Vancouver Island 2022 Organic Grow

[Danishoes21]

Fantastic. Let us know if any roots did manage to start post-transplant when you harvest. I wouldn't think there's time enough for them to be impactful on the grow but I'm prepared to be happily surprised. Good job, you wouldn't have had a choice really, and you needed to fill those pots to give them the best chance, well-done.

I'm with you partially, I'm thinking once the stem becomes a fibrous stalk I would guess its less likely to develope adventitious roots. I left it for nature to decide. I will be making sure to have a look at the roots and documenting it, I’m curious now. If positive I would be looking to incorporate this to my grows.

How did you make out germ-wise with the seeds? Did you soak and then dirt-nap them immed, or try to grow tails then plant, or...?

The seeds I dumped in water 24 hrs, then used paper towel to gereminate, then planted in soil. I think the like warm temperature to sprout. They could take longer than expected. Any luck?

Clone pots look.... like they never existed! Like a Star-Trek "away team", they've dissolved into atoms.

genius

I think your brews are hugely beneficial to the full organism that is itself critical to survival and vitality. Looking at that cannabis plant we've long assumed is mostly plant material, we now know it is in fact made of more microbial cells than plant cells. Just like us humans. By the number of cells or outright volume, you, I, and Ms. Xenomorph contain more microbial matter than human or "plant" matter respectively. Genes create the natural borders that are our potential, given the best-case scenario, but our microbes are fully responsible for our present health, vitality, and indeed our ability to even approach those borders of potential that our genes define.

I just find this to be such a profound and potentially disruptive piece of knowledge that it still keeps blowing my mind all day, every day.

Those 'crobes needed to take dinner to go just as much as your plant-cell portion of "the plant" did, and you provided, and keep providing to supplement as they become accustomed to their new environment.

One thing I can assure is that they dranked evey single drop of tea I have thrown their way, I find it so fascinating. The more I read the more I wanna try. Im starting a Plantago Major (common plantain) anerobic tea any time soon. I like the mineral profile of this incredibly available weed/herb in the northen hemisphere. Im thinking of using it for foliar spray.

"Plantago Major (common plantain) various key minerals including:

• Magnesium
• Iron
• Calcium
• Plantago contains a variety of nutrients that gives it a host of varied, health benefits. Plantago is a good source of fiber and also contains various important minerals like zinc, copper, calcium, potassium and magnesium. As well as its mineral content, plantain leaves are home to vitamin A, vitamin C and vitamin K.
  Plantago is a great source of various plant chemicals including glycosides, allantoin, tannins, phenols and salicylic acid. These phytcochemicals are powerful, natural antioxidants which can protect us against free radical damage and disease."

 

[Danishoes21]

So much data on the benefit of Silica for plants. Horsetail foliar spray looks very very positive.

Different quotes;

"The different analyses showed the amount of silicon between 2% and 10% in the dry matter of some plant species. It is known that some solutions containing silicon were used for rice growing in China and Japan. Horsetail is characterized by the high amount of silicic acid. Bey [15] made some experiments for the silicon content at horsetails teas. The silicon was extracted by the using some solutions as hexane, dichloromethane, ethanol, methanol, water and hydroxide. The average amount of silicon was about 5 which is 50 g·kg−1 of dry matter. Our results for the silicon concentration in horsetail reached from 2.64% to 4.80% of the dry matter. The lowest amount of silicon was in the range between 1.52% and 2.51%. The plant growth was not influenced by the highest levels of silicon. These results suggested that high silicon concentration in the soil did not cause higher concentrations in the plants tissues. The differences in plants’ growth"

"

Silica – The Overlooked Element That Is Essential For Soil And Plant Health​

For many years we have promoted the importance and benefits of Silica, a common but often overlooked element that is essential for soil and plant health.

In recent times industries such as cotton, sugar cane, small crops, turf and even pastures are recognizing the potential benefits of Silica.

