Utopian Submarine - 2000W, Indoor, Perpetual

Yeah I hear you man.by all means I was not putting you down. It'll be cool to see if that's a good height and it works out for you. And I hope you figure out the best way to grow using the scrog most efficently. Good luck, and ill be watching
 
Looking really good Papa. Even though the tops are farther above the screen than might be perfect it looks like the overall canopy height is fairly even, which is ultimately the point. And those are some seriously nice buds you've got going!!

One thing hadn't occurred to me until I saw you pics - are you flowering these plants under CFLs? Are the CFLs for auxiliary lighting, or some other purpose? I'm sure you've covered this earlier in the journal but I couldn't find the specific post. I'm wondering if CFLs might be a better solution for my grow so any info is much appreciated.

Thanks!
 
Yeah I hear you man.by all means I was not putting you down. It'll be cool to see if that's a good height and it works out for you. And I hope you figure out the best way to grow using the scrog most efficently. Good luck, and ill be watching

No worries - I took no offense, I hope you didn't either. I'm happy to talk technique - if there was a "Right" answer we'd all do it.

Looking very frosty. At what ratio of tris do you harvest?

I shoot for 50%. It gets tough at the end to tell. Plus, seems like once you've stopped nutes and water things slow a little. But I try for 50%. Also, remember that amber for each species is a little different. Indicas tend to have a lighter amber than Sativas I think.

Edit: This scrog is being harvested over the course of a week, really 9 days tbh, so there's a range in there for sure. I have not done the smoke report on the SD yet cause its not dried and cured - but early tests tell me its as narcotic a strain as I've ever smoked. It has very little head buzz, has total body and pain killer - I mean like I've never found a smoke that compared with a Vicodin, but this is comparable, and last but not least it knocks you out! Definitely not a daytime smoke. I have tried some at varying times of the day, and after a good nights sleep - and no matter when, it ALWAYS makes me want to go to sleep. So whatever amber this is (I think 40-50%) is plenty for me on this one.

Looking really good Papa. Even though the tops are farther above the screen than might be perfect it looks like the overall canopy height is fairly even, which is ultimately the point. And those are some seriously nice buds you've got going!!

One thing hadn't occurred to me until I saw you pics - are you flowering these plants under CFLs? Are the CFLs for auxiliary lighting, or some other purpose? I'm sure you've covered this earlier in the journal but I couldn't find the specific post. I'm wondering if CFLs might be a better solution for my grow so any info is much appreciated.

Thanks!

Good eye. Those CFLs are a very temporary measure. I had the SD under the 600 until a week ago. I needed to move the big lights to the new room, and those CFLs were a temporary solution just to finish out the scrog. Getting the light out from above was tricky - but moving the entire scrog woulda been impossible.

:peace:

Edit: those CFLs were the ones from my old veg area - total of 750w - 1x250 , 4x125
 
Cloning Thoughts

Just taking a sec to do a little smoking and thinking out loud. The room is purring along. CO2 between 1250-1500 - I'll raise it 250ppm in a few days. Wanted to give the plants a week to settle in. The two AC units are doing the job perfectly. The temps in the res are still a concern - but H2O2 at the first sign killed the soup. And now the res is better. I realized its because the hose that brings the water in was laying in the sun the day I filled it. Oooops.

Its nice to be basically caught up. Gotta get some LST and supercropping done tonight should be fun and I'll take pics.

I'm about to take clones tonight, and I think I'll try a few different ways. If anyone has any thoughts or suggestions on any of the following - please chime in. Although I'm taking enough extras that I'm pretty confident I will have what I need for the next cycle, and I AM feeling experimental - I would still like to do it as well as I can.

So the 4 methods will be:

1 - Rockwool in clone dome with heat pad. This is the old standard. I usually get between 90-100% success rate with this, but I don't feel like its as fast or as easy as it could be.

2 - Neoprene disk in Veg tray - no Clay. I'll put a 3" Neoprene disk at the top of a net pot in the veg tray. The water level only gets to about half an inch into the cup, but the humidity inside the tray should remain 90-99% so I'm hoping.

3 - Neoprene disk in Veg Tray - with Clay. Same as above but I'll fill the net pot with clay. Depending on whether the clone will stand straight in the pot, I may forgo the disk and just try the clay.

4 - Walmart had a minitote bin that was on sale for $5 and I have .5" pvc and a pump, and I bought sprayers at the hydro store today. So I figured for about $12 I could afford to test a DIY aero cloner. So I'll be making that in the next few hours as well - should be fun.

