Skybound
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Oh, I forgot, I use the heat mat year round. In the winter, there's 1 bath towel between the mat and the tray, in summer months, 2 bath towels between. Moderate heat works wonders.
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Thanks a lot Skybound. I’ll try your ideas The only thing I’d disagree with is the stem thickness - maybe an illusion in the pic but it’s a regular stem about 1/8” thick. I don’t cut them much thicker than that - never had much luck with the super thin ones either.
Bleach and H2o2 are not at all something I really use or am even familiar with. I’ve just tried them a couple times in desperation. Usually I use boiled rainwater and try to keep things halfass clean.
Yeh I have a little rockwool left around- I used to use it but found coco and perlite to give better and easier results
Yep I’ve got a heat mat under them.
Everything I’ve been doing has worked very well at times in the past.
Bleach and H2o2 are not at all something I really use or am even familiar with. I’ve just tried them a couple times in desperation. Usually I use boiled rainwater and try to keep things halfass clean.
Yeh I have a little rockwool left around- I used to use it but found coco and perlite to give better and easier results
Yep I’ve got a heat mat under them.
Everything I’ve been doing has worked very well at times in the past.
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In this particular case the green mould was on every single stem when I checked them two days after cutting. It appears in exactly the spots the clonex gel was on the stems- appears to like it. This happened to me a couple times earlier this winter which is why I bought two fresh new tubs of gel, thinking it had become tainted.
Could be just bad luck catching some wandering spores- still it seems like my best bet would be having some beneficials in the cloner to counteract this stuff
Could be just bad luck catching some wandering spores- still it seems like my best bet would be having some beneficials in the cloner to counteract this stuff
I've been trying to figure out what's going on with my clones. 
I can't get seeds to sprout, but I can't get clones to fail.
Here's a bunch I took well over a month ago. I literally haven't looked at the roots in weeks - today was the first time and I was surprised - I thought the crowded cups with the shriveled pale cuts were goners.
I just cut 'em with dirty scissors and drop them in a cup of RO water. And then I leave 'em there until I feel like putting them in dirt. Dunno ...
They ain' purdy but look at the roots. And in my experience, once you see the white nubbies, they'll root in dirt.
I can't get seeds to sprout, but I can't get clones to fail.Here's a bunch I took well over a month ago. I literally haven't looked at the roots in weeks - today was the first time and I was surprised - I thought the crowded cups with the shriveled pale cuts were goners.
I just cut 'em with dirty scissors and drop them in a cup of RO water. And then I leave 'em there until I feel like putting them in dirt. Dunno ...
They ain' purdy but look at the roots. And in my experience, once you see the white nubbies, they'll root in dirt.
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That’s just weird. 
Been goin' on all winter ...See the white fuzzy mold on the last bunch? Yet the others in that cup are still fine. I better pop those into soil.
dynamo1
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could it be you have to many spores built up and floating around? maybe a sulfur burn would clean the air and room. Just looking for possibilities
Dankman_420
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I use a cheapo dwc cloner and usually have decent results. I just cloned 4 different plants in it, 3 had roots in 10 days. One was in it over 2 weeks and I got frustrated with it not showing roots. So I pulled it out of the cloner and dipped it into clonex gel and stuck in soil. It looks rough but sure as hell took roots. It's 24k from DNA genetics. I guess it's just hard to clone. My biggest concern is temps with my cloner. I bought a cheap digatil aquarium thermometer for it. pH to 5.8 and keep temps in high 60's works best for me
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~Chocolate Mint OG~
This is the cut of the variegated one that reverted back to normal. It’s dank and sticky as hell as well as being very pretty. Scuze the dubious pics I have trouble seeing what’s in focus these days.
I let this one go to the bitter end because it seems to bring out the goo, and it looks pretty, plus I was busy.
I always think this strain should be the perfect replacement for the PC, but according to the stoner friends, apparently not...
The PC is more ‘uplifting’ they say, and the CMOG is more ‘sleepy’ they say. I guess they like lifted better than sleepy. In my experience they’re both pretty much like a sledgehammer blow directly to the head, but the PC gets me with a hard upswing and the CMOG a downswing, either way I end up flattened.
This is the cut of the variegated one that reverted back to normal. It’s dank and sticky as hell as well as being very pretty. Scuze the dubious pics I have trouble seeing what’s in focus these days.
I let this one go to the bitter end because it seems to bring out the goo, and it looks pretty, plus I was busy.
