Weasel Forges Ahead
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Thanks Joey, welcome, and you're not late for anything. 
Simple and elegant in it's KISS beauty.
santb
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I agree! I was thinking of something like this for mine, but I wasn't smart enough to get as far as the gravity-lid! Chose a false floor as the fastest, and most space-saving in the end..
Been meaning to ask for a while: What are your reasons for SCROG over plain old LST? Plenty of proven reasons on the webs (and right here in your grow); but I'm curious about the major differences, cos I can't think of any!!! Is it just the total control of the level/length/"height" of the plants? Cos once the flowers start growing thru, it's the same ol' same ol', isn't it??
Don't get me wrong; I'm dying to try it at least once... It just seems like a lot of extra work, you know?? LST is a bit of mucking around too, but I can move individual plants etc., which I need to do. I guess those with more space might not need the mobility...
So please don't be offended.. I'm genuinely interested in YOUR thoughts on this specific subject!!
Sorry to put you on the spot!!!!
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The main/only reason I'm scrogging these days is to deal with the strains that refuse to do what I want them to do in flowering. I LSTd a couple pretty stretchy sativa strains in the past-held them with pipe cleaners into the shape I wanted through flowering. That works ok if you're around to keep tying them down all the time. But I find the scrog screen much handier when I'm in a hurry.
The screen is just something to tie to. That's all it is. So it's just a LST helper. Since I'm away for at least 5, and usually 6 days out of every 7- a screen is very useful to controlling stretch. And the individuals screens are fully mobile, if a little awkward.
But- I do prefer unscrogged as being more natural and pretty.
The actual main reason I'm scrogging some strains is that some of them- mainly the PC and the Critical Cheese, refuse to hold up the weight of their buds in flowering. They just droop towards the floor in a god-awful sticky mess. There seems to be nothing I can do to stop it, so I give them a screen to lay on.
The Malawi is also a bit like that, though less sticky. But I could maybe/possibly get away with doing a Malawi unscrogged.
I often scrog the Mama Thai as well- though it's not really a flopper.
Plants grown from seed untopped, or only topped once or twice, tend to have a stronger structure. But once they've been topped a few times and/or vegged long to get big and grow many bud sites-they seem to have a harder time keeping a rigid shape.
Or maybe it's something I'm doing wrong. I dunno. I've tried feeding them lots of silica. I still feed them silica. It makes stems wiry and strong- but not so much the buds don't flop over. I blast the hell out of them in veg with the fan.
You see my PC in the photo from last night. It's got nice strong wirey stems and looks healthy and perky. I was away a lot and let this one grow up through the screen a little high- basically I said screw it I'll just let it go. So the limbs are sticking up 12" above the screen. But I'll bet you anything that these stems will flop over once the buds get heavy. If I don't have a screen to catch them it would be a nightmare trying to figure out what to do with these drooping satanic glue-flowers from hell.
Hopefully the CMOG will not have this habit. I don't mind scrogging, and it does probably help yield a bit, and save me some time. The screen is easier and less time consuming than all the pissing around I have to do to make a large plant into a flat shape with pipe cleaners, with nothing much to tie to except itself and the pot.
But I still prefer not having that screen, in terms of overall prettiness.
* I think also - you're generally growing smaller plants than me. When they get into the ten gallon + range I find they get more difficult to control by simple LST. Too wide. And sometimes- too floppy.
The screen is just something to tie to. That's all it is. So it's just a LST helper. Since I'm away for at least 5, and usually 6 days out of every 7- a screen is very useful to controlling stretch. And the individuals screens are fully mobile, if a little awkward.
But- I do prefer unscrogged as being more natural and pretty.
The actual main reason I'm scrogging some strains is that some of them- mainly the PC and the Critical Cheese, refuse to hold up the weight of their buds in flowering. They just droop towards the floor in a god-awful sticky mess. There seems to be nothing I can do to stop it, so I give them a screen to lay on.
The Malawi is also a bit like that, though less sticky. But I could maybe/possibly get away with doing a Malawi unscrogged.
I often scrog the Mama Thai as well- though it's not really a flopper.
Plants grown from seed untopped, or only topped once or twice, tend to have a stronger structure. But once they've been topped a few times and/or vegged long to get big and grow many bud sites-they seem to have a harder time keeping a rigid shape.
Or maybe it's something I'm doing wrong. I dunno. I've tried feeding them lots of silica. I still feed them silica. It makes stems wiry and strong- but not so much the buds don't flop over. I blast the hell out of them in veg with the fan.
