Vancouver Island 2022 Organic Grow

[Danishoes21]

That was an awesome link, man!

I have those plantains around here. That wikipedia info was very informatine, put the link in my cannabis folder.

My journal may only have 3 followers, but am fortunate to have quality over quantity.

Thanks, guys! YOU'S DA BEST!

Cheers!

Hey buddy I’m following and cheering for your tall ladies to fruit some flowers.

I also have second thoughts about the picture you say shows some illness on your grow, actually not sure you even have an issue at all.

 

[scottreid1966]

Ask away. No issues on my end.

The knf sugar extractions are basically equal amounts, by weight, of sugar and plant material mixed thoroughly so the sugar coats the plant material well. No water. Fill the jar/container 2/3rds full, cover with a breathable lid and sert aside. In 7-10 days you'll have most of what you're likely to get so you can drain and screen it then. Plant material can then go in your compost pile.

The liquid will be a dark brown color, thicker than water but not quite syrupy and will depend on the amount of material you use, but it's not all that much. It's quite concentrated though and may cause pH issues if you use too many at a time. I often use several together like seaweed, comfrey, fish and wca. I haven't had issues, but something to be aware of.

I noticed that m new batch of dandy-lion tea isn't producing as much "brown juice". Then again, they are alot more thinner this time of year. It's been 10 days so thanks for the 411 Azi, I will strain it later.
Would it be a problem if I put it with my older batch?

Most of my knf extracts are used at 1:750 although 1:1,000 is the actual recommended dilution.

Is this for foliar or soil?

Cheers!

 

[scottreid1966]

Hey buddy I’m following and cheering for your tall ladies to fruit some flowers.

I also have second thoughts about the picture you say shows some illness on your grow, actually not sure you even have an issue at all.

I really hope so, D! The big fence plant on the left has started to do the same but wasn't quite pronounced.

Maybe it's the strain, but now have 2 with darker, interior buds. Can't find anything similar in any other pics for comparison.

All the outsides were fed the same and with everything I gave them, they should all be pretty even. Why 2 out of 4 are darkening has me stumped.

Crossing fingers, have a good one.

 

[Azimuth]

I noticed that m new batch of dandy-lion tea isn't producing as much "brown juice". Then again, they are alot more thinner this time of year. It's been 10 days so thanks for the 411 Azi, I will strain it later.
Would it be a problem if I put it with my older batch?

Most of my knf extracts are used at 1:750 although 1:1,000 is the actual recommended dilution.

Is this for foliar or soil?

Cheers!

I use it 1:750 for both. That works out to 1 tsp/gallon, so simple math. Try putting a clean weight on top. Many of the fermented foods are made that way. They even sell weighted inserts for Mason jars. I usually just put a glass that's narrow enough to fit through the larger jar's rim, fill it with water and let it do its thing.

Mixing batches is probably a push. You won't get the benefits like when combing a new batch of JLF with an old one, but probably won't hurt anything. That said, I'd probably start a new batch.

 

[Danishoes21]

I really hope so, D! The big fence plant on the left has started to do the same but wasn't quite pronounced.

Maybe it's the strain, but now have 2 with darker, interior buds. Can't find anything similar in any other pics for comparison.

All the outsides were fed the same and with everything I gave them, they should all be pretty even. Why 2 out of 4 are darkening has me stumped.

Crossing fingers, have a good one.

Are the 2 showing darker inner bud same cultivar? Like same genotype? Is it getting colder at night?

I’ve seen in my past grows when the fall temperatures drop below 20 Celsius, some phenos doesn’t matter their genotype will start turning sugar leaf a darker green almost blue to purple.

Some cultivars genotype are structured that they are purple or just darker Color.

I think you are good bro, give it time, keep doing what has worked for ya so far, and beware of the mildew.

 

[scottreid1966]

Are the 2 showing darker inner bud same cultivar? Like same genotype? Is it getting colder at night?

I’ve seen in my past grows when the fall temperatures drop below 20 Celsius, some phenos doesn’t matter their genotype will start turning sugar leaf a darker green almost blue to purple.

Some cultivars genotype are structured that they are purple or just darker Color.

I think you are good bro, give it time, keep doing what has worked for ya so far, and beware of the mildew.

Thanks, they are the same strain, all Cafe Racer. And yes, the temp. is dropping to below 60F.

 

[Danishoes21]

Thanks, they are the same strain, all Cafe Racer. And yes, the temp. is dropping to below 60F.

I did some research on Cafe Racer; actually very awesome mix of genes. So you could be seeing a cafe racer that exhibits mostly granddaddy purple pheno traits and could be a GSC chemotype… that’s just me wild guessing. But anyways somewhere down the linage of your current cafe racer are phenotype traits of purple Colors or darker Color.
It’s also saying it could reach 8ft tall outdoors.

