Volksball's First Grow: White Widow Feminized Grow Journal 2018

[volksball]

So, I just watered the girls for the first time in a week. The soil finally felt dry and the pots light.

I read that nutrient rich water should not touch the leaves directly. I accidentally splashed a small leaf on the second node - one of the single leaf nodes. Might have been the first. Anyhow, in the process if drying it, I pulled off the very end of it. Logic tells me that if I'm going to cut 50 or more percent off the plant in coming days, this should be an easy recovery for the plant, but my worries about killing them often prevail over logic.

Is there something I should do to treat the leaf/plant? Or just leave it to recover on it's own?

Thanks.

 

[Emilya Green]

it will be fine... you should see all the leaves that the deer eat off of my outdoor plants in the spring... and they just keep on keeping on.
I regularly foliar spray my plants with all sorts of nutrient rich waters... and they love it. You just want to make sure you don't leave a huge puddle on a leaf that will act like a magnifying glass under a big light... and usually if i make a spill like that, I just take the corner of a paper towel to it and dab it up a bit... im not worried about a little left over residue and if you take a close look at my plants right now, you will see water and nutrient residue all over my leaves.

 

[volksball]

it will be fine... you should see all the leaves that the deer eat off of my outdoor plants in the spring... and they just keep on keeping on.
I regularly foliar spray my plants with all sorts of nutrient rich waters... and they love it. You just want to make sure you don't leave a huge puddle on a leaf that will act like a magnifying glass under a big light... and usually if i make a spill like that, I just take the corner of a paper towel to it and dab it up a bit... im not worried about a little left over residue and if you take a close look at my plants right now, you will see water and nutrient residue all over my leaves.

Whew! Thanks!

 

[Reave]

I have residue on mine too from the foliar feeding. Leaving big pools of feed on my plants is how I butchured my first 3. plants. Now I foliar feed at lights out.

 

[volksball]

Merry Christmas, growers!

I hope you all are having your very best day.

For my girls, sadly, I think theirs may have been a bit less kind. They'll thank me later.

For two, the internodal distance between 2 and 3 were seemingly too short to top there, so they've been topped at 3-4. For the tallest girl, she was tall enough to take a 2-3 topping.

For me, it cut my heart out.

Have a look at pics in between trips to the fridge for more of whatever makes today so great for you. I've included before and after shots. Also a shot of some of the prettiest leaves that came off.

Thx for all of your help during this trying time.

V.

 

[volksball]

Good morning, growers.

Hoping you've all had a great few days over the Christmas break.

The girls seem to be adapting very well to the topping and growing new colas upward and onward.

My only concern, is that one of the leaves on what was once the tallest girl has a few spots. They arent showing up on other leaves and I can't definitively say that they weren't there before, as this leaf was under the foliage that was removed and out of plain sight, unlike now.

If anyone has seen this before, I'd be happy to know what it might be, if anything. Or if you see other reasons for concern, I'm all ears.

Another question I have is when to start LST on the new colas or old leaves. The new growths seems too small and fragile to start tying down, but I'm not sure.

Thanks

 

[Emilya Green]

The plants look great, and I think that spot was just a nutrient splash... keep an eye out for more of them.

The LST at this point becomes a game of "who's got the dominance". One branch will try to be the topmost and dominant node. Your job as the LST manager is to bend these nodes down below the top as soon as they become dominant. Let a lesser node rise up to seek dominance. For the first couple of weeks after the topping you will be constantly working to keep the growth tips of the 4 main branches down low, so it induces growth on the tertiary preflower sites that are now exposed in the middle. At some point, you will have the 4 corners staked down pretty well and those newest nodes in the center will become dominant. If I am vegging for a longer period of time, I will bend those over too when they get long enough, or I will top them, making each new node, 2 nodes!
I have just started to do this on the oldest two in my tent, but with my trip yesterday I didn't get a chance to document it. I will correct this oversight when I get home this afternoon.
For now, let them grow out a bit so they can easily be bent over to horizontal. If one side of the node decides it wants to be dominant, lay it down first, so the other side has to catch up. Its sort of like chasing the roots with our water... you can chase this dominance all around the plant and cause whichever nodes you want, to be the ones that grow the fastest. Understanding dominance is the key. Look at each of your plants right now, and determine which branch (or two) are dominant right now. If you bend them over, dominance changes.

 

[volksball]

The plants look great, and I think that spot was just a nutrient splash... keep an eye out for more of them.

The LST at this point becomes a game of "who's got the dominance". One branch will try to be the topmost and dominant node. Your job as the LST manager is to bend these nodes down below the top as soon as they become dominant. Let a lesser node rise up to seek dominance. For the first couple of weeks after the topping you will be constantly working to keep the growth tips of the 4 main branches down low, so it induces growth on the tertiary preflower sites that are now exposed in the middle. At some point, you will have the 4 corners staked down pretty well and those newest nodes in the center will become dominant. If I am vegging for a longer period of time, I will bend those over too when they get long enough, or I will top them, making each new node, 2 nodes!
I have just started to do this on the oldest two in my tent, but with my trip yesterday I didn't get a chance to document it. I will correct this oversight when I get home this afternoon.
For now, let them grow out a bit so they can easily be bent over to horizontal. If one side of the node decides it wants to be dominant, lay it down first, so the other side has to catch up. Its sort of like chasing the roots with our water... you can chase this dominance all around the plant and cause whichever nodes you want, to be the ones that grow the fastest. Understanding dominance is the key. Look at each of your plants right now, and determine which branch (or two) are dominant right now. If you bend them over, dominance changes.