I don't know how many clones I wanna take cause I'm flowering these plants and each is a top I want, but I'll try to get at least one clone from each plant in each system. I'll certainly get pics of it all when they're done.

Any tips or suggestions are appreciated.

:peace:

EDIT: They will all get RootTech clone gel and Olivia's, Hygrozyme, and 1/3 strength Liquid Karma for their nutes.
 
Man that screen of yours always makes my mouth water and kickstarts my itch to grow my own, but alas they don't make soundless fans so it ain't a option as is. Keep up the great work Papa

Actually they do. I'm using one in my grow room that works great with a ceiling fan dimmer switch The only noise it makes is when it's going full blast. It may be used in my updated 6" exhaust system if I ever get off my lazy ass and set it up.

Actually it's only 4" but howls when it's going full blast. I think I payed about $5 many moons ago at a discount tool store. I have some funky looking bigger fans but if you turn down the speed with the dimmer they sound like cement mixers. lol

Here's the label info and a pic.

Comair[+]Rotron
Whisper Model WR2H1
P/N - 027119
115 volt Apr /96

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It's hanging from a spring from the ceiling and I have a 12" oscillating fan bolted to the ceiling set on a timer for 15 min every hour that really mixes the air up.

My exhaust fan never kicks in with just one 400W HID in there and my 5Gal CO2 generator ran out finally and I don't have $20 to spare for sugar to start a new one. Oh well. I'll distill this one and be too drunk to shive a git! :rofl:

I'm making a batch of calcium nitrate at the moment and better go see how the reaction is progressing. Damn near foamed up out of the beaker. Pix to come L8r in my ScroG journal.

:peace:
 
Re: Cloning Thoughts

Just taking a sec to do a little smoking and thinking out loud. The room is purring along. CO2 between 1250-1500 - I'll raise it 250ppm in a few days. Wanted to give the plants a week to settle in. The two AC units are doing the job perfectly. The temps in the res are still a concern - but H2O2 at the first sign killed the soup. And now the res is better. I realized its because the hose that brings the water in was laying in the sun the day I filled it. Oooops.

Its nice to be basically caught up. Gotta get some LST and supercropping done tonight should be fun and I'll take pics.

I'm about to take clones tonight, and I think I'll try a few different ways. If anyone has any thoughts or suggestions on any of the following - please chime in. Although I'm taking enough extras that I'm pretty confident I will have what I need for the next cycle, and I AM feeling experimental - I would still like to do it as well as I can.

So the 4 methods will be:

1 - Rockwool in clone dome with heat pad. This is the old standard. I usually get between 90-100% success rate with this, but I don't feel like its as fast or as easy as it could be.

2 - Neoprene disk in Veg tray - no Clay. I'll put a 3" Neoprene disk at the top of a net pot in the veg tray. The water level only gets to about half an inch into the cup, but the humidity inside the tray should remain 90-99% so I'm hoping.

3 - Neoprene disk in Veg Tray - with Clay. Same as above but I'll fill the net pot with clay. Depending on whether the clone will stand straight in the pot, I may forgo the disk and just try the clay.

4 - Walmart had a minitote bin that was on sale for $5 and I have .5" pvc and a pump, and I bought sprayers at the hydro store today. So I figured for about $12 I could afford to test a DIY aero cloner. So I'll be making that in the next few hours as well - should be fun.

I don't know how many clones I wanna take cause I'm flowering these plants and each is a top I want, but I'll try to get at least one clone from each plant in each system. I'll certainly get pics of it all when they're done.

Any tips or suggestions are appreciated.

:peace:

EDIT: They will all get RootTech clone gel and Olivia's, Hygrozyme, and 1/3 strength Liquid Karma for their nutes.

Shit man I think you got it covered three ways from Sunday! lol

I think my best cloning happens when I just don't care. Every time I mess with domes and extra heat the f'ers just up and die on me. When I stick them in a pot of soil-less mix and spray them a couple of times a day they seem to do just fine sitting a fair distance from the grow light and no dome. Two weeks to a good set of roots seems fine to me. Not the rate a commercial grower wants but fits my schedule AOK.

Everything seems to be coming up rosy for you so I'd be shocked if your cloning goes awry.

:goodluck: and great growing! :yahoo:

:peace:

Damn! I wrote this post an hour ago and forgot to submit it 'till now.

Way too medicated! :rofl:
 
Re: Cloning Thoughts

I think my best cloning happens when I just don't care. Every time I mess with domes and extra heat the f'ers just up and die on me.

