Trala’s Tent

[Trala]

umm yes ma’am I would believe that bags of supplements could become breeding grounds for pests… but I don’t think this is the source of your problem

hold on to your pants… but think the source lies somewhere between watering too frequently in veg and upcan too quickly that sets up the chance for fusarium wilt and or bud rot

I“m confident I don’t know beans about your Aussie environment but I don’t think the soil dries out all the way to the bottom and this creates an opportunity for pathogens to thrive. On the faq boards there are some who post that letting soil dry out all the way is very detrimental…. I don’t see it this way… I’m guessing excess heat or a killing frost does nothing to microbes unless it’s baked in oven or frozen at sub-zero for extended periods of time. Even after that I bet microbes restart them selves when water is added to soil or heck we all buy sponsored fizz from Microbes-R-Us to boost them again anyway.

Our plants do just fine when the soil gets bone dry…. now obviously there are limits to everything - you wouldn’t want her to dry out for 2 weeks in the hot sun unless you just want to torture / kill your crew. But when the soil totally dries out is precisely when the root expansion begins. When it’s bone dry is when roots start creeping to find water…. plants freely build roots in veg but that slows / stops in flower.

I had 3 Pakistan Valley clones that succumbed to fusarium wilt in conjunction with overwatering and upcan too fast. Anytime you have a plant die off like that I’d suggest dumping that particular batch of soil far away from your home to remove spores

root pics 1st is nearly dried out then second pic is 2 days later….. do those roots look dead? Nope all the fine fuzz in 2nd pic is tiny root hairs looking for water

Dunno Tra….. I don’t have all the answers fer sure but I’ve lost about 6 plants to what appeared to be fusarium wilt.

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Hope you enjoy your time with the little ones

Shhhhhhhh! You’ll wake him! He is finally down for a sleep lol.

Omg he is hard work! Cute af, but hard work! Lol

I will take what you’ve said on board. I know you get a bit stuck on the way I water but… lolll. 013, I have been watering plants my whole life, granted not weed, but plants in general. I know which ones need more ie my ferns, and which need less, my succulents. I know which ones need sun and which need shade. If it’s a new plant I’m not sure about, I watch them, listen to them. I see when the heat/sun/shade doesn’t agree with them and move them accordingly. It’s neither a new concept nor an area I feel I struggle with when growing.

When I first joined, I followed the popular water directions in here and my plants all suffered terribly and would have got worse if I continued. It’s a shame Billpopy79 doesn’t post here coz he would clarify. I would post pics asking for help and every response, including his, was saying “overwater”, “leaves are swollen with water”, “too much water”. For some reason I forgot I can actually grow plants in general and I tried to reinvent my grow wheel. I followed the advice and they just kept getting droopier, leaves down turned and depressed. Privately I said to Bill, I’m going to follow my gut, they need water, which he encouraged, and I did, and my plants thrived for me as my reward. While there is so so SO much I don’t know, particularly on how to flower or nute ratio, I know when a plant needs watering. Or when a plant is struggling. I know with this particular plant their leaves in veg are meant to be proud, open, slightly raised to absorb that beautiful sunlight, they should shine with, health, vibrance and green, not be dull, downturned and unhappy.

And just so you know, I don’t just guess. I know how my pots feel dry, I know by how their foliage looks. I know their weight starving and I know their weight full. I know when to skip, for example it has poured with rain the last two days and the air is thick with moisture. The big flower girls didn’t need a drop of water. In fact the Peyote drinks less every day. For the last week she has only needed second daily watering. Only my Mimosa’s needed watering this week, and they only needed 2L each. I know when they need twice day watering. I also know a quick spray with the hose in the morning really only washes their leaves. You just have to stand out in the pouring rain for a few minutes to know, if you stand under the wide thick canopy of a tree’s foliage you won’t get as wet. The bulk of the water misses the root system as it runs off the leaves and falls outside the pots. I only give the pots a squirt if the plants foliage looks super thirsty in the arvo when I’m watering the garden.