You see my PC in the photo from last night. It's got nice strong wirey stems and looks healthy and perky. I was away a lot and let this one grow up through the screen a little high- basically I said screw it I'll just let it go. So the limbs are sticking up 12" above the screen. But I'll bet you anything that these stems will flop over once the buds get heavy. If I don't have a screen to catch them it would be a nightmare trying to figure out what to do with these drooping satanic glue-flowers from hell.
Hopefully the CMOG will not have this habit. I don't mind scrogging, and it does probably help yield a bit, and save me some time. The screen is easier and less time consuming than all the pissing around I have to do to make a large plant into a flat shape with pipe cleaners, with nothing much to tie to except itself and the pot.
But I still prefer not having that screen, in terms of overall prettiness.
* I think also - you're generally growing smaller plants than me. When they get into the ten gallon + range I find they get more difficult to control by simple LST. Too wide. And sometimes- too floppy.
santb
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Cheers; that all made sense. The size thing didn't occur to me! And, of course; the control of some of your monsters would require a bit of help!
I guess I see scrogs with four or six plants to one screen an think: man, that's a lot to deal with..clearing undergrowth and dealing individual-plant issues. You doing your single-mobile scrogs has always interested me, and cos you have the space to move around in (theoretically; sometimes!) I kinda thought LST might be easier, but you "learned" to grow on scrogs, or whatever. Everyone's got their own ways.. Holding up up huge gangly limbs is as good a reason as any!
It's gotta be said (again), tho': Where you see big messy droopy mess, we see huge awesome pile of weed!! I mean, I know you do too; I just do not possess the patience to let mine get that big, even if I had the room!! So your mess is like; wow; I want do be able to do that!!
One day I might do a screen with 2 plants and fill the whole footprint of the cab. The time would be an issue, so it'll have to wait till I get a bit more stash... I'd love to crack 2 zips per plant one day. That's really my only grow related ambitions. Balance of training, topping, and veg time, I guess. If only I can get a little veg area going.. Putting them up near the little flouro is all well and good, and it means I can start seeds earlier (I'm embarrassed to say this only occurred to me for the first time a week ago when I started doing it with my autos), so I can get my next plants started a month before harvest of the current ones.. I'll get a bit more size with less weeks overall grow-wise..
This extra light time might also mean I can chuck 'em straight under a screen in the cab, assuming I start early enough or have a good enough second light. But I'm not too fussed on my need to open the cab during lights out to get the autos out. I'm careful, but sooner or later it'll bite me on the arse with a hermie or two. I can't do it forever.. Like everyone else these days, money is the key..
Thanks again..
If you haven't already, check out arellanobrian here on 420.. I haven't visited for a while, but he does a VERY nice scrog (but one example). Cool dude, too.. Likes his beer and smokables, in it for the fun, in Colorado, of course..
I guess I see scrogs with four or six plants to one screen an think: man, that's a lot to deal with..clearing undergrowth and dealing individual-plant issues. You doing your single-mobile scrogs has always interested me, and cos you have the space to move around in (theoretically; sometimes!) I kinda thought LST might be easier, but you "learned" to grow on scrogs, or whatever. Everyone's got their own ways.. Holding up up huge gangly limbs is as good a reason as any!
It's gotta be said (again), tho': Where you see big messy droopy mess, we see huge awesome pile of weed!! I mean, I know you do too; I just do not possess the patience to let mine get that big, even if I had the room!! So your mess is like; wow; I want do be able to do that!!
One day I might do a screen with 2 plants and fill the whole footprint of the cab. The time would be an issue, so it'll have to wait till I get a bit more stash... I'd love to crack 2 zips per plant one day. That's really my only grow related ambitions. Balance of training, topping, and veg time, I guess. If only I can get a little veg area going.. Putting them up near the little flouro is all well and good, and it means I can start seeds earlier (I'm embarrassed to say this only occurred to me for the first time a week ago when I started doing it with my autos), so I can get my next plants started a month before harvest of the current ones.. I'll get a bit more size with less weeks overall grow-wise..
This extra light time might also mean I can chuck 'em straight under a screen in the cab, assuming I start early enough or have a good enough second light. But I'm not too fussed on my need to open the cab during lights out to get the autos out. I'm careful, but sooner or later it'll bite me on the arse with a hermie or two. I can't do it forever.. Like everyone else these days, money is the key..
Thanks again..
If you haven't already, check out arellanobrian here on 420.. I haven't visited for a while, but he does a VERY nice scrog (but one example). Cool dude, too.. Likes his beer and smokables, in it for the fun, in Colorado, of course..
Damn PCs. It's such a love/hate thing.
It's not so bad if they stay smaller... but that's not the point of things after all.