Silicon, often referred to as Silica, is just one of many ‘bio-essential’ minerals. Many crops grown here in Australia such as rice, barley, oats, cotton, wheat, rye, sunflower, corn, sugar cane, potatoes, forage crops and small crops all benefit from high levels of silicic acid in their cell tissues.

Soil microbes convert silica to silicic acid (plant available form) for constant uptake by plants.

The benefits of Silica to your crop
Improved yield
In a trial of sugar cane, applications of silica (calcium silicate) improved the sugar yield by 38%.
Other trials have shown increased growth and yield in grain, legumes, small crops and tree crops.
Silica increases plant tolerance to drought, frost and lodging. Silica strengthens plant cells which means reduced water loss, less frost damage, more root growth and a decrease in lodging.
Fungal disease & pests reduced
Silica increases plant resistance to fungal disease and pest attack because of harder epidermal cells. Reduced brown spot, stem rot, powdery mildew and less caterpillar and aphid attack has resulted from the application of silica.
Benefits in high Salinity areas
Silica improves a plant’s ability to survive and even thrive in high salinity areas.
Increases uptake of plant nutrients…
Silica improves plant photosynthesis and aids in the plant uptake of nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium, zinc and molybdenum. (Sources: Incitec Fertilizer Handbook 1990, Acres USA, Dr Lynette Morgan.).
Silica decreases toxicity
Silica regulates plant uptake of iron, manganese and aluminium thus helping to reduce their toxic effects on plant growth.
Improved colour and growth
Research has found that silica also plays a vital role and is essential for photosynthesis and chlorophyll formation (green colour) in plant leaves.
Availability of Silica in your soil
Silica is converted into plant available form (silicic acid) by soil microbes. If soil is microbe deficient or over-limed, the uptake of silica is reduced. Tests have shown that high organic matter in soil increases soluble silica while liming and the use of Nitrogen or Phosphate fertilizer lowers the soluble silica in soil.
Silica is not translocated in the plant
This means that Silica must be supplied through the entire growth stage if its benefits are to be carried through to all parts of the plant."

The Role of Silica in Field Crops - OMEX

Silica is one of the most abundant elements on earth and can help alleviate the effects of biotic and abiotic stress in plants.

omexcanada.com

 

[Danishoes21]

If you have the time give it a read.

Frontiers | Impact of Combined Abiotic and Biotic Stresses on Plant Growth and Avenues for Crop Improvement by Exploiting Physio-morphological Traits

Global warming leads to the concurrence of a number of abiotic and biotic stresses, thus affecting agricultural productivity. Occurrence of abiotic stresses ...

www.frontiersin.org

 

[Bill284]

If you have the time give it a read.

Frontiers | Impact of Combined Abiotic and Biotic Stresses on Plant Growth and Avenues for Crop Improvement by Exploiting Physio-morphological Traits

Global warming leads to the concurrence of a number of abiotic and biotic stresses, thus affecting agricultural productivity. Occurrence of abiotic stresses ...

www.frontiersin.org

Thanks Amigo lots of great info there.
Hope you are well.




Stay safe
Bill284

 

[ReservoirDog]

Ditto pal, thanks so much for this it is fascinating. I know so little about why I do what I do, one because there is so much to know (and more for every generation to sift through) and two because I take a shortcut by choosing essentially to copy the successes and steer clear of the failures, of others. But this cannot develop a very deep well of knowledge over time. Success, sure, but knowledge, no. You hand out some really great links and I read'm all. I have a lot more time to think than most people, though I often can't read lying in bed dizzy and nauseous I can listen and I use software to have my computer read things aloud to me during these times of the day. Works brilliantly.