If anyone has cloning issues I suggest doing just this: It may sound f'ed up, but my best clones have been ones that i've taken, thrown in an aero-cloner, and ignored, except to change out the water when the roots start to pop.

I don't even spray them more then once a day: It's really good to keep them covered. I read that if you spray your clones too much, they're obviously going to be satisfied with foliar feeding, and not have that extra drive to produce roots to satisfy themselves: There were reports of people keeping clones green and alive just by foliar feeding them far too often.

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Good eye. Those CFLs are a very temporary measure. I had the SD under the 600 until a week ago. I needed to move the big lights to the new room, and those CFLs were a temporary solution just to finish out the scrog. Getting the light out from above was tricky - but moving the entire scrog woulda been impossible.

Okay, whew, I though I'd overlook something terribly obvious. How does the heat generated by 750W of CFLs compare with the heat from a 600W HID?
 
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Okay, whew, I though I'd overlook something terribly obvious. How does the heat generated by 750W of CFLs compare with the heat from a 600W HID?

The 250 puts out some heat. But none are hot enough that they compare with the HID individually. I have moved around CFL bulbs with power to the outlets. Turn them off and you can touch with your hand in about 2 seconds. The total heat generated is probably equivalent to a small HID and ballast. The 600 will cook your plant too close. The plant would basically need to be touching one of these bulbs.
 
Hey whats up Papa G?
I hope all is well with you and yours, sorry I have been away awhile but it was unavoidable. I was re-reading this journal trying to catch up on what I missed but everyday I stop at 420 for a minute and there is another 3 pages posted when I lift up my head.
Great Journal it is complete with great members, informative posts, valued info, even charts!!
Papa I'm pulling up a chair and and getting comfortable:goodjob: +Rep
 
Hey whats up Papa G?
I hope all is well with you and yours, sorry I have been away awhile but it was unavoidable. I was re-reading this journal trying to catch up on what I missed but everyday I stop at 420 for a minute and there is another 3 pages posted when I lift up my head.
Great Journal it is complete with great members, informative posts, valued info, even charts!!
Papa I'm pulling up a chair and and getting comfortable:goodjob: +Rep


Thanks! Great to have you back! Things are going well - hectic as usual. Taking a quick break and finishing some gardening and pics. Good post later I hope.

:peace:
 
THC, CBD Info

This info is from another site. You can find which one by just copying any 10 words into a Google search. I just wanted it here for my own reference.





Marijuana

Cannabinoids (THC, CBD, CBN...)



The Active Ingredients Of Cannabis

Cannabis products include marijuana, hashish, and hashish oil.
THC (Tetrahydrocannabinol) gets a user high, a larger THC content will produce a stronger high. Without THC you don't get high.
CBD (Cannabidiol) increases some of the effects of THC and decreases other effects of THC. High levels of THC and low levels of CBD contribute to a strong, clear headed, more energetic high.
Cannabis that has a high level of both THC and CBD will produce a strong head-stone that feels almost dreamlike. Cannabis that has low levels of THC and high levels of CBD produces more of a stoned feeling. The mind feels dull and the body feels tired.
CBN (Cannabinol) is produced as THC ages and breaks down, this process is known as oxidization. High levels of CBN tend to make the user feel messed up rather than high.
CBN levels can be kept to a minimum by storing cannabis products in a dark, cool, airtight environment. Marijuana should be dry prior to storage, and may have to be dried again after being stored somewhere that is humid.
THCV (Tetrahydrocannabivarin) is found primarily in strains of African and Asian cannabis. THCV increases the speed and intensity of THC effects, but also causes the high to end sooner. Weed that smells strong (prior to smoking) might indicate a high level of THCV.
CBC (Cannabichromene) is probably not psychoactive in pure form but is thought to interact with THC to enhance the high.
CBL (Cannabicyclol) is a degradative product like CBN. Light converts CBC to CBL.
If you are a grower, you can experiment with different strains of cannabis to produce the various qualities you seek. A medical user looking for something with sleep inducing properties might want to produce a crop that has high levels of CBD.
Another user looking for a more energetic high will want to grow a strain that has high levels of THC and low levels of CBD. In general, Cannabis sativa has lower levels of CBD and higher levels of THC. Cannabis indica has higher amounts of CBD and lower amounts of THC than sativa. See marijuana strains.