I always think this strain should be the perfect replacement for the PC, but according to the stoner friends, apparently not...
The PC is more ‘uplifting’ they say, and the CMOG is more ‘sleepy’ they say. I guess they like lifted better than sleepy. In my experience they’re both pretty much like a sledgehammer blow directly to the head, but the PC gets me with a hard upswing and the CMOG a downswing, either way I end up flattened.
I guesss that's a good enough reason to have kept it 
looks nice man...
looks nice man...
Beautiful produce, Weasel! 
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Wow I’m jealous. My best attempts at cleanliness and I get penicillin. I peered at that mould spot in your photos but wasn’t sure if it was a trick of the light or what. Looks like the kind of mould I normally associate with clone attempts. They often grow roots in spite of it. That blue-green mould though - I never saw it on cuttings ever before this winter.
Great idea, thanks Dynamo. I remember PotChimp used to burn sulphur. He said he thought it worked alright- maybe just didn’t want it on the buds around the time it’s normally needed most- in later flowering. Anyway- a very interesting rabbit hole. I already started looking for sulphur online and found some info on diy burners.
Thanks Dank. I bought my aero cloner last year in an attempt to solve my rooting problems. It seemed to work pretty well the first few times but as with all my other cloning methods, success has slowed to a bare trickle lately.
I shudder to drag it out again - seems like I just end up dumping out a bunch of dead cuttings two weeks later and having to sanitize the whole contraption again. It’s a bit of a hassle for no roots and I’ve done that fruitless rigmarole many times over the last winter.
But yeah- I have an aquarium thermometer now too and so I’m going to drag the cloner out and run it again with the thermometer in it this time. Maybe there are some surprise temperatures there.
Bottom line is the area I live in is mould and rot central. It’s like a big salad that’s been left out in the rain to rot. The door of my grow opens on to a cesspit of fungi hell, or heaven I guess if you’re any sort of fungi. It’s not like there’s any mould in the grow that I can see, (though there obviously has to be, if only judging by my cuttings). But the entire outside world is a mass of rotting vegetation, just seething with decay. There’s really nothing much I can do about it with this current grow location. I may be able to ‘pave’ the entrance area with some sort of gravel or something to try and keep the fungi back a few feet, but I don’t see it making a huge difference.
It’s a thought though. When I get an hour or two sometime I’m going to see what I can do to at least clear a better doorstep amidst the toadstools and slugs. For today I bleached down the room a bit.
Checked some of my veg plants today and the roots seem healthy at least.
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Bottom line is the area I live in is mould and rot central.
Hell yeah them roots look great, I really like that they grew all the way to the top of the media which to me indicates that you coaxed them to grow everywhere in the pot.
I know it doesn't mean much now, but maybe it's all relative and you might could get something else maybe, but the direction I'm heading with the feed is my effort to grow hi brix hydro, and I believe in order to achieve that I will need to identify perfect levels of each macro and secondary, while also ensuring I have a robust and active microbial system for the roots, all of which will keep a very healthy plant going which in turn will give off healthy cuttings that themselves will have balance within themselves and root faster and stronger. My research is leading me to consider getting into sap PH testing, then using this chart to help my dial in the varying ranges.
I am of the unfounded opinion ideal feed ratios will fall within the ranges listed in that chart and the only way they are all in alignment is when the leaf sap is at 6.4ph. It would be downright revolutionary if hydro growers can identify perfect synergy with the nutrients because with hydro buddy, those numbers can be shared widely and they will transcend every nutrient brand that has a guaranteed analysis on the label.
On a side note though, I encourage you to become an expert in beneficial bacteria. Have you read the Heisenberg thread on RIU? It's a good read, Google search "DWC Root Slime". He outlines various products that can be sourced locally from various parts of Earth on how to make an Aerated Compost Tea. It's a great one page read.
Dankman_420
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Beautiful buddage brother!
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Happy 420 guys!
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You too bro 
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Hell yeah them roots look great, I really like that they grew all the way to the top of the media which to me indicates that you coaxed them to grow everywhere in the pot.
I know it doesn't mean much now, but maybe it's all relative and you might could get something else maybe, but the direction I'm heading with the feed is my effort to grow hi brix hydro, and I believe in order to achieve that I will need to identify perfect levels of each macro and secondary, while also ensuring I have a robust and active microbial system for the roots, all of which will keep a very healthy plant going which in turn will give off healthy cuttings that themselves will have balance within themselves and root faster and stronger. My research is leading me to consider getting into sap PH testing, then using this chart to help my dial in the varying ranges.
