Weasel Forges Ahead

[SweetSue]

I've sometimes wondered if adding UV to one's grow mix would have any impact on bud rot.
They use it in hospitals and other public places to kill other growing things.

There was a time when Dale was hospitalized that the head of housekeeping stopped in to visit. In conversation he shared with us his excitement over their latest piece of equipment, a light that would be placed in a locked room to blast the hell out of the nasty microbes like C-diff. He actually brought it into Dale's room to show it off.

Think of the possibilities. You may be on to something Tead.

Weaselcracker, that field of bud and green is breathtaking. I had to pull myself away. Boooo on the bud rot, but kuddos on the sharp eye. The universe watches out for you too. This is a risk I try to diminish, but my primary approach has been to limit the number of plants. The hungry cultivator in me is never completely happy with that. I suspect I'm not the only one of us who'd like to figure out how to harvest at least one plant a week. Tead's coming closest to the dream.

 

[Weaselcracker]

I read that 'one plant a week' comment on Tead's. Sounds nice. Made me wonder why I'm not harvesting one plant a week. I think sometime next month I might be, for a little while. Till I'm not again.
Actually it feels like I haven't harvested much since I started this journal.
The whole operation is too organic/disorganized for that. I keep thinking I'm going to stare hard at my veg room plants and somehow see the future of the next few month's flowering schedules all laid out, but I never do.
I think I could though (?) Maybe I just need to go in with a piece of paper and a calculator and try to lay it all out - how many plants I need in veg vs how much time in flower.
Really- it's having too many different strains, especially new strains, that is the killer. Totally throws a kink into any sort of system. And I never had a system to begin with.

 

[nivek]

i hear y'all,, loud and clear. the one plant a week perpetual dream. by that i mean the dream is perpetual,, about all i can muster right now

couple things i have figured out in regards to running a smooth perpetual routine.

first off, it's impossible,, haha,, well, nearly tho,, because, if one was to grow the same exact plant (s) over and over, same strain, same everything,, then perhaps perfectly predictable perpetual production is possibly possible

but i know at least that i do not do that. i grow at least three strains continuously and play around with a couple more.

each strain has it's own agenda,, and flowering time especially,, varying from seven to thirteen weeks, so there is constant overlap in the flower room making scheduling perfectly , well, poo poo

plus, there are the unpredictables,, can't forget them dern things,, like hermies needing to be removed creating open spaces at times,, also some times i run my eight week plants for nine or seven weeks, and i have had to remove plants for bugs as well

other reasons crimping a smooth system as well, but i forget

so i try to keep an extra vegging plant around or i go with an empty flower space for a while at times,, but i am starting to figure out how to keep it relatively smooth,, a bit like rough silk

as for, weaseley, you mentioned keeping track of whats growing and what is needed for the future,, i think i have finally figured out a system that works for me, after several failed attempts

i have seven spots in my flower room, so the plant in each of the seven spots has a nickname (mastik for eg), that is the leftest column of letters,,

the next column of numbers is how long the plant has been in flower, no guess work here

the next column of numbers to the right is the predicted time left in the flower room,, for plants that i have grown before such as a blueberry, this is not guess work either,, for unknown strains longer predictions are better than shorter ones

finally, the rightest column is the nick of the plant that will be taking the place of this plant when harvested

this system really does let me see into the future with some degree of accuracy, and works quite well, for me

as for unpredictables, well, nuttin can be prepared for for them things, so i try to have an extra plant available to put to flower, if i can

 

[Tead]

I keep thinking I'm going to stare hard at my veg room plants and somehow see the future of the next few month's flowering schedules all laid out, but I never do.

I feel ya. For me, it was really not much planning... more just keeping the clones and seeds going... the rest fills up from there. I think I might even be near a point of discarding some of the numerous clones just to keep a handle on the numbers.
Plus, the feeding routine really makes it so easy. Doing this with liquid nutes seems like just too damn much work.