For a more scientific description, see below for an excerpt from marijuana growers guide by Mel Frank.
Cannabis is unique in many ways. Of all plants, it is the only genus known to produce chemical substances known as herbal cannabinoids. These cannabinoids are the psychoactive ingredients of marijuana; they are what get you high, buzzed, or stoned. By 1974, there were 37 naturally occurring cannabinoids that had been discovered.
There are 3 types of cannabinoids:
--- Herbal: occur naturally only in the cannabis plant
--- Endogenous: occur naturally in humans and other animals
--- Synthetic: cannabinoids produced in a lab
Most of the cannabinoids appear in very small amounts (less than .01 percent of total cannabinoids) and are not considered psychoactive, or else not important to the high. Many are simply homologues or analogues (similar structure or function) to the few major cannabinoids which are listed.
There are several numbering systems used for cannabinoids. The system used here is based on formal chemical rules for numbering pyran compounds (any of a class of organic compounds of the heterocyclic series in which five carbon atoms and one oxygen atom are present in a ring structure). Another common system is used more by Europeans and is based on a monoterpenoid system which is more useful considering the biogenesis of the compound.

Tetrahydrocannabinol - THC

Delta 9-trans-tetrahydrocannabinol - delta-9 THC is the main psychotomimetic (mindbending) ingredient of marijuana. Estimates state that 70 to 100 percent of the marijuana high results from the delta-9 THC present. It occurs in almost all cannabis in concentrations that vary from traces to about 95 percent of all the cannabinoids in the sample.
In very potent strains, carefully prepared marijuana can be 30 percent delta-9 THC by dry weight (seeds and stems removed from flowering buds). Buds are the popular name given to masses of female flowers that form distinct clusters.
Delta 8-trans-tetrahydrocannabinol - delta-8 THC is reported in low concentration, less than one percent of the delta-9 THC present. Its activity is slightly less than that of delta-9 THC. It may be an artefact of the extraction/analysis process. Almost everyone who uses the term THC, refers to delta-9 THC and delta-8 THC combined, as THC.

Cannabidiol - CBD

Cannabidiol - CBD also occurs in almost all strains. Concentration range from none, to about 95 percent of the total cannabinoids present. THC and CBD are the two most abundant naturally occurring cannabinoids. CBD is not psychotomimetic in the pure form, although it does have sedative, analgesic, and antibiotic properties.
In order for CBD to affect the high, THC must be present in quantities ordinarily psychoactive. CBD can contribute to the high by interacting with THC to potentiate (enhance) or antagonize (interfere or lessen) certain qualities of the high.
CBD appears to potentiate the depressant effects of THC and antagonize is excitatory effects. CBD also delays the onset of the high but can make it last considerably longer (as much as twice as long). The kind of grass that takes a while to come on but keeps coming on.
Opinions are conflicting as to whether it increases or decreases the intensity of the high, intensity and high being difficult to define. Terms such as knock-out or sleepy, dreamlike, or melancholic are often used to describe the high from grass with sizeable proportions of CBD and THC.
When only small amounts of THC are present with high proportions of CBD, the high is more of a buzz, and the mind feels dull and the body de-energized.

Cannabinol - CBN

Cannabinol - CBN is not produced by the plant per se. It is the degradation (oxidative) product of THC. Fresh samples of marijuana contain very little CBN but curing, poor storage, or processing such as when making hashish, can cause much of the THC to be oxidized to CBN. Pure forms of CBN have at most 10 percent of the psychoactivity of THC.
Like CBD, it is suspected of potentiating certain aspects of the high, although so far these effects appear to be slight. CBN seems to potentiate THC's disorienting qualities. One may feel more dizzy or drugged or generally messed up but not necessarily higher.
In fact, with a high proportion of CBN, the high may start well but feels as if it never quite reaches its peak, and when coming down one feels tired or sleepy. High CBN in homegrown grass is not desirable since it represents a loss of 90 percent of the psychoactivity of its precursor THC.

Tetrahydrocannabivarin - THCV

Tetrahydrocannabivarin - THCV or THV is the propyl homologue of THC. In the aromatic ring the usual five-carbon pentyl is replaced by a short three-carbon propyl chain. The propyl cannabinoids have so far been found in some strains originating from Southeast and Central Asia and parts of Africa.
In one study, THCV made up to 48.23 percent (Afghanistan strain) and 53.69 percent (South Africa) of the cannabinoids found. We've seen no reports on its activity in humans. From animal studies it appears to be much faster in onset and quicker to dissipate than THC. It may be the constituent of one or two toke grass, but its activity appears to be somewhat less than that of THC. Some people use the term THC to refer collectively to delta-9 THC, delta-8 THC, and THCV.
An interesting note is that people who have a prescription for Marinol (synthetic medical THC) may be tested for THCV. Marinol contains no THCV, if a person tests positive it means they have been using marijuana, or another cannabis product. This is usually sufficient grounds to terminate the prescription of a person who has signed a contract not to ingest any cannabis while taking Marinol.