Thanks, Emilya.

I suspected that the spots may be a splash or two, but couldn't be too sure. I'll keep an eye out.

In terms of dominant branches, there seems to be a couple that are charging upward faster than the other new growths. I can clearly see at least a couple that will be tied down horizontally. If it's clear now, should I deal with them now? Or like you've suggested, let them grow out a bit? I readied the pics of the ones I'm referring to.

Thanks for the tips on how/when to do it. I'm assuming a bit of twine and scissors should be all I need to anchor dominant branches to the sides of the bag?

 

[Emilya Green]

Thanks, Emilya.

I suspected that the spots may be a splash or two, but couldn't be too sure. I'll keep an eye out.

In terms of dominant branches, there seems to be a couple that are charging upward faster than the other new growths. I can clearly see at least a couple that will be tied down horizontally. If it's clear now, should I deal with them now? Or like you've suggested, let them grow out a bit? I readied the pics of the ones I'm referring to.

Thanks for the tips on how/when to do it. I'm assuming a bit of twine and scissors should be all I need to anchor dominant branches to the sides of the bag?

twine and scissors and office binding clips is what I used for a long time... just got tired of detangling all the string for resuse. This is why I went to the metal hoop system that I use now.
As far as when, the sooner the better really... because then you take dominance away from those and you accelerate all the rest. Every day I am in there adjusting this a bit... tweaking here and there.

 

[volksball]

twine and scissors and office binding clips is what I used for a long time... just got tired of detangling all the string for resuse. This is why I went to the metal hoop system that I use now.
As far as when, the sooner the better really... because then you take dominance away from those and you accelerate all the rest. Every day I am in there adjusting this a bit... tweaking here and there.

Good advice. Thanks.

Could you tell/show me what you're referring to when mentioning metal hoop systems?

 

[Emilya Green]

Good advice. Thanks.

Could you tell/show me what you're referring to when mentioning metal hoop systems?

Emmie's 6 Plant, True Living Organic, LED Grow Journal

 

[Emilya Green]

 

[volksball]

Good morning,

After a day of monitoring, faint brown spots have stayed and are on two other leaves (one being on a different plant). They were there yesterday, upon closer inspection. This morning, they've not spread further or changed in anyway and the leaves look to be unchanged otherwise. The plants seem healthy in every other sense and grow new branches at seemingly rapid rates.

Reading some, the spots could be symptomatic of a phosphorus or calcium deficiency, both of which are likely caused by a pH problem. I do balance my pH before watering (as I did yesterday) and no longer take readings of the runoff. Some of the research I did claims runoff to be an important reading, though Emilya's justification for it being an inaccurate picture if what is actually going on in the soil seemed to make sense to me.

I suppose I should be concerned, though from what I've read, this won't kill the plant, but slow its growth and affect yeilds in the flowering process. Neither of which concern me at this point, but no one wants a sick plant.

Any suggestions?

Will be training the new branches today. Thanks for the tip on the metal loops. Will look for them or a similar product today at the hardware store.

Day 33

Thanks.

 

[Emilya Green]

Let's study these spots a bit and not just pass them off as nutrient splash then... can you get us some closeups of the several locations? Also a side view of the entire plant so we can see where on the plant this is happening.
Regarding runoff... if you are watering correctly according to my method, there really isn't any runoff worth looking at. What little there was I am sure would be highly concentrated, and the more I diluted it with additional water from the top, the more skewed that silly number would become. At which point, 2%, 10% or 20% runoff would that number accurately report something that might be happening up in the soil? I just don't see any logic in it, but I know people profess that it tells them all sorts of useful things. We all have our methods I guess.

 

[volksball]

Here are the pics of the spotted leaves. I tried to get as close and as clear as I could with some more successful than others. Thanks.

 

[Yerba428]

Sorry if this has been asked what breeder are these white widows? They are most definitely as labeled with those fat leaves. I’m familiar with seedsman’s white widow

 

[volksball]

Sorry if this has been asked what breeder are these white widows? They are most definitely as labeled with those fat leaves. I’m familiar with seedsman’s white widow

I got them from i49 out of BC, Canada. They claim to have gotten them from AMS. I didn't probe further.

 

[Yerba428]

They look legit with the fat leaves. Nice plants. Itd be cool to follow this and compare WW I just chopped 3 from seedsman and 1 was incredible keeper I have pics of flowering in soil and dried .

 

[volksball]

They look legit with the fat leaves. Nice plants. Itd be cool to follow this and compare WW I just chopped 3 from seedsman and 1 was incredible keeper I have pics of flowering in soil and dried .

Thank you. Yeah it would be cool to compare our outcomes. It's my first grow, so I'm not entirely sure what to expect. These brown spots are a bit concerning, so I've got to nail down that problem first, I think. I had a look at a bunch of your pics - great work! It looks as if you're doing alot right.

 

[Yerba428]

Thank you. Yeah it would be cool to compare our outcomes. It's my first grow, so I'm not entirely sure what to expect. These brown spots are a bit concerning, so I've got to nail down that problem first, I think. I had a look at a bunch of your pics - great work! It looks as if you're doing alot right.

Thanks for the kind words! I’m still new too. Very basic soil mix and nutes. Still playing with soil ph with lime and figuring out the whole tap water thing. My town jacked up chlorine levels recently I can smell it bad. I got a filter off amazon that’s activated carbon but I haven’t went a full round with chlorine free water yet.