I want you to keep one thing in mind. Since trusting my own watering instincts, I have always watered this way, and this is the first time in all my grows since joining that this has happened. I am taking what you have said on board, I really am but… lol. If this was water related or uppot related it would happen every grow, or at least a couple of grows. Not to just one plant in, omg I don’t even know how many plants I’ve grown since joining, but it’s a lot. Fingers crossed I haven’t jinxed myself.

I only wrote the bible lengthed wall of words because I feel you have questioned the way I water quite a few times, and tried to tie it to problems when growing. I feel 96.7% sure this has nothing to do with watering. But an open to being wrong and I always appreciate your advice and feedback. Xo

PS They all got sprayed. My War on Mites continues. I’ve got Bubbles under a primo light spot as she has had shade thrown in coz it’s rained here since Tuesday and the big flower girls always get the primo spots.

 

[Trala]

She looks real good, T- but...that bulb should be about 6 inches closer to her- you don't want her to climb too much at her age.
I use 2 led bulbs 4" above the plants when they're little like that- led's put off almost no heat, so putting the light closer won't hurt a thing.
And- I went back 4 or 5 pages, and didn't see the wilt, although I doubt it was the blood n bone that caused it.

Oh hello C Star

I’ve missed your face!

Are you feeling better?

Oh it’s not recent. I was talking about that wilt thing Mimmy had. Just reflecting really as to what the problem might have been. Same sounding thing happened to my sons mate. He diagnosed it as that soil infection.

Omg thank you. I have zero idea about lights too! My terrorist is sleeping in there. As soon as he wakes, I’ll break out the ruler and get that pot on some blocks and raise her 15.24cm

 

[DV8]

Im right with you Trala, in fact I would almost go a step further and say this over/under water discussion in the canna world, in general, not just this thread or site, gets blown WAY out of proportion.

There is a ton of middle ground between them.

And the root ball correlation is at best growers information.

I think guidance is great, but it seems like theres some rules being overlaid on top of canna growing that arent necessary.

If I was a commercial horticultural grower of produce and watered those plants under canna only advice, the results would be terrible.

Take tomatoes. High feeders, heat tolerant, and are quasi annuals. They need a high calcium uptake, and can be trimmed and trained in a similar way to cannas.

If you stick them in a pot, and water on the cusp of wilt and only to run off, let the topsoil dry out, and only ammend on deficiencies, and defol heavy then youd have shit tomatoes. And they would taste like garbage. No science needed.

I almost feel weve strayed too far into avoiding over watering that the guidelines are just moving grows from bad practice inherent in gardens, to not so bad instead of optimal.

These plants will grow in hempy and dwc, water on its own its not the issue needing to dwelled on. Its container environment

 

[013]

from the board room, to the ER and over to the grow room - you know I believe in your skills and trust you implicitly….

If… it is fusarium wilt then an appropriate fungicide might be the answer, one of the most powerful natural fungicides is turmeric…. same goes for horsetails or nettles….. outside link on fusarium wilt in cannabis Fusarium wilt

trichoderma is a fungus that counteracts fusarium wilt. trichoderma is listed often as a beneficial bacteria in canna microbe products but fusarium thrives in warm environments.

didn’t you have a tiny mushroom in one of your containers a while back? Fusarium can ride in with mycelium

 

[Trala]

Im right with you Trala, in fact I would almost go a step further and say this over/under water discussion in the canna world, in general, not just this thread or site, gets blown WAY out of proportion.

There is a ton of middle ground between them.

And the root ball correlation is at best growers information.

I think guidance is great, but it seems like theres some rules being overlaid on top of canna growing that arent necessary.

If I was a commercial horticultural grower of produce and watered those plants under canna only advice, the results would be terrible.

Take tomatoes. High feeders, heat tolerant, and are quasi annuals. They need a high calcium uptake, and can be trimmed and trained in a similar way to cannas.