 

[SweetSue]

I read that 'one plant a week' comment on Tead's. Sounds nice. Made me wonder why I'm not harvesting one plant a week. I think sometime next month I might be, for a little while. Till I'm not again.
Actually it feels like I haven't harvested much since I started this journal.
The whole operation is too organic/disorganized for that. I keep thinking I'm going to stare hard at my veg room plants and somehow see the future of the next few month's flowering schedules all laid out, but I never do.
I think I could though (?) Maybe I just need to go in with a piece of paper and a calculator and try to lay it all out - how many plants I need in veg vs how much time in flower.
Really- it's having too many different strains, especially new strains, that is the killer. Totally throws a kink into any sort of system. And I never had a system to begin with.

Yeah..... I took the time to do just that this afternoon, trying to find the flow. I may have figured it out.

At least I have a better idea of how I'll manage what I have going now. Timing the clones is my biggest challenge in a limited space. I was planning to do that part under the CFLs, but Dan spoiled me and I'm not happy with them anymore.

 

[SweetSue]

i hear y'all,, loud and clear. the one plant a week perpetual dream. by that i mean the dream is perpetual,, about all i can muster right now

couple things i have figured out in regards to running a smooth perpetual routine.

first off, it's impossible,, haha,, well, nearly tho,, because, if one was to grow the same exact plant (s) over and over, same strain, same everything,, then perhaps perfectly predictable perpetual production is possibly possible

but i know at least that i do not do that. i grow at least three strains continuously and play around with a couple more.

each strain has it's own agenda,, and flowering time especially,, varying from seven to thirteen weeks, so there is constant overlap in the flower room making scheduling perfectly , well, poo poo

plus, there are the unpredictables,, can't forget them dern things,, like hermies needing to be removed creating open spaces at times,, also some times i run my eight week plants for nine or seven weeks, and i have had to remove plants for bugs as well

other reasons crimping a smooth system as well, but i forget

so i try to keep an extra vegging plant around or i go with an empty flower space for a while at times,, but i am starting to figure out how to keep it relatively smooth,, a bit like rough silk

as for, weaseley, you mentioned keeping track of whats growing and what is needed for the future,, i think i have finally figured out a system that works for me, after several failed attempts

i have seven spots in my flower room, so the plant in each of the seven spots has a nickname (mastik for eg), that is the leftest column of letters,,

the next column of numbers is how long the plant has been in flower, no guess work here

the next column of numbers to the right is the predicted time left in the flower room,, for plants that i have grown before such as a blueberry, this is not guess work either,, for unknown strains longer predictions are better than shorter ones

finally, the rightest column is the nick of the plant that will be taking the place of this plant when harvested

this system really does let me see into the future with some degree of accuracy, and works quite well, for me

as for unpredictables, well, nuttin can be prepared for for them things, so i try to have an extra plant available to put to flower, if i can

My challenge is that I have such little space in the flowering space, which also accomodates the autos, so space is extremely limited, although I'm still learning the limitations of the new lights. They may change the game entirely.

I really like the system you developed nivek. I was particularly appreciative of the inclusion of the name of the plant following. This is the tricky part for me, with so much going on. I also run three strains continuiously with extras fitting in as can be accommodated. With two plants being autos the schedule has to be a little more flexible.

I think I'm gonna rework my bookkeeping to include your system. Sooner or later I'm gonna get this figured out.

 

[Twox]

Wish I was that organized.... longer running strains always always mess up my timming and i end up cutting early because my veg plants start out growing there space. I run a 2x4 for veg and it gets packed sometimes..

 

[SweetSue]

Wish I was that organized.... longer running strains always always mess up my timming and i end up cutting early because my veg plants start out growing there space. I run a 2x4 for veg and it gets packed sometimes..

Don't be misled Twox. All that time planning and getting a feel for the flow goes right out the window when life interferes and plants refuse to fit into our neatly drawn plans. It's a game we play with ourselves, to pretend we have some control over the grows. Lol!