Cannabichromene - CBC

Cannabichromene - CBC is another major cannabinoid, although it is found in smaller concentrations than CBD and THC. It was previously believed that is was a minor constituent, but more exacting analysis showed that the compound often reported as CBD may actually be CBC.
Relative to THC and CBD, its concentration in the plants is low, probably not exceeding 20 percent of total cannabinoids. CBC is believed not to be psychotomimetic in humans; however, its presence in plants is purportedly very potent has led to the suspicion that it may be interacting with THC to enhance the high.

Cannabicyclol - CBL

Cannabicyclol (CBL) is a degradative product like CBN. During extraction, light converts CBC to CBL. There are no reports on its activity in humans, and it is found in small amounts, if at all, in fresh plant material.

Cannabinoids And The High

The marijuana high is a complex experience. It involves a wide range of psychical, physical, and emotional responses. The high is a subjective experience based in the individual and one's personality, mood, disposition, and experience with the drug.
Given the person, the intensity of the high depends primarily on the amount of THC present in the marijuana. Delta-9 THC is the main ingredient of marijuana and must be present in sufficient quantities for a good marijuana high.
People who smoke grass that has very little cannabinoids other than delta-9 THC usually report that the high is very intense. Most people that don't smoke daily will feel something from a joint having delta-9 THC of 3 percent concentration to material.
Cannabis products having a THC concentration of 5-10 percent would be considered good, 10-25 percent would be considered very good, and over 25 percent would be excellent quality by daily users standards. In general, we use potency to mean the sum effects of the cannabinoids and the overall high induced.
Marijuana is sometimes rated more potent than the content of delta-9 THC alone would suggest. It also elicits qualitatively different highs. The reasons for this have not been sorted out. Few clinical studies with known combinations of several cannabinoids have been undertaken with human subjects.
So far, different highs and possibly higher potency seem to be due to the interaction of delta-9 THC and other cannabinoids (THCV,CBD,CBN, and possibly CBC). Except for THCV, in the pure form, these other cannabinoids do not have much psychoactivity.
Another possibility for higher potency is that homologues of delta-9 THC with longer side chains at C-3 (and higher activity) might be found in certain marijuana strains.
Compounds with longer side chains have been made in laboratories and their activity is sometimes much higher, with estimates over 500 times that of natural delta-9 THC.
The possibility that there are non-cannabinoids that are psychoactive or interacting with the cannabinoids has not been investigated in detail. Non-cannabinoids with biological activity have been isolated from the plants, but only in very small quantities.
None are known to be psychotomimetic. However, they may contribute to the overall experience in non-mental ways, such as the stimulation of the appetite.
Different blends of cannabinoids account for the different qualities of intoxication produced by different strains of cannabis. The intensity of the high depends primarily on the amount of delta-9 THC present and on the method of ingestion.
A complex drug such as marijuana affects the mind and body in many ways. Sorting out what accounts for what response can become quite complex.
 
Pics Update

OK - got some pics. Kind of all over the place. Too tired to really post much about them.

My nicely emptied mom's area. Now I only have the two Barney's Farm Strains there under a 400mh. I'm mostly posting this so I can reference it in a few days after I have clipped them a little.
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The Volde has proven to be very tricky to get right. So I'm holding 3 recovering ones in Veg while I get a few more together. These were struggling badly, but they have evened out. Others were not so lucky. So here's one that was topped, and now first day of LST.
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Here are two pics of a cola I think will be a foot long - assuming it fills in.
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man, consistently your always displaying sweet photo's, that in their own way, relay a mass amount of visual info. Nice bud, very nice.
Gota come back to the info, im feeling abit cactus tonight im afraid.
 
man, consistently your always displaying sweet photo's, that in their own way, relay a mass amount of visual info. Nice bud, very nice.
Gota come back to the info, im feeling abit cactus tonight im afraid.

Thanks, bro. I try to do some that are documentary, and some that are eye candy.

what kind of light do you have in the last pic above the flowering ladies?

Heheh. I thought about playing a late April Fools and pretending I had a new LED HID hybrid light. Nope. Just a 600w HPS. I white balanced under the light, no flash. Then when the flash went off it turned everything blue. I was just trying to get that damn measuring tape in the pic so I could read the numbers.

:peace:
 
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