 

[Danishoes21]

Ditto pal, thanks so much for this it is fascinating. I know so little about why I do what I do, one because there is so much to know (and more for every generation to sift through) and two because I take a shortcut by choosing essentially to copy the successes and steer clear of the failures, of others. But this cannot develop a very deep well of knowledge over time. Success, sure, but knowledge, no. You hand out some really great links and I read'm all. I have a lot more time to think than most people, though I often can't read lying in bed dizzy and nauseous I can listen and I use software to have my computer read things aloud to me during these times of the day. Works brilliantly.

Live and learn right RD. He who thinks knows everything about something, knows no more than the horizon allows him to see (made that one myself kinda stoned to be honest)…

I like to experiment with cannabis as I feel we are only skimming the surface to what this master plant is capable of.

I blindly believe in homeostasis with cannabis, but we need to build up the pheno to be capable of facing all the natural pests and illnesses out there.

I read from the airport strip farm journal… fern tea??? Fern tea ??? I’m already looking info on that. Not much out there…

Anyway let me know how’s your beans popping??

 

[Azimuth]

I read from the airport strip farm journal… fern tea??? Fern tea ??? I’m already looking info on that. Not much out there…

It's in the Jadam book.

 

[ReservoirDog]

@Azimuth I think we just gotta get D that damn Jadam book somehow, imagine all the field testing that would get done, to our benefit! This guy's committed, and energetic!

 

[Danishoes21]

It's in the Jadam book.

not just horsetail fern, but any other sub species of fern?

 

[Azimuth]

He doesn't talk about horsetail in the Jadam book, just normal ferns you'd see at the edge of a forest. He calls them bracken and it's listed in the "using plant extracts as pesticides" section.

The push for horsetail comes from me and I got it from reading the book "The Regenerative Grower's Guide to Garden Amendments" by Nigel Palmer. He describes many of the KNF and Jadam extractions and how to make them.

At the back of the book are appendices listing various things, one of which is the element profiles of various plants. I took them and tried to figure out good combinations of plants to use to get a broad input without too many moving parts.

 

[greenjeans]

I hope it is this one - I have tons of that - 20' from my gals!!! and it is way easier to pick than horsetail.

I think it is Common Lady Fern.

 

[Azimuth]

That's the one.

 

[Azimuth]

I hope it is this one - I have tons of that - 20' from my gals!!! and it is way easier to pick than horsetail.

I think it is Common Lady Fern.

Ok, let's not get carried away. Horsetail's pretty easy to pick. I mean it practically falls off in your hand.

 

[Danishoes21]

He doesn't talk about horsetail in the Jadam book, just normal ferns you'd see at the edge of a forest. He calls them bracken and it's listed in the "using plant extracts as pesticides" section.

The push for horsetail comes from me and I got it from reading the book "The Regenerative Grower's Guide to Garden Amendments" by Nigel Palmer. He describes many of the KNF and Jadam extractions and how to make them.

At the back of the book are appendices listing various things, one of which is the element profiles of various plants. I took them and tried to figure out good combinations of plants to use to get a broad input without too many moving parts.

Ok thank you Azi, I know you have told us many times about the subject (I hope you have patience ).

I looked up ferns there are 10500 species or sub species , that makes a lot of them. Some are edible by humans and very nutritious, some like bracken are said to be toxic.

The reason I ask what fern is because I would like to try doing a fermented brew of ferns just don’t wanna go picking the toxic one…

If I can bug you with one more; common plantain; does it mention anything related to it? It’s the second most abundant weed after horsetail, and has a mineral profile very interesting.

I just clicked you link with Nigel Palmer.


Thanks again Azimuth

 

[Azimuth]

Ok thank you Azi, I know you have told us many times about the subject (I hope you have patience ).

Ha! No patience needed with this group. Not many are familiar with these concepts and I'm just trying to share my knowledge in the hopes it will help someone interested in the organic route to growing our favorite plant. And no one has denigrated the ideas or been a jerk about it which is kind of surprising given it's kind of outside the main views of most people.