 

[Weaselcracker]

No kidding. Just potted some cuttings and now my veg room is absolutely crammed to the gills with small plants in one gallon pots. Scary looking at it. Small plants have a way of getting bigger. And since I'm already full now...

 

[Gauge Steel]

thats a lot of figuring ya'all doin' . Damn my hairs on fire and I am just one day at a time.

Big respect.

Guage

 

[Tead]

Don't be misled Twox. All that time planning and getting a feel for the flow goes right out the window when life interferes and plants refuse to fit into our neatly drawn plans. It's a game we play with ourselves, to pretend we have some control over the grows. Lol!

...but it sure is nice when you got the wave timing down and all you're doin is surfin the swells baby!

 

[nivek]

I really like the system you developed nivek. I was particularly appreciative of the inclusion of the name of the plant following.

I think I'm gonna rework my bookkeeping to include your system. Sooner or later I'm gonna get this figured out.

cheers sue,, the inclusion of the plants to replace with is the future part. all of the columns pertain to the flower room, except the rightest one,, that is the veg room plants, where all the confusion arises, imo.

this listing tells me everything that will be needed for flower well before i even need to start preparing the plant.

as can be seen in the pic, the rightest list has only three nicks listed,, that's cuz the next flower room plant in the list upward has still sixty odd days of flowering left,, and my veg plants only veg for about fifty days, so i have all that time to prepare for the next plant in line

with hermies and unexpecteds i regularly need to adjust the list which i can do each week. and i adjust the third row from the left to be always descending,, those are the harvest dates

 

[nivek]

Wish I was that organized.... longer running strains always always mess up my timming and i end up cutting early because my veg plants start out growing there space. I run a 2x4 for veg and it gets packed sometimes..

yep, i hear ya. the unexpecteds get me into that situation often, least used to. as i get closer to getting the timing down, i am able to allow my plants to ripen fully,, this is only very recent for me,, and sweetsues info on harvest times for indicas vs sativas , the difference between the two,, as in harvest indicas sooner and sativas later,, this system gives me, or is starting to give me the flexibility to do this,, thanks sue

as in, i can pick and choose my harvest dates based on details at the last days

but my veg room is small, and because of my off schedule i will have four plants nearing ready for flower at the same time soon,, my veg room will be stuffed to overflowing, so i am working on a solution somewhat, sorta, kinda

 

[SweetSue]

yep, i hear ya. the unexpecteds get me into that situation often, least used to. as i get closer to getting the timing down, i am able to allow my plants to ripen fully,, this is only very recent for me,, and sweetsues info on harvest times for indicas vs sativas , the difference between the two,, as in harvest indicas sooner and sativas later,, this system gives me, or is starting to give me the flexibility to do this,, thanks sue

as in, i can pick and choose my harvest dates based on details at the last days

but my veg room is small, and because of my off schedule i will have four plants nearing ready for flower at the same time soon,, my veg room will be stuffed to overflowing, so i am working on a solution somewhat, sorta, kinda

I face this same space dilemma nivek, and the prospect of overcrowding the veg area, which in my case doubles as the home for my autos. I should consider another space under more lights to get the autos on their own.... Sorry, still working out the limitations and making it fit my dreams.

Have you considered working the plants you have in veg but can't yet move into flower as bonsais? Bonsai Mothers This idea keeps floating across my mind these days as I look at all these plants competing for the light. My tents are only 2x2 each. Crowding them leads to unexpected visitors.