I hang a couple of strategic support strings and just let the damn things flop.
Still tho... they hold a pretty solid place in my tight grow room... and that's sayin sumthin!
It's not so bad if they stay smaller... but that's not the point of things after all.
I hang a couple of strategic support strings and just let the damn things flop.
Still tho... they hold a pretty solid place in my tight grow room... and that's sayin sumthin!
Kriaze
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It's been awhile since I've visited Brian myself too, I'll have to see if he's still around or whether he ran away with that Mars Pro light they sent him. One thing that sprang to mind though is that bot Weasel and arellanobrian have mould issues which makes me wonder whether SCROG is actually conducive to that, what do you think, could SCROG's be particularly prone to that sort of thing? Thinking of Brian has go tme thinking of db003 now too, I suppose it's time I revisited some old haunts, thanks santb
bobsacamano
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now *this* is the kind of high quality writing i've come to expect from you, weasel. and....and... i've been meaning to say, SO SO glad you convinced me to come over here...SO MUCH BETTER.....
seriously, tho. i was in a pissy mood when i logged in and i just cracked the eff up reading that.
LEDBud
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I am going to go check back on your current plants but this is worth a mention !
Great improve for the back draft stopper it looks like it works real well
Great improve for the back draft stopper it looks like it works real well
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Thanks LEDBud. Glad someone liked that thing- I think I mostly posted it because I thought Tead would appreciate it. Then wondered after- wtf am I doing posting pics of my boring dirty air intake?
Thanks Bob. You're a great natural fit here and I look forward to seeing you around more -or seeing you start up a grow journal sometime?
To be honest it's a bit weird having so many people on this current journal and having to cope with so many compliments and whatnot. Fun- but I wouldn't want anyone to think I'm a master grower or know shit about anything much or that I'm turning into a stuck up twat because I have a bunch of people on my journal. The only thing I know how do with compliments is accept them graciously - though most of the time I want to argue.
If anyone thinks I'm turning into a twat please just shoot me.
And anyway... yes that PC stuff honestly can be a nightmare to work with. It's like any other icky substance- gasoline, motor oil, epoxy glue, whatever. You either take the time to put on gloves, or you don't and you pay later. Having one of those branches drooping down and looking at the thing, contemplating having to lift it up, is like when you drop your spoon in a bucket of liquid honey, or a stir-stick in the glue/whatever. Put on a glove and gingerly lift the thing up with the tips of your fingers or a stick and try not to get it all over you - and usually fail, while you try to figure out wtf to do next.
Kriaze I'm scratching my head over whether the screens are more prone to mold. It can be a lot of jumbled up bud in one place so it wouldn't be surprising in that sense. But I think that's as far as it goes. I'm pretty sure the screens have slightly better ventilation than unscrogged plants, because I usually strip all the growth below the screen, and then there's a very large open space under quite a thin layer of plant and bud, with fans (usually/when they aren't broken) blasting air both above and below. As you can maybe sort of see in the pics after this.
In the end it just mostly seems to be very strain specific. PC is my mouldiest plant by far- followed by the Mama Thai. The Critical Cheese is somewhat similar in some ways in appearance to the PC- but I've never had any mould on it despite some very risky conditions. Like the last one I harvested. In the photos it's hanging over the edges but in the grow it was all tucked up on top and had screens (and corner wall) jammed up next to it on all sides.
I weighed the bud from this one yesterday - now that I figure it's stabilized somewhat in the curing jar. So this one was 146.4grams- just over 5 oz. I don't usually bother weighing my harvests, but there is a use to it sometimes. Knowing the grams per watt you're producing at least gives you something to compare to.
Santb- Another benefit of the scrog screen system which I forgot to mention last night- it allows me to measure GPW because it gives me a defined space to work with. Four screens takes up the entire growing area of a 600 light- so one screen is obviously a 1/4 of that.
So at 146.whatever grams that works out to just under 1 GPW.
150 grams (1/4 of 600) per screen would be 1 GPW.
This particular CC looked to be worth weighing as a good learning experience in that I think I pushed the yield limits of my setup and light about as far as I could with it. I also got (I'm guessing but didn't weigh it) about 2 oz of trim- which was mainly composed of inferior bud, from that plant, and I think I kind of overstepped the amount of bud I can expect to grow one screen. Ie- it was too full and If it wasn't so full I'd have less trim and maybe more good bud.
In any case it's not a big concern how much each plant produces, but it's interesting sometimes to do the math.
Thanks Bob. You're a great natural fit here and I look forward to seeing you around more -or seeing you start up a grow journal sometime?