If you stick them in a pot, and water on the cusp of wilt and only to run off, let the topsoil dry out, and only ammend on deficiencies, and defol heavy then youd have shit tomatoes. And they would taste like garbage. No science needed.

I almost feel weve strayed too far into avoiding over watering that the guidelines are just moving grows from bad practice inherent in gardens, to not so bad instead of optimal.

These plants will grow in hempy and dwc, water on its own its not the issue needing to dwelled on. Its container environment

My climate is so so hot. I feel I have to explain my water actions LOLLLL. In December by the time I got home from work, my plants would be drooping. To the point my first 2L would run straight through them. This is on than back of 3L they were fed 8 hr previously. I had to actually physically move my pots so they would only get 0800-1300 sunlight coz the afternoon sun was just too much for them. They looked hot, dry and miserable.

I understand that the bulk of the growers here grow in different heat. And to them my watering style makes people pearl clutch. But here, with no rain, your front lawn is dirt for 3 months. Queensland heat is next level. My lux averages 150 000 whatever’s by 10:00. We are the number 1 melanoma capital of the world. THE WORLD!

I’m not going to pretend to know the science, but I genuinely love plants and I can spot an unhappy one from 100 metres away with the sun in my eyes. In fact I do. Wherever I am. I am the visitor who can’t concentrate on a word you say until I water your half dead maidenhair fern and move it from the direct sun. I’m the customer in Big W that tells staff they need to water in their garden section ASAP. I’m the person who walks past your elderly neighbours house and notices that a creeper is taking over their azalea, so I stop and pull it off. Not. Even. Joking.

While there is loads I don’t know. I know how to water a plant. Well I think I do.

 

[Trala]

from the board room, to the ER and over to the grow room - you know I believe in your skills and trust you implicitly….

If… it is fusarium wilt then an appropriate fungicide might be the answer, one of the most powerful natural fungicides is turmeric…. same goes for horsetails or nettles….. outside link on fusarium wilt in cannabis Fusarium wilt

trichoderma is a fungus that counteracts fusarium wilt. trichoderma is listed often as a beneficial bacteria in canna microbe products but fusarium thrives in warm environments.

didn’t you have a tiny mushroom in one of your containers a while back? Fusarium can ride in with mycelium

I know you do K

It does sound like it. And thank you for looking it up. We had some really hot days around that time. I’d never seen that wilting before, and I hope to never see it again.

Do you think I should treat it prophylactically or do you think wait and see?

Hmmm I don’t remember tbh. I just thought it was weird my sons friend had it too. First time ever for him as well. Tho he is having ongoing trouble. Mine appears to be a one off *literally touching wood*

 

[Trala]

Operation Blue: 15.24cm



She looked so much happier

Please stop helping GG…. Lolllll (and @Carcass that is a rise of exactly 15.2cm)

I was doing a bit of rolling around on the floor with my grandson and looked up. I think this pic looks so lovely. You get that faux sun little girl

 

[Trala]

Think my last 2 got stopped. Might have to try Herbies...good job.

Deeve it would make me so happy to send you two.

Your pick too. Only two you can’t have are my Shiskaberry and my Wedding Cake.

Actually I have x2 Gorilla Glue Autos and x2 Amnesia Lemons. We could have a State of Origin grow.

If not, here are your choices.

If you have a safe address, please PM me, and we can make this happen. I can have them in the mail tomoz.

 

[DV8]

Fuck you wouldnt read about it, one bounced out into general post this arvo with the Barneys included!

Usually when they send the awaiting clearance and more than 3 days pass, its gone-ski, but hey, its a xmas in Feb miracle.

Ive sent you deets, fuck Im on top of the world right now.

 

[Trala]

Fuck you wouldnt read about it, one bounced out into general post this arvo with the Barneys included!