I am of the unfounded opinion ideal feed ratios will fall within the ranges listed in that chart and the only way they are all in alignment is when the leaf sap is at 6.4ph. It would be downright revolutionary if hydro growers can identify perfect synergy with the nutrients because with hydro buddy, those numbers can be shared widely and they will transcend every nutrient brand that has a guaranteed analysis on the label.
On a side note though, I encourage you to become an expert in beneficial bacteria. Have you read the Heisenberg thread on RIU? It's a good read, Google search "DWC Root Slime". He outlines various products that can be sourced locally from various parts of Earth on how to make an Aerated Compost Tea. It's a great one page read.
Thanks dude. I used to read through all the Heisenberg tea threads a few years back. About time I revisited.
TBH I’ve always felt quite uneasy with my growing style and these bottled nutes and bags of soilless don’t really fit for me. It seems like kind of a half-ass compromise between soil and true hydro. But circumstances kind of push you into strange corners sometimes and it has mostly worked well enough.
I’ve been starting to mix more compost and manure in my veg plants the last couple months- it hardly makes sense to be dumping bottled veg nutrients in there when I have so many natural veg options*. I have a feeling this is probably going to bite me in the ass in flowering fairly soon as I might have overdone the bunny turd quota in this last mix. Next round will tell, but regardless, I’m really enjoying going slightly more organic and so far the plants are too.
Looking forward to seeing what you come up with re the leaf sap ph idea.
* Come to think of it there is that friggin bat colony in my roof so if that situation keeps up the way it has the last couple years I could probably manage flowering nutes too. If I could just figure out how to get at the guano reserves ha ha ha.
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~Air Layering~
Kinda forgot to update this. I checked the roots a while back and was sad to see they had died. Not sure what happened there.
I slathered more cloning gel and rockwool back in the same spot and wrapped it up again. Roots are showing again now. I’ll see if I can get a fair mass of them before cutting the stem.
Kinda forgot to update this. I checked the roots a while back and was sad to see they had died. Not sure what happened there.
I slathered more cloning gel and rockwool back in the same spot and wrapped it up again. Roots are showing again now. I’ll see if I can get a fair mass of them before cutting the stem.
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Chocolate Mint OG
Another one, of the same cut as the last one I harvested, but a bit younger. I actually decided to put it back into flowering for another week after I took the photos. It’s mostly ready but still a little on the fluffy side.
Another one, of the same cut as the last one I harvested, but a bit younger. I actually decided to put it back into flowering for another week after I took the photos. It’s mostly ready but still a little on the fluffy side.
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Been to the city for eye surgery and got back a couple days ago. I’m still adjusting to having a new artificial lens in my eye. My vision is much better overall, but still weird. I’m revising my plan to become the Six Million Dollar bionic Weasel. On second thought the original body parts seemed to work best.
I can do things like kill mosquitoes now though. A couple weeks ago I was just helpless food for those bastards.
Thanks kindly to those of you who’ve put up with this epic tangent as this alleged grow journal all but flatlined for the last year. Now that I can see a bit better, maybe things will pick up slightly around here. Or maybe not. Or I may shut it down, ha ha- I haven’t decided yet. Sometimes this forum feels like a bit of a ghost town. Cannabis tumbleweeds blowing in the wind gently whistling through endless rows of legal journals, no humour to be found except over at PotChimp’s...all the newbies growing perfect buds with no stupid questions to answer... Tead lost in the mists of dab-land...
Other times I think it’s mostly in my head.
Here’s a thing I glimpsed on one of the new P Chunks this winter. Now that I can see more clearly, I can clearly see more of it. It’s on the one I call PC2- on both the original seedling and its clone.
I know it looks like TMV is supposed to look, but I’ve seen a few internet TMV scares now with no real scary outcomes. Since it hasn’t spread to other plants I’m not going to worry about it too much quite yet.
My girlfriend took care of the plants while I was gone. Alas this didn’t go as perfectly as it has in the past, and the variegated Chocolate Mint dried out and died. A shame since I was sooooo close to planting the air-layered branch. Then she would have had two of them to kill and probably one would have survived. The air layering had a lot of roots and I could have planted it before I left but decided to leave it till I got back.
I had plans for that plant... Oh well, shit happens, no use fretting about it now.