To be honest it's a bit weird having so many people on this current journal and having to cope with so many compliments and whatnot. Fun- but I wouldn't want anyone to think I'm a master grower or know shit about anything much or that I'm turning into a stuck up twat because I have a bunch of people on my journal. The only thing I know how do with compliments is accept them graciously - though most of the time I want to argue.
If anyone thinks I'm turning into a twat please just shoot me.
And anyway... yes that PC stuff honestly can be a nightmare to work with. It's like any other icky substance- gasoline, motor oil, epoxy glue, whatever. You either take the time to put on gloves, or you don't and you pay later. Having one of those branches drooping down and looking at the thing, contemplating having to lift it up, is like when you drop your spoon in a bucket of liquid honey, or a stir-stick in the glue/whatever. Put on a glove and gingerly lift the thing up with the tips of your fingers or a stick and try not to get it all over you - and usually fail, while you try to figure out wtf to do next.
Kriaze I'm scratching my head over whether the screens are more prone to mold. It can be a lot of jumbled up bud in one place so it wouldn't be surprising in that sense. But I think that's as far as it goes. I'm pretty sure the screens have slightly better ventilation than unscrogged plants, because I usually strip all the growth below the screen, and then there's a very large open space under quite a thin layer of plant and bud, with fans (usually/when they aren't broken) blasting air both above and below. As you can maybe sort of see in the pics after this.
In the end it just mostly seems to be very strain specific. PC is my mouldiest plant by far- followed by the Mama Thai. The Critical Cheese is somewhat similar in some ways in appearance to the PC- but I've never had any mould on it despite some very risky conditions. Like the last one I harvested. In the photos it's hanging over the edges but in the grow it was all tucked up on top and had screens (and corner wall) jammed up next to it on all sides.
I weighed the bud from this one yesterday - now that I figure it's stabilized somewhat in the curing jar. So this one was 146.4grams- just over 5 oz. I don't usually bother weighing my harvests, but there is a use to it sometimes. Knowing the grams per watt you're producing at least gives you something to compare to.
Santb- Another benefit of the scrog screen system which I forgot to mention last night- it allows me to measure GPW because it gives me a defined space to work with. Four screens takes up the entire growing area of a 600 light- so one screen is obviously a 1/4 of that.
So at 146.whatever grams that works out to just under 1 GPW.
150 grams (1/4 of 600) per screen would be 1 GPW.
This particular CC looked to be worth weighing as a good learning experience in that I think I pushed the yield limits of my setup and light about as far as I could with it. I also got (I'm guessing but didn't weigh it) about 2 oz of trim- which was mainly composed of inferior bud, from that plant, and I think I kind of overstepped the amount of bud I can expect to grow one screen. Ie- it was too full and If it wasn't so full I'd have less trim and maybe more good bud.
In any case it's not a big concern how much each plant produces, but it's interesting sometimes to do the math.
Hey twat, bang bang.. looking good mate, well done...
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ThanksThat looks delicious
Ouch! Aggghhh... cough... fuck!!
thanks. Grizz. I deserve this.
gurgle
Kriaze
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Are you having a crisis of confidence Weasel?
I know that will get taken down I just hope you see it before it is.
Great pics lol
I know that will get taken down I just hope you see it before it is.
Great pics lol
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Ha ha. Thanks.
When am I not? It seems to be my safe (unsafe) zone. Too late to change the formula? At least questioning the fuck out of everything keeps me learning.
Or does it?
Kriaze
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keeps you in a familiar zone and familiar is always good right? Fuck the world mate live on and keep on loving. Yep, weed o'clock 
Kriaze
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I always think that to truly succeed one needs a tenacious quality anyway. If it makes people dickheads by sharing knowledge then the world has become the dickhead. Keep on doing as you do and don't let insecurity get you down. Smoke some weed mate lol
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Thanks Kriaze. I think you're being sort of sarcastic with the first comment about familiarity? If I want to get philosophical - and I always do - more and more I think we become strongest in facing the shit we least like- (sort of) or at least some of the stuff that makes us very uncomfortable.
Like happiness lies in the complete opposite direction I am usually heading. Who would have thought?
Anyway- I don't mind a little insecurity sometimes. It tends to be honest at least- and fake is one of my least favourite things.
Like happiness lies in the complete opposite direction I am usually heading. Who would have thought?
Anyway- I don't mind a little insecurity sometimes. It tends to be honest at least- and fake is one of my least favourite things.
If somebody is being fake to your face, that's real not fake. It's happening, not in imaginary land, so they being real being fake. So a really fake person is being real in their fakeness 