Usually when they send the awaiting clearance and more than 3 days pass, its gone-ski, but hey, its a xmas in Feb miracle.

Ive sent you deets, fuck Im on top of the world right now.

I always have colourfully stamped envelopes. I send my 4yo grandson a book/stickers etc every month (even tho he lives less than 10 minutes away), because he just loves checking the mailbox and waving to the mailman. I will have them in the post tomorrow

 

[HashGirl]

Omg!

O M G !

So my seeds landed yesterday, and my son just dropped off my grandson and look!

Herbies seeds gave me not one, not two, not three, not four, oh hang on, it’s four, FOUR extra free seeds.

I bought two, got two free extras as per their site, and they sent FOUR more! Add not only that! I got them wrapped in socks, so now I have my bf birthday present sorted! Man can never have too many black socks!

HERBIES SEEDS FTW!

It looks like you get to grow autos now. Boo will be happy.

I’m not going to pretend to know the science, but I genuinely love plants and I can spot an unhappy one from 100 metres away with the sun in my eyes. In fact I do. Wherever I am. I am the visitor who can’t concentrate on a word you say until I water your half dead maidenhair fern and move it from the direct sun. I’m the customer in Big W that tells staff they need to water in their garden section ASAP. I’m the person who walks past your elderly neighbours house and notices that a creeper is taking over their azalea, so I stop and pull it off. Not. Even. Joking.

While there is loads I don’t know. I know how to water a plant. Well I think I do.

My dad is like this, too. I'm this way regarding spelling.

Operation Blue: 15.24cm


I was doing a bit of rolling around on the floor with my grandson and looked up. I think this pic looks so lovely. You get that faux sun little girl

⬆︎ This would be a good photo to enter in the Photo of the Month contest.

 

[013]

You take the most amazing photos, GiGis‘ buddy sure is handsome!!! Woo-hoo I’m beaming with excitement about another round of new beans for you. Watch out Wedding Cake!

Just curious but what’s your average summer temps??

By the time we see or suspect fusarium it’s too late. Watering with H202 will kill fusarium wilt plus it will kill microbes too but of course the microbes can be refreshed later.

Below is copied from that last outside link

How to prevent and control Fusarium​

Since there is no known effective remedy against the attack of these fungi, the key, in this case more than ever, is prevention. Hence, the first thing you need to do is strive to prevent the conditions conducive to the development of Fusarium in your cannabis crop: warm and acidic substrates and irrigation with nutrients at a temperature above 28 degrees generate the conditions ideal for this fungus to appear.

Here you have a series of measures that you can adopt to prevent a Fusarium attack against your plants:

• Try to keep the substrate temperature below 30 degrees.
• Cleaning, cleaning and more cleaning! The hygiene of your cannabis crop and the tools that you use are essential.
• Avoid overfertilisation with nitrogen. You can disinfect the soil by applying hydrogen peroxide, which, besides averting the effects of the Fusarium fungi, will also serve to oxygenate your crop's substrate. Between 20 and 30 cc of hydrogen peroxide per litre of water will be sufficient.
• As a biological control measure you can add Trichoderma to the substrate, a fungus that counteracts Fusarium
• Before planting cannabis seeds you can apply natural fungicides like horsetail or nettles.
• If you are going to grow indoors, make sure that the base of your plants is well ventilated, which you can do with the help of a fan located at this height.

If your crop is already infested, we recommended that you eliminate the affected plants as soon as possible, as well as the substrate in which they are planted. After doing so, you must be very careful, in case symptoms appear in the rest of your plants. Note that Fusarium fungi can remain active in substrate for years. Thus, it is very important that you thoroughly disinfect your crop if it has been attacked by this pathogen.

 

[Grand Daddy Black]

Operation Blue: 15.24cm



She looked so much happier

Please stop helping GG…. Lolllll (and @Carcass that is a rise of exactly 15.2cm)

I was doing a bit of rolling around on the floor with my grandson and looked up. I think this pic looks so lovely. You get that faux sun little girl

Both pics are really nice!

