage or branches in the area if they're in your way.
Pull the two plant's pots close to each other, and position them so that two likely branches are as close to each other as possible. Sometimes you have to put the branches through some contortions to make them lie parallel, and you might have to supercrop one or both of them to get them bent, lined up and positioned the way you want.
Stems 1/8" thick or thicker are what I've been using. Thinner is difficult. Not sure about thicker
After I've got them in position, I tie them together with a scrap of pipe cleaner, below where I want to make the graft.
Take a sharp razor blade and cut the stems about 50-75% of the way through with a sharp razor, in opposing directions as in the pics.
If you want to get fancy you can make the cuts slightly staggered or offset, such that they will be pulling together slightly under pressure after you interlock them.
Careful doing that cut- once you get past the middle of the stem it's pretty easy to have the knife keep going right on through. I found it easier (slower and more controlled) to do it by sawing back and forth with the razor. Otherwise... danger awaits.
I've tried shaving the outsides parts of the stems in these splices - the rounded part- but I'm not sure it makes any difference. The part that will form the main graft is the where the two flat surfaces meet- not so much the other surfaces involved. That's the area where the stem tissues line up- the part the arrow travels through in the picture below.
Here is what I mean-
If you know which strain you are using as the rootstock, then it's important to make the cut so that it angles downwards toward the base of the rootstock plant. For example- in these photos the plant on the left should be the rootstock, and the one on the right will eventually be cut free -just below the graft splice.
If you do it the other way around then you're going to have a very weird looking graft (like I do on one of my plants
I slide them into place then fasten the stems together above the splice with another scrap of pipe cleaner.
At this point you've pretty much done it.
Because you have the stems fastened together with pipe cleaners- they're taking the pressure and you have both hands free to finish up, without having to go through the highly stressful 'I need more hands' panic attack.
The first few grafts that I tried, I wrapped completely with pipe cleaners. This actually worked, but the later attempts were wrapped with some plastic ribbon- which worked better and did a much cleaner job.
I think something like thread would work ok, to finish the splice and get it pressed tightly together. Or tape. Lots of things could probably work...
Now I have some grafting tape I ordered on the internet. It's a bit like a small roll of saran wrap. So I put a couple wraps of that on.
The grafts in the plants I'm vegging now stayed wrapped for about ten days before I removed the bandaids.
When I did those grafts I put the veg lights on 24 hours while they were healing, to give them a little extra help because it was middle of the winter and very cold outside. Probably not necessary now.
A similar graft after it's grown together a bit.
That's about it. I think.
Thank you for the info, do you let the graft heal before cutting the scion or do you cut it once you tape them up? I'm glad I caught up
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Now I just have to try and catch up with the journal myself...
HiddenGrow- I cut it free after the graft has healed/bonded together, which, in the past, was after about ten days. Actually I'm sure I could cut it free sooner, but didn't see any advantage in being impatient.
The secret to this technique is that both plants are still alive throughout the grafting process, which means juices are still flowing through both stems, and that provides a more forgiving situation than the traditional way of grafting. The normal grafting methods seem to require humidity domes and frequent misting, etc.
Fancy frills that I don't have time to provide since I'm only there part-time.
HiddenGrow- I cut it free after the graft has healed/bonded together, which, in the past, was after about ten days. Actually I'm sure I could cut it free sooner, but didn't see any advantage in being impatient.
The secret to this technique is that both plants are still alive throughout the grafting process, which means juices are still flowing through both stems, and that provides a more forgiving situation than the traditional way of grafting. The normal grafting methods seem to require humidity domes and frequent misting, etc.
Fancy frills that I don't have time to provide since I'm only there part-time.
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Alright.. where to start... it was another busy day, as usual. 'Quiet afternoon' ha ha. Good one Sue.
I googled DMSO. Thanks Electro. I don't have time to dig too deep but it was really interesting and I also read someone talking about how ibuprofen is absorbed through the skin and works far more effectively that way than orally. They crush it or liquefy it somehow and rub it in for arthritis. The whole thing is a really inviting tangent that was calling me. The topical/pain conversation looks so huge, and I'm so completely ignorant, that I won't have time to get into it at the moment, so I'm going to have to just cram that area of study onto the shelf for now, with the rest of them. Teetering and ready to fall off again.
I'll think about this more when the CBD Therapy plant is done. It's a weird one. Grew like stink, big and strong and healthy. Then produced some of the tiniest buds I've ever grown. I think it's the pheno because I don't think I screwed it up that badly. Hopefully it's not about the size though.
I googled DMSO. Thanks Electro. I don't have time to dig too deep but it was really interesting and I also read someone talking about how ibuprofen is absorbed through the skin and works far more effectively that way than orally. They crush it or liquefy it somehow and rub it in for arthritis. The whole thing is a really inviting tangent that was calling me. The topical/pain conversation looks so huge, and I'm so completely ignorant, that I won't have time to get into it at the moment, so I'm going to have to just cram that area of study onto the shelf for now, with the rest of them. Teetering and ready to fall off again.
I'll think about this more when the CBD Therapy plant is done. It's a weird one. Grew like stink, big and strong and healthy. Then produced some of the tiniest buds I've ever grown. I think it's the pheno because I don't think I screwed it up that badly. Hopefully it's not about the size though.
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Teflon tape. I have some around since I use it on propane lines sometimes. It's similar to the stretchy ribbon I used on the last grafts- and I think it would work well. I think maybe this grafting tape is supposed to be breathable. I'm not sure- this was a Chinese knockoff and didn't come with any literature. The real stuff came in massive rolls when I looked for it- and this kind didn't.
The ribbon I used last time, (and teflon tape would be the same)- obviously isn't breathable, and I could see that the graft was festering a tiny bit, like a bandaid that stayed on too long. But it wasn't a real problem in a ten day timeframe.
I may also try cutting the end off a roll of saran wrap- to see if it works well.
In any case, it's not critical. You can almost wrap the splice with any old thing and it would work.
The ribbon I used last time, (and teflon tape would be the same)- obviously isn't breathable, and I could see that the graft was festering a tiny bit, like a bandaid that stayed on too long. But it wasn't a real problem in a ten day timeframe.
I may also try cutting the end off a roll of saran wrap- to see if it works well.
In any case, it's not critical. You can almost wrap the splice with any old thing and it would work.