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oh boy you have a whole lotta stretch left.. keep it tied down so it can only grow horizontal from here on out.
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Im down with that B.
naphtali5725
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That's a mean bend job you put on there Pit! my last grow I had 2 plants from some bag seed from mexico, man I thought those things would never stop stretching, I finally just chopped em down, were too much to deal with, it opened up my grow closet so my Northernberry's could finally get the light they needed 
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That's a mean bend job you put on there Pit! my last grow I had 2 plants from some bag seed from mexico, man I thought those things would never stop stretching, I finally just chopped em down, were too much to deal with, it opened up my grow closet so my Northernberry's could finally get the light they needed
somethings gonna have to go.. possibly 2 of the 24" plants to make some room....oh the hazards of weed
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everyone is on me with the LST LOL. I just havent gotten my head around that yet
but Ive seen the results, when I start my next cycle Im gonna LST some for fun, I have a buddy stoppin in to play with my plants for LST, he has his shit down.
but Ive seen the results, when I start my next cycle Im gonna LST some for fun, I have a buddy stoppin in to play with my plants for LST, he has his shit down.
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ok LST fans..I have a hypothetical question. knock knock McBudz...
I know why people LST..but the question is this...Im already pulling great numbers on the "normal" plants. Is it really worth it? If you tell me Ill get another oz per plant, or even 1/2 oz extra per plant then I would say yes...as long as I dont reduce my plant count. I know our grows are somewhat crude..but effective as a sledgehammer IMO.
Ive been wrestling with this for 6-8 months.
I know why people LST..but the question is this...Im already pulling great numbers on the "normal" plants. Is it really worth it? If you tell me Ill get another oz per plant, or even 1/2 oz extra per plant then I would say yes...as long as I dont reduce my plant count. I know our grows are somewhat crude..but effective as a sledgehammer IMO.
Ive been wrestling with this for 6-8 months.
I don't know why you'd LST your grows, Pit. Like you said, you're already there with the yield.
Cervantes says topping, bending, FIMing....all of that helps manage the plant to the lights and grow space limitations, but it doesn't increase yield. If it did, outdoor growers would LST, right?
I'm certainly not someone who could teach you anything about growing weed....quite the opposite. But looking at your set up it seems to me the weakest link is lighting. Add some lumens and you're at the top of the elite level of growers, from what I can tell.
I could be talkin' out me ass here.... but I did read Cervantes earlier tonite.....he'd tell you to skip the LST, unless you've got a couple oddballs messing with the canopy.
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excellent point Doc. I know we are low on lumens by the chart, Im adding another 1k the next time anyway, and remove the closet and getting some room to add plants.
Thats a good way to change out from veg to flower PIT. Even though I switch veg to flower stright. I kinda do the same as far as the nute change. Except I always start out 1/3 strength then 2/3 then full by the 6th week. That way I have a few weeks to push them as far as I want.
I really like the idea of L.S.t'n I feel it does increase yeild. If i hadn't Lst'd my mother bubba kush I really dont think that I would have had the amount of colas that she does have. Cuz she Likes to keep her branches tight and close to her main stalk, almost wrapping around her like stripes on a candy cane. So in my opinion again I feel it does increase yeild. But on that same note it takes more space. Again this is just my opinion.
I really like the idea of L.S.t'n I feel it does increase yeild. If i hadn't Lst'd my mother bubba kush I really dont think that I would have had the amount of colas that she does have. Cuz she Likes to keep her branches tight and close to her main stalk, almost wrapping around her like stripes on a candy cane. So in my opinion again I feel it does increase yeild. But on that same note it takes more space. Again this is just my opinion.
deffinalty will increase the yeild especially when you have somthig happen like butcher when she is soo closly wrraped only way to do it is to bend her over(pardon the pun)and let her inards growup and she will return aboutface.if you knnow what i mena good growing VIPER i will be here anyways IMO i think you should do whatever you think you have to as longs as it involves keeping those two girls GL VIPER I like SUPERCROPPING BTW
i thinkk it depends on your light situation pit, your HST bends will do something similar. . . the plants send auxins to the tops of the plants working against gravity. if you HST (high stress technique) you stunt the growth on the top long enough for the bottoms to get tall enough to compete with the top you bent when the recover. If you LST (low stress) you just take the top of the plant and tie a string to the top