 

[013]

Another site mentions warm temps plus moist soils associated with fusarium.

may need to add H202 to your water routine about once every week or two

but I’m interested to learn what others have to say

 

[7Dust2]

Hey T. Hi . I'm 7 or Dust doesn't matter. I been lurking around your journal. For good while now. Never really spoke much. Love the video. Tho . I take it you Aussie.
So it's summer down there. Right. Y'all have chirstmas in Dec. In the summer. Or y'all have that holiday. Or y'all have it in winter.. and does it snow.. y'all kinda in like a desert most of the country .
Just wondering.. I been there back in 2002 headed to Afgan . We just stopped in and flew out. Never got to hang out . But glad I didn't I would have never left . Shelia's are fine as hell there. I would have got in trouble.

 

[Trala]

It looks like you get to grow autos now. Boo will be happy.

Hopefully she can teach me how to grow them

@BooWho2 that is one cute granddaughter! Like you I am loving this stage of my life so much.

My dad is like this, too. I'm this way regarding spelling.

I have a section in my yard where I put my trial of life plants. If I’ve tried everything and the plant is still struggling, I place it in my palliative unit and tell it I’ve done all I can. It’s up to you now. 94% of the time they die. Bit at least I know I tried. I sound fucking BONKERS!

⬆︎ This would be a good photo to enter in the Photo of the Month contest.

Yeah nah. But thanks I do love a compliment.

 

[Trala]

Both pics are really nice!

Thank you kind sir

Another site mentions warm temps plus moist soils associated with fusarium.

may need to add H202 to your water routine about once every week or two

but I’m interested to learn what others have to say

Thanks 013

Since it’s only affected one plant I’m not going to overthink it at this stage. Like Mel said, it might just be one rogue spore that blew in via a summer breeze (please let it be this Canna God of Green).

If it happens again, I will reevaluate. I don’t like to over complicate things, particularly when I’m dealing with nature. You end up becoming a version of the old lady who swallowed a fly, she overcomplicated things to the point her guts blew out adding spiders and birds, and cats, and dogs, then the horse, all to catch one fucking fly. Had she waited she would have see, the fly was no threat to her, and it would end up in deep shit, literally.

 

[Trala]

Hey T. Hi . I'm 7 or Dust doesn't matter. I been lurking around your journal. For good while now. Never really spoke much. Love the video. Tho . I take it you Aussie.
So it's summer down there. Right. Y'all have chirstmas in Dec. In the summer. Or y'all have that holiday. Or y'all have it in winter.. and does it snow.. y'all kinda in like a desert most of the country .
Just wondering.. I been there back in 2002 headed to Afgan . We just stopped in and flew out. Never got to hang out . But glad I didn't I would have never left . Shelia's are fine as hell there. I would have got in trouble.

Good morning

Yes it’s Summer, but right at this second I’m caught up in a flood. I’m a 0700 start at work today and I have a terrible feeling I might have to stay at work since many workers won’t be able to get in. Because I’m considered essential when it comes to shit times, I have to work double shifts if the need be.

I just walked downstairs and my garage and laundry are full of water. I really should be down there trying to broom it out, but given the forecast more will come. You can’t fight nature. I’ve just blocked up the back door best I can with towels.

 

[Trala]

@DV8!

Herbies Seeds are coming your way bruv

And go have a look at our weather! Lucky I can swim

 

[DV8]

@DV8!

Herbies Seeds are coming your way bruv




And go have a look at our weather! Lucky I can swim

Haha your a champ Trala. Thanks again legend.

I have been keeping an eye on things, I really do hope you are all going to be ok. I had race back from NSW in November as the floods there nearly cut me off from coming home.

Things can change so quickly.
Old Mother Nature doesnt fuck around sometimes. Seems sometimes if we arent on fire, everything is about to go underwater.