And frankly, I don't really care if there are those who think it won't work and they want to stick with other approaches. If they have something that works for them, then more power to 'em. But, for those with an open mind and willing to try new things, I think this approach offers great possibilities.

I looked up ferns there are 10500 species or sub species , that makes a lot of them. Some are edible by humans and very nutritious, some like bracken are said to be toxic.

The reason I ask what fern is because I would like to try doing a fermented brew of ferns just don’t wanna go picking the toxic one…

Master Cho uses some of the toxic ones to make his insecticides and he's all about organic farming of food. But, a legitimate concern on your part. I don't know enough about that science to know how much of an issue it is. That's especially true for how many of us consume it. By burning the flower, it introduces the possibilities that some of the toxic chemicals will morph into even worse things which may be very different from say washing off a tomato or pepper before you eat it.

If I can bug you with one more; common plantain; does it mention anything related to it? It’s the second most abundant weed after horsetail, and has a mineral profile very interesting.

Don't know about that. The only way I've used plantain is in topical salves. It's very good for skin irritation like bug bites, poison ivy, rashes and the like, but I don't know about the nutrient profile.

 

[Danishoes21]

Ha! No patience needed with this group. Not many are familiar with these concepts and I'm just trying to share my knowledge in the hopes it will help someone interested in the organic route to growing our favorite plant. And no one has denigrated the ideas or been a jerk about it which is kind of surprising given it's kind of outside to main views of most people.

And frankly, I don't really care if there are those who think it won't work and they want to stick with other approaches. If they have something that works for them, then more power to 'em. But, for those with an open mind and willing to try new things, I think this approach offers great possibilities

I’m on the same boat my friend and fellow microbe enthusiast. I know some of the things I’ve done are very controversial and actually got me lots of heat in real time because it’s foul smell, open septic pool looking… you name it. In my defence I always say; hey did you know it’s only weeds in there and rain water? How can it be so bad?

Clearly a different line of security must be taken in place when doing livestock manure teas (high nitrogen).

Anyway I’m a organic grower and open mind and plan to stick to it for long term.

Master Cho uses some of the toxic ones to make his insecticides and he's all about organic farming of food. But, a legitimate concern on your part. I don't know enough about that science to know how much of an issue it is. That's especially true for how many of us consume it. By burning the flower, it introduces the possibilities that some of the toxic chemicals will morph into even worse things which may be very different from say washing off a tomato or pepper before you eat it.

I,ve had fiddleheads before, cooked them and eaten them. I’m aware of the doble even triple blanching to accommodate humans eating it.

But plants don’t really act same as us. So I can go ahead and think any fern will work for this experiment. I’m thinking foliar and ground feeding.

 

[Azimuth]

Clearly a different line of security must be taken in place when doing livestock manure teas (high nitrogen).

And even more than that the possibilities of drugs being fed to the animals, and gmo feeds, etc. being passed down through their guts and into your inputs.

But plants don’t really act same as us. So I can go ahead and think any fern will work for this experiment. I’m thinking foliar and ground feeding.

True, but there is also the possibility of something we don't want lingering on the buds from a foliar spray. All the more reason for bud washing at harvest.

 

[greenjeans]

Horsetail's pretty easy to pick

My horsetail is only about 3" high right now and a little sparse - the fern is all over and huge!!! Plus, I don't bend so good anymore!! The worst part of the day for me is trying to get my socks on!!!

 

[Azimuth]

HTF in these parts is an early spring harvest when everything is wet and before the grasses grow up. I find it a lot in drainage ditches where it's extra wet for a while. It stands up from the surrounding weeds and grasses for a week or two and that's my signal.

I harvested a couple of 5 gal buckets in about 15 minutes last spring.

 

[greenjeans]

I harvested a couple of 5 gal buckets in about 15 minutes last spring.

Wow - that works great!! Mine right now is only about 3 - 4" and grows mostly in my unused shop driveway and abouts - the other fern is thick and high!!