Turbo Bucket's Take On RADDWC: Grow Room Build-Up
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Hey man just a cool read. Made me think of our conversation the other day. Makes sense too too much k inhibits manganese so that's probably what I was seeing on my plant.
But it was cool to read about feed levels etc. And its be cool to see you experiment with some of these variables
Can you link to your plant you thought had that issue? That’s what I ‘think’ I encountered during flower on my bulk from too much iron locking it out... just curious to see if our issue looks the same.
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Yea that looks like an interesting read. I'll have to dig into it.
Thanks dude. This is what my issue looked like, was super frustrating, felt like a dog chasing it’s tail. I didn’t know if it was lights, nutes, fungus... then came across a photo of a manganese deficiency that looked almost identical and a a note about its relation to iron. I had been feeding this plant a TON of cal-mag, so my theory is the buildup of iron in the res locked out manganese. A deep flush with chelates ultimately cleared it, but I’ll forever wonder if that’s actually what it was or not. Nothing worse than issues in mid-flower.
Yeah always learning with this plant! I tend to flip out when it's an immobile nutrient that effects the sugar leaf. Luckily it seems like we both caught it!Thanks dude. This is what my issue looked like, was super frustrating, felt like a dog chasing it’s tail. I didn’t know if it was lights, nutes, fungus... then came across a photo of a manganese deficiency that looked almost identical and a a note about its relation to iron. I had been feeding this plant a TON of cal-mag, so my theory is the buildup of iron in the res locked out manganese. A deep flush with chelates ultimately cleared it, but I’ll forever wonder if that’s actually what it was or not. Nothing worse than issues in mid-flower.
That's honestly the biggest thing is catching mistakes before they get out of hand. A good (not necessarily experienced) grower can do that. People get into trouble when they ignore it, or think it will work itself out. Not in a hydro set up. Flush and reset! But that's what's nice too is issues show themselves in a day or 2 and can be corrected just as quickly. Soil can be 2 to 5 times the wait. And then you've over watered them too....
@TurboBucket shed posted another link from that site that claims the no flush principle as well. idk that I'm sold, but it's looking like theres some merit to the arguement. I'm still confused then as to what causes a harsh sparkling smoke who's ash never goes white? I know moisture contributes to that, but idk what else it could be....
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The chlorophyll as I understand it is a big contributor to the fireworks bowls. The color of the ash is more related to the temp it burns at more than what it's made off. Some wood burns white ash some leaves dark ash, usually a hotter fire leaves less ash
I’m going to stay away from the flush stuff as it’s too controversial on here.
What I can say Dab is what I’m coming to realize (in my own growing) is it’s all about how light one can feed, not how heavy. The lighter I’m feeding, the better my plants are looking across the board (and I just keep feeding less). I hate seeing jacked up plants with burnt tips, etc.. Pot is very easy to grow, perfectly dialed in pot is not, and that’s where my current passion is these days. I want beautiful, aesthetically pleasing, clean, well flushed weed
...and to try new stuff along the way.
What I can say Dab is what I’m coming to realize (in my own growing) is it’s all about how light one can feed, not how heavy. The lighter I’m feeding, the better my plants are looking across the board (and I just keep feeding less). I hate seeing jacked up plants with burnt tips, etc.. Pot is very easy to grow, perfectly dialed in pot is not, and that’s where my current passion is these days. I want beautiful, aesthetically pleasing, clean, well flushed weed
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I'll make my thoughts on flush well known. I don't flush mine anymore. I did on my second and third harvests with no improvements. I feed pretty low (around 450ppm) compared to most and I feed until the day I chop. No fireworks bowls here.
I know I'm "soilless" but I treat it like dirt not hydro.
I know I'm "soilless" but I treat it like dirt not hydro.
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Exactly. It's all about what everyone likes for themselves
So I'm not for or against one or the other either...
I will say that it seems clear that with "proper cure" it shouldn't matter. However, I jarred my stuff yesterday and the first words out of peoples mouth have all been, "wow, it's so smooth".
It's clear there are no more or less nutrients in the buds as a result of flush so the nutrients are not contributing to any "harshness" people report (myself included). But I did read that flushing basically alerts the plant that its dying and the processes that occur during the cure process initiate while the buds are still on the plant. So that would make sense that flushing DOESN'T matter as long as you can get it cured up nicely!
I didn't know that about the chlorophyll. Great info. I also think my strawberry kush was harsh by nature so not a great baseline lol.
And the plants are looking spot on man. Keep it up
I will say that it seems clear that with "proper cure" it shouldn't matter. However, I jarred my stuff yesterday and the first words out of peoples mouth have all been, "wow, it's so smooth".