Cafe Racer Lineage / Genealogy​

• Cafe Racer »»» Grandaddy Purple x Girl Scout Cookies
• Grandaddy Purple Probably
  • »»» Mendo Purps x {Skunk x Afghanistan} Probably
  • Skunk x Afghanistan
    • Skunk
      • Skunk #1
        • »»» Afghanistan x Mexico x Colombia
        • Afghanistan »»» Indica
        • Mexico »»» Sativa
        • Colombia »»» Sativa
    • Afghanistan »»» Indica
  • Mendo Purps
    • Unknown Mostly Indica »»» Mostly Indica
• Girl Scout Cookies
  • »»» F1 Durban x OG Kush South Florida
  • F1 Durban S1
    • Cherry Pie Kush
      • »»» Durban Poison x ChemdawgMendocino
      • Durban Poison IBL
        • Durban Poison Durban
          • South African SativaKwaZulu-Natal »»» Sativa
      • Chemdawg Mendocino (specified above)
  • OG Kush South Florida Probably
    • »»» Chemdawg x {Lemon Thai x Hindu Kush, Pakistan} Probably
    • Lemon Thai x Hindu Kush, Pakistan
      • Lemon Thai »»» Sativa
      • Hindu Kush, Pakistan »»» Indica
    • Chemdawg
      • Unknown Indica »»» Indica

As an indoor crop, Granddaddy Purple is equally happy in hydro or soil. With a pure indica heritage, this plant is predisposed to a short bushy stature. Granddaddy branches extensively, making her less than ideal for SOG style grows, but she can be trained to make an awesome super crop garden. When left to her natural tendencies, this strain will make a nice big shrub that reaches about 3 feet indoors or up to 8 feet outdoors. She is a hardy grower with tight internodes and dense dark green to purple leaves.

Granddaddy Purple is easy to work with throughout her growth cycle. She likes a cool temperature, between 70-80 F, and can be very forgiving so long as she is adequately watered. Due to her high resin output and dense structure, this plant can be alluring to mites.

Granddaddy Purple finishes her flowering cycle in 8-9 weeks. The buds are dense green nuggets that gain royal purple hues as they mature. Depending on the size she is allowed to reach, Granddaddy Purple can yield between 0.5 and 3.5 ounces apiece. outdoor plants will really deliver, with potential yields between 8 ounces and 5 pounds.

 

[Danishoes21]

Found this one article and despite being heavy on plant biology terms, like hard to read... pretty much is saying that a large quantity of plants create Reactive Oxigen Species (ROS) as a defense response to many abiotic and biotic stress-related events. Cannabis is probably one of the plants producing a wide variety of ROS like hydrogen peroxide (H2O2), yup the same thing we spray to fight PM and other fungal problems... Turns out the plant itself is producing it, giving the stress. Whats funny is that even big labs and science have NO idea how it works, its sooo complicated.

"Every type of ROS has unique and distinct chemical properties (Fig. 1). For example, singlet oxygen (1O2) can oxidise lipids, proteins and guanidine residues of DNA; superoxide (⁠

⁠), like singlet oxygen, has a half-life time of 1-4 µs and reacts with Fe-S proteins; and hydroxyl (OH•) radicals are extremely reactive and unstable with a half-life time of 1 ns (Mittler, 2017; Waszczak et al., 2018). In contrast, hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) is fairly stable (more than 1 ms) and, therefore, is considered as the predominant ROS involved in cellular signaling. ROS can interact with various cellular components, including those that play a role in regulating ROS intracellular levels, hereafter referred to as ‘ROS processing systems’ (Fig. 2). Hydrogen peroxide, for instance, can be processed by several enzymes, including catalases (CATs) and ascorbate peroxidases (APXs), which are the main players involved in H2O2 metabolism. H2O2 and other peroxides can also be processed by glutathione S-transferases (GSTs) (Dixon and Edwards, 2010) and peroxiredoxins (PRXs) (Dietz, 2011) including glutathione peroxidases (GPXs), which were misleadingly named because of their homology to animal GPX, but are now considered to act as thioredoxin (TRX)-dependent peroxiredoxins."

Reactive oxygen species in plant development

Summary: This Primer summarizes the emerging roles of reactive oxygen species and redox-dependent mechanisms in plant growth and development, highlighting interactions with phytohormonal networks.

journals.biologists.com

Anyway another good read.
Good friday everyone.

 

[Azimuth]

Cannabis is probably one of the plants producing a wide variety of ROS like hydrogen peroxide (H2O2), yup the same thing we spray to fight PM and other fungal problems... Turns out the plant itself is producing it, giving the stress.

So that suggests that the canna plants that suffer from pm aren't as efficient or produce the h2O2 as well as those that fight it off better. Therefore, adding more to a struggling plant may hurt rather than help develop immunity.

I haven't read the article yet, but does it suggest my thoughts are ill informed?

 

[Danishoes21]

So that suggests that the canna plants that suffer from pm aren't as efficient or produce the h2O2 as well as those that fight it off better. Therefore, adding more to a struggling plant may hurt rather than help develop immunity.

I haven't read the article yet, but does it suggest my thoughts are ill informed?

Its a hard one for me to say Azi, all these articles talk about homeostasis leaving much to imagine for us... I would assume if a plant is in perfect condition it would probably produce its own self defense. So many factors could induce a poor defense response, some of the pathogens have a simbiotic relationship with the plant they steal nutrients from it with out killing it, in this process maybe the plant is unable to produce these ROS and then will suffer and die from the illness. A stressor can have a Biotrophic relation that can become a necrotrophic relation.

