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I have dehydrated them and the tubers dont lend themselves to being dried and powdered.
I will continue using it fresh, but it was interesting to try.
 
ClosedCircuit said:
Let us know what you discover as far as the best way to prepare it. I'd be interested in growing some in a pot and harvesting small amounts. You should compare Seed Sprout Tea (as a growth inhibiting amendment) and other saponin amendments so we can see which is best.
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I will, and will also see how plants grown with Anredera compare to those without it.
If you are interested in getting the tubers let me know and I will mail you a bunch.
 
Starting a movement are we Roach? Is it possible that other tubers have saponins? :hmmmm:
 
That is an interesting question Sue, I haven't explored that possibility. I don't know of many other tubers that contain useful amounts of saponins. I will finish smoking this joint and do some research.
 
TheRoach said:
That is an interesting question Sue, I haven't explored that possibility. I don't know of many other tubers that contain useful amounts of saponins. I will finish smoking this joint and do some research.
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Let me smoke some of my own while we wait. ;)
 
TheRoach said:
That is an interesting question Sue, I haven't explored that possibility. I don't know of many other tubers that contain useful amounts of saponins. I will finish smoking this joint and do some research.
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I use yucca (cassava) root as a saponin source. I believe it is classified as a tuber. It grows wild where I live so I dug a couple plants up and let the roots sit out to dry. One of them had some kind of mildew on it so I didn't use it, but where it is sitting next to my house, the vegetation has such vigorous growth, it's wild. There are actually plants growing there that I have never even seen on my property before.
 
I had heard of yucca extract, but it referred to a desertic plant. Yucca is also an edible tuber in my country, the plant looks like an oversized cannabis plant with red stems. Im not sure it has saponins though. But it is interesting that you use it. Do you grind it and dissolve?
 
TheRoach said:
I had heard of yucca extract, but it referred to a desertic plant. Yucca is also an edible tuber in my country, the plant looks like an oversized cannabis plant with red stems. Im not sure it has saponins though. But it is interesting that you use it. Do you grind it and dissolve?
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I was happy to find out that it actually does have saponins in it! What grows in your country might be a different species than the one that grows in mine. The species in Colorado looks alot like an aloe plant, but with fleshier spears. It flowers a stalk of round white flowers about the size of a ping pong ball to a soft ball.

"Steroidal saponins in commercial stem syrup and in extract of a bark of Yucca schidigera were identified with high-performance liquid chromatography ion trap mass spectrometry... In addition to detection of twelve saponins known to occur in Y. schidigera, collected fragmentation data led to tentative identifications of SEVEN NEW SAPONINS." :whoa:
Source: Qualitative and quantitative analysis of steroidal saponins in crude extract and bark powder of Yucca schidigera Roezl. (Abstract) [Qualitative and quantitative analysis of steroidal saponins in crude extract and bark powder of Yucca schidigera Roezl. - PubMed - NCBI]

I just ground some root up and top dressed it on some plants. I guess I should have stripped the root bark for maximum effect (after reading that abstract)

EDIT: OK I just figured out that Yucca and cassava are not related. Cassava also goes by another name, yuca (one "c") and it's a starchy tuber used as a source of carbohydrates
 
Oh, I've heard of that plan too. I will do more research about it, I wonder if it would grow in the tropics. I was referring to another tuber!
Edit: I was thinking of Manihot esculenta. A tuber referred also as yuca or tapioca.
 
TheRoach said:
Oh, I've heard of that plan too. I will do more research about it, I wonder if it would grow in the tropics. I was referring to another tuber!
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Yeah, I just figured out we were talking about different plants :laughtwo:
It is definitely a desert plant. I collect it in the desert at least. I don't know how well it would do if it gets really humid alot.

EDIT: Aloe, on the other hand, does really well in the tropics and saponins form about 3% of the "gel" inside an aloe spear. I grew up on the island of guam and aloe grew like a weed there. My dad was always having to cut the aloe plants back so we could get through the front door!
 
That's good to hear! I also have aloe growing but not ready to be harvested yet. The Anredera I used has a huge amount of saponins, a handful of it are enough to treat 5 gallons of water. There is plant of the same species as the one you mentioned around here, but not exactly the same variety. The flowers are edible. I guess I could grow that yucca here, as similar plants grow well here. They are called Itabos I think.

Edit: The variety that grows in my country are called Yucca gigantea. You put the white flowers in boiling water till the are cooked, let cool, slice and add eggs, cook till eggs are ready. Add salt and serve. People here love it, I don't like it at all. A little too bitter for my taste.
 