Barring some weird miracle - it’s goodbye variegated Chocolate Mint. It was fun while it lasted.
Not only is the variegated one gone, but somehow I’ve mysteriously ended up in a situation where the CM4 (reverted non-mutant version of the variegated CM3 plant, which I’m about to post pics of below, has no surviving clones left). No idea how that happened since I’m sure I had a clone or two around. I’d ask, but don’t want my gf to feel worse about things than she already does ha ha. So hopefully the last few sickly looking cuttings taken from the corpse of CM3 will root - though I don’t expect them to be variegated.
The two latest little Purple Envy seedlings also dried out and croaked. I’m trying to sprout the one remaining PE seed now.
On the bright side, everything else survived ok. The veg plants are obviously stuffed to the gills and beyond with nitrogen from the bunny turds I fed them and I sure hope they don’t get any greener. But they’ve also grown like crazy - which allowed me to fully restock flowering. Veg looks empty now especially with that big variegated plant gone. Time to reassess the current strains list a little.
I got some Z7 in the mail today, which I’m hoping might solve the root rot issues I’ve been getting in cloning. I know Skybound said not to bother spending my money on these store bought cures, but wtf- it was reasonably cheap and it seems to work for everyone else, if Internet reviews can be trusted. If it works I can DIY it later. I started a batch of cuttings in perlite and also dragged out the aero cloner for a batch in there too. This time I put the cloner pump on an intermittent timer. Maybe lower water temps along with the Z7 will be the magic fix. I’m really right out of tricks after this.
I can do things like kill mosquitoes now though.
A couple weeks ago I was just helpless food for those bastards.Thanks kindly to those of you who’ve put up with this epic tangent as this alleged grow journal all but flatlined for the last year. Now that I can see a bit better, maybe things will pick up slightly around here. Or maybe not. Or I may shut it down, ha ha- I haven’t decided yet. Sometimes this forum feels like a bit of a ghost town. Cannabis tumbleweeds blowing in the wind gently whistling through endless rows of legal journals, no humour to be found except over at PotChimp’s...all the newbies growing perfect buds with no stupid questions to answer... Tead lost in the mists of dab-land...
Other times I think it’s mostly in my head.
Here’s a thing I glimpsed on one of the new P Chunks this winter. Now that I can see more clearly, I can clearly see more of it. It’s on the one I call PC2- on both the original seedling and its clone.
I know it looks like TMV is supposed to look, but I’ve seen a few internet TMV scares now with no real scary outcomes. Since it hasn’t spread to other plants I’m not going to worry about it too much quite yet.
My girlfriend took care of the plants while I was gone. Alas this didn’t go as perfectly as it has in the past, and the variegated Chocolate Mint dried out and died. A shame since I was sooooo close to planting the air-layered branch. Then she would have had two of them to kill and probably one would have survived. The air layering had a lot of roots and I could have planted it before I left but decided to leave it till I got back.
I had plans for that plant... Oh well, shit happens, no use fretting about it now.
Barring some weird miracle - it’s goodbye variegated Chocolate Mint. It was fun while it lasted.
Not only is the variegated one gone, but somehow I’ve mysteriously ended up in a situation where the CM4 (reverted non-mutant version of the variegated CM3 plant, which I’m about to post pics of below, has no surviving clones left). No idea how that happened since I’m sure I had a clone or two around. I’d ask, but don’t want my gf to feel worse about things than she already does ha ha
. So hopefully the last few sickly looking cuttings taken from the corpse of CM3 will root - though I don’t expect them to be variegated.The two latest little Purple Envy seedlings also dried out and croaked. I’m trying to sprout the one remaining PE seed now.
On the bright side, everything else survived ok. The veg plants are obviously stuffed to the gills and beyond with nitrogen from the bunny turds I fed them and I sure hope they don’t get any greener. But they’ve also grown like crazy - which allowed me to fully restock flowering. Veg looks empty now especially with that big variegated plant gone. Time to reassess the current strains list a little.
I got some Z7 in the mail today, which I’m hoping might solve the root rot issues I’ve been getting in cloning. I know Skybound said not to bother spending my money on these store bought cures, but wtf- it was reasonably cheap and it seems to work for everyone else, if Internet reviews can be trusted. If it works I can DIY it later. I started a batch of cuttings in perlite and also dragged out the aero cloner for a batch in there too. This time I put the cloner pump on an intermittent timer. Maybe lower water temps along with the Z7 will be the magic fix. I’m really right out of tricks after this.