It's clear there are no more or less nutrients in the buds as a result of flush so the nutrients are not contributing to any "harshness" people report (myself included). But I did read that flushing basically alerts the plant that its dying and the processes that occur during the cure process initiate while the buds are still on the plant. So that would make sense that flushing DOESN'T matter as long as you can get it cured up nicely!
I didn't know that about the chlorophyll. Great info. I also think my strawberry kush was harsh by nature so not a great baseline lol.
And the plants are looking spot on man. Keep it up
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Yup the cure is the great equalizer haha. Months worth of work hang in the balance over a few week span. I'm hoping to get a tent solely for drying by the end of the summer.
Interested to know if you've ever considered that low and slow method? I havent. Too scared to lose a harvest to mold, not to mention it wouldn't be allowed by the wife lol. Also I like they looks of buds that are hung, the paper bags seem to flatten nugs out, but one day I'll try it. It's supposed to preserve terps and stuff, which is always worth it if you can!
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I have indeed. It's cool, it definitely changes the feeling of the buds in your fingers. They take on an almost silky feel. Very soft, they break up about the same, the aroma was different from the regularly cured buds. More of the lighter terpenes were still in there. It was very floral/slightly tropical with a big ole Earth punch on the back end.
As you mentioned I'm not crazy about smushed nugs either. And I really like hanging the plant whole. Getting at least a week worth of drying seems to have made the biggest difference in final smoke for me so far. The time it takes is another downfall to low and slow. You end with one more thing to do everyday/couple days.
So for me to run low and slow now I would want/need a walk-in cooler haha. Not sure the old man would appreciate me hanging a bunch of dope in the deer cooler though.
I'm hoping to get a new tent that I can seal up and leave a humidifier in. Wash everything and give it a nice slow two week dry. I start low at 45% the first day, after it settles in at 45%rh with lights on I shut the lights off and let it stabilize at 45% again. The next day it goes up to 50 for couple days, then to 55% for days 4-5 and back up to 60% for the last 2-3 days.
The idea is to dry the outside enough to continue pulling moisture out without collapsing the cell structure so far that the moisture is trapped inside. By increasing the ambient humidity it allows the crop to homogenize a couple of times so they all dry at a more even pace.
As you mentioned I'm not crazy about smushed nugs either. And I really like hanging the plant whole. Getting at least a week worth of drying seems to have made the biggest difference in final smoke for me so far. The time it takes is another downfall to low and slow. You end with one more thing to do everyday/couple days.
So for me to run low and slow now I would want/need a walk-in cooler haha. Not sure the old man would appreciate me hanging a bunch of dope in the deer cooler though.
I'm hoping to get a new tent that I can seal up and leave a humidifier in. Wash everything and give it a nice slow two week dry. I start low at 45% the first day, after it settles in at 45%rh with lights on I shut the lights off and let it stabilize at 45% again. The next day it goes up to 50 for couple days, then to 55% for days 4-5 and back up to 60% for the last 2-3 days.
The idea is to dry the outside enough to continue pulling moisture out without collapsing the cell structure so far that the moisture is trapped inside. By increasing the ambient humidity it allows the crop to homogenize a couple of times so they all dry at a more even pace.
Dude, awesome write up and explanation! You may be on to something with that walk in, lol. One day buddy, one day!
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I have an evaporator and condenser skid to build a 15sq ft walk-in or rebuild a nice 3 door reach-in sitting in the garage. Too many other projects on the list first. Like you said, someday though lol
Couple pics from today.
Tent #1 these got way bigger than I anticipated. The twice daily watering definitely makes bigger plants than watering every couple of days. I'm going to add a bigger reservoir so I can feed even more frequently right now I have to refill the bucket after every cycle.
The late entry G-Bomb are a couple weeks behind the rest which will throw the rotation off. I was planning to shut the flower tents down through July to avoid being an energy hog but I may shut one down for June and or August as well.
Tent #2 doing their thing.
I finally used up the last of my silica blast from botanicare so I switched over to protekt from dynago. The last week or so I have been adding in a little bit of pk booster for these girls. I was using the last of my hydroplex (0-10-6)from botanicare but it's got too much K and not enough P for using with the terpinator so I picked up a little bottle of mag pro (2-15-4) from dynagro to see how that works. The foliage pro and terpinator has been great so far. Just trying for a little better.
Couple pics from today.
Tent #1 these got way bigger than I anticipated. The twice daily watering definitely makes bigger plants than watering every couple of days. I'm going to add a bigger reservoir so I can feed even more frequently right now I have to refill the bucket after every cycle.
Tent #2 doing their thing.
I used Mag Pro last couple of grows and seems to boost flavors in hydro set ups.
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I agree no flush here also. I’ve done them both ways. With no difference noticed.