 

[nivek]

Have you considered working the plants you have in veg but can't yet move into flower as bonsais? Bonsai Mothers .

sheesh, i swear you have a video/audio link in me studio.

i have considered that, indeed, the bonzai mothers, i have. as a matter of fact,, that is what i have in my labooratoory right this very minute,, i have three of my favorite strains, small plants in half gallon pots, that i am using as micro mothers. this project is very current as i have just got the last strain planted into it's half gallon pot.

the best point about this idea, so far, is that iffin i encounter an 'unexpected',, grrrr, i can quickly, within a week or so, turn the mother plant into a plant to be put to flower,, and as a matter of fact i am doing that very thing right now, putting one of the mothers into the flower room, because of,, yep,, an unexpected,, a cheese cross i had in flower went hermie on me,, my fault for trusting the darn seed anyway

btw,, my three fav strains at the moment are, blueberry,, mama thai/thai stick,,,, and og kush

thanks sue,, you never stop being interesting, indeed,, salude

 

[Weaselcracker]

Thanks for all the info guys- I've been sort of too busy to be around. I'm going to study more on these ideas of planning the future in the perpetual. I have a feeling it's just a part of my brain I haven't properly exercised yet. Planning the future never was my strong point.
I wonder if a grafted mother might work well for you Nivek. I haven't used mine for cuttings yet, but it really is a bonus having several strains on one plant. I know that, anytime I want to, I can ditch the other vegging examples of those three strains, and I still have all three available to me in the one pot.

 

[nivek]

well weaseley, i might just need a laboorattory project in the near future. the dwc venture was the last one and that is over, so, maybe grafting is the next project.

no question about the logic of the idea, for sure,, would be the ultimate solution,

got me thinking, indeed,,

ouch

need medicine,,

 

[BossGardens]

I'm subbed,
Previous name in here was high 420kwats, you stopped by in the review I did some time ago. I need to set up another group of girls. I will miss my Church tho. I need to decide what line-up I'm going to put together. I'm looking forward to catching up.

 

[Tead]

Planning the future never was my strong point.

Ya know... I've learned over the years that problems I can't wrap my head around often don't need my head wrapped around them to start resolving them. Once one digs into the issue, the problems and solutions pop up along the way.
So.... quit tapping your foot to the music, grab a Betty and dance baby! Get your seed/clones started on the schedule you want to harvest and walk them thru the issues. If you want to harvest weekly, step1 is to plant weekly.
I gots the dance floor warmed up for ya.... take a spin!

 

[Weaselcracker]

Tead it's funny- I'm pretty sure I just haven't properly focussed on the space management thing. It's not like I haven't dealt with the issue lots before- I've had lots of fun and games in the last few years juggling things- but it hasn't been a huge problem generally.
It's gotten much more problematic in the last few months and i know it directly relates to the number of strains I've got running. This is the most I've had. They seem to be way easier to get started growing than to get rid of, and chaos threatens to take over.
But at the same time I still feel there's some muscle in my brain I'm just not exercising yet, re this management business. I'm used to just winging it. So 'when I get time' (next week?) I'm going to stare at the situation further and see if I can add some actual planning to the winging.

Welcome along BossGardens. Always nice to see new names pop up here.

Nivek, I'll be doing some more grafting soon and I'll do a better job of posting about it this time. The way I'm doing is probably a pretty oddball method- but it seems to have worked. Anyway- it's quite easy.
I'm just waiting for the GT cuttings to take, then I'll throw a couple of them into flowering to sex them. Clones of Honduras A and B are already in the flowering room as of last night. Assuming that I get girls of each, I'll graft the Panama, GT, Malawi, and Honduras into one.
The riskiest part of that may be the differing amounts of stretch between those strains in flower. But I'll cope with that if it happens.

As I mentioned, I've got a veg room chock-full of younglings now. All my clone cuttings rooted. Some are duplicates for another attempt at making seeds with CS. Some will be probably get thrown out.

Another Chocolate Mint OG clone.

One of the Honduras plants has rootlets for four inches up its stem. The other Honduras has narry a rootlet.

This is the larger of the two P Chunk x Mama Thai. The smaller one is the one I cut the mouldy bud off of. Last night I cut its other top bud off as well which turned out be also badly moulded inside.

PC and MT.

I made a cross of my two mouldiest strains! What was I thinking?
Anyway, the larger one seems mould free so far.