I wouldnt be able to answer your question. Im still reading and trying to understand... its pretty wordy.

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[Danishoes21]

So that suggests that the canna plants that suffer from pm aren't as efficient or produce the h2O2 as well as those that fight it off better. Therefore, adding more to a struggling plant may hurt rather than help develop immunity.

I haven't read the article yet, but does it suggest my thoughts are ill informed?

Im thinking that in the perfect scenario if a plant doesn’t have any nutrient issues (homeostasis) ever it should be able to create its defensive system (assuming that creating a ROS specific response involves lots of energy from the plant).
So maybe, and this is my POV a plant displaying pathogen damage had a nutrient problem we weren’t aware of, therefore it’s inability to create a proper ROS response.

 

[Azimuth]

Im thinking that in the perfect scenario if a plant doesn’t have any nutrient issues (homeostasis) ever it should be able to create its defensive system (assuming that creating a ROS specific response involves lots of energy from the plant).
So maybe, and this is my POV a plant displaying pathogen damage had a nutrient problem we weren’t aware of, therefore it’s inability to create a proper ROS response.

Well, I think also genetics play a part as different plants even from the same strain grown in the same conditions can exhibit different resistance. But I agree, a healthy plant is best able to resist pests and disease.

 

[Danishoes21]

Willow leaf and willow leaf mold recollection.Ready for a jar. Fingers crossed

 

[Azimuth]

Nice!

 

[Danishoes21]

I got a good update for yall, like always bare with me its a photo dump.

I will start with my observations; as you know I have been trying many things to fight PM, rust and many other pest and fungal problems that are common for cannabis outdoors, you can't win them all.
After one week of foliar spraying common plantain with PM (anaerobic), and the constant horsetail/neem foliar, I have also used the same liquids as part of my root watering routine, hit them with seaweed, now the fern, banana peel.. like they are getting hit with everything I got roots and foliar.
First thing is I dont see PM all over what I see is consistent stains that are flat white, they are round and seem to be isolated, I dont want to jump into any conclusions, I am leaning with the possibility of thats what it looks like to produce a ROS self defense to PM. I am a believer, I dont doubt those are PM marks on the foliage (the plants are surrounded by PM, it is everywhere) It would be ludacris to think I would be the one with out PM. I like what I see, its new I have never seen a stain like that.
Now I have to do one thing, If i understood the data I have been posting here, some of this ROS responses actually have fluorescent marks or has some sort of bio-luminescence. I yet to see that, I would probably time a visit to see them at night.
Anyways I leave all the photos for you knowledgeable peps to see, digest and discuss.
In this visit I have up the dose (of bio stressor or elicitors Im not sure on what is what), just to say Im using full force of every tea I have both foliar and for roots.
I AM ALL IN>.

CHUNKY SKUNK
Lets start with the one that has the most marks and is showing the most vunerability. She is expressing something on the lower foliage, rapid yellowing and necrosis of lower fans. Is it a flowering phase? I wouldnt know. Is she suffering from the pathogen attack? I dont know. Is she showing more signs of PM fight than the rest because she has some nutrient prolem? could be the case, If she isnt at the top of the health chain she will suffer far more than the rest.
She is also forming buds and thats also a major energy expense. Fight PM and flower equals nutrient deficiency.

 

[Azimuth]

Keep it coming, Dani! Good work and maybe we can all benefit from your efforts.

 

[Danishoes21]

XENOMORPH
She is buding, and doing Ok overall. Does have some stains as well but considerably less yellow leaf at bottom. The inner buds are getting darker, could be a sign of it getting cold at night... possible purple or darker color finishing. And she looks like a real possibility of finishing by the end of the month or first week of October. So far this is the only plant that has actual potential of giving buds lol I hope she gives at least half a lb (I dream big). She good please hurry up.

 

[Danishoes21]

Keep it coming, Dani! Good work and maybe we can all benefit from your efforts.

What Im liking is the consistent same response on all the phenos, wait to see the clones One of them is showing the same stain.
So that has to mean something, two completly different enviroments same mark.

or am I being too naive.??

 

[Danishoes21]

DUTERTE'S NIGHTMARE
She ain't buding but she is showing pistils. Lets get real guys if she doesnt go indoors she aint making it. She does serve a greater good to be part of the experiment. She displays great health with one minor mark at bottom, looks like the same as the rest. I do love the structure of the pheno, she slowly is showing herself, Im excited but also a realist.
Lets enjoy her while we can.

 

[Danishoes21]

PERSONAL SATIVA
Well it is what it is. No sign of bud, no sign of PM, no signs of stopping the strecth. Officially I cant handle this one, she slipped away the moment I let my guard down. Im happy to see her but she reminds me of what I did wrong this year. Anytime you want to do a Sativa in the northen hemisphere... start light deprevation in JULY. Thanks to the person who F#cked everything up for me, resulting in emergency dig up, repot and dispatch.
She is a dormant beast.