TheRoach said:
That's good to hear! I also have aloe growing but not ready to be harvested yet. The Anredera I used has a huge amount of saponins, a handful of it are enough to treat 5 gallons of water. There is plant of the same species as the one you mentioned around here, but not exactly the same variety. The flowers are edible. I guess I could grow that yucca here, as similar plants grow well here. They are called Itabos I think.
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I was just looking at Itabo! Scientific name: Yucca gigantea. There you have it, yucca in america del sur!


Anredera looks very interesting. How did you come across it as a plant food?
"Moreover, the antimicrobial activity of the essential oil [from Anredera] was assayed against ten bacterial strains. The essential oil showed a weak inhibitory activity against the Gram-positive pathogens."

This sentence was in the abstract too though: "The essential oil [from Anredera] was evaluated for its in vitro potential phytotoxic activity against germination and initial radicle growth of Raphanus sativus L., Sinapis arvensis L., and Phalaris canariensis L. seeds. At 1.25 microg/mL and 0.625 microg/mL, the oil significantly promoted the germination of S. arvensis." [Chemical composition and biological activities of the essential oil from Anredera cordifolia grown in Brazil. - PubMed - NCBI]
Does that sound contradictory to you or am I just reading it wrong? I wish I could read the whole report for a more detailed analysis.
 
Here's what I found on percentages of saponins in each of these plants:

Anredera
.043% (in the tubers)
[www.ccsenet.org/journal/index.php/jas/article/download/9087/9133] *this is a PDF file download link

aloe
3% (in the "gel")
[ALOE VERA: A SHORT REVIEW]

yucca
6% (in the root and "trunk") *this number was admitted to be a little high by the article (and the scientist himself), but it's the only number I could find. I assuming it's within 1 or 2 percent.
[The Composition and Properties of the Yucca Plant on JSTOR]
 
I was reading the article, but it says saponin content of tuber is %43, if you go to the conclusions he refers to those figures as the final percentages of the extractions based in the mg/g proportion.

It should read;

Anredera
43% (in the tubers)

aloe
3% (in the "gel")
[ALOE VERA: A SHORT REVIEW]

yucca
6%
 
TheRoach said:
I was reading the article, but it says saponin content of tuber is %43, if you go to the conclusions he refers to those figures as the final percentages of the extractions based in the mg/g proportion.

It should read;

Anredera
43% (in the tubers)

aloe
3% (in the "gel")
[ALOE VERA: A SHORT REVIEW]

yucca
6%
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Huh, I didn't catch the (%). The way he puts it in the conclusions is confusing, because right after that number comes: "Saponin content mg/g (dry weight material)" Why would he have felt the need to put mg/g if it was a percentage?

Overall though, I really like that this article exists. I wish there were some solid lab reports that studied yucca and aloe in the same way. There is no information on in the internet about the saponin content of aloe or yucca in dried form.

I find it very hard to believe that any plant would be comprised of almost 50% saponins. I even looked up some yucca extracts, which are supposed to extract the saponin and vitamin content out of the plant, and the strongest extract that I found was only 30% saponin
 
That's some impressive numbers Roach. Wow.

The powdered aloe developes a rich foam when you shake it into water, so you know there's a good supply of saponins in there.
 
TheRoach said:
That's good to hear! I also have aloe growing but not ready to be harvested yet. The Anredera I used has a huge amount of saponins, a handful of it are enough to treat 5 gallons of water. There is plant of the same species as the one you mentioned around here, but not exactly the same variety. The flowers are edible. I guess I could grow that yucca here, as similar plants grow well here. They are called Itabos I think.

Edit: The variety that grows in my country are called Yucca gigantea. You put the white flowers in boiling water till the are cooked, let cool, slice and add eggs, cook till eggs are ready. Add salt and serve. People here love it, I don't like it at all. A little too bitter for my taste.
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I like the flowers picked and eaten fresh, just like candy.
 
iwltfum said:
Huh, I didn't catch the (%). The way he puts it in the conclusions is confusing, because right after that number comes: "Saponin content mg/g (dry weight material)" Why would he have felt the need to put mg/g if it was a percentage?

Overall though, I really like that this article exists. I wish there were some solid lab reports that studied yucca and aloe in the same way. There is no information on in the internet about the saponin content of aloe or yucca in dried form.

I find it very hard to believe that any plant would be comprised of almost 50% saponins. I even looked up some yucca extracts, which are supposed to extract the saponin and vitamin content out of the plant, and the strongest extract that I found was only 30% saponin
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I can mail you the tubers and you can check them yourself. They are incredibly gooey, the problems is the person that wrote that paper is not a native speaker, and the grammar he uses is ambiguous. You can refer to the results in the article, there is nothing compared to this Madeira tuber. I used two handfuls and the water turned thicker than syrup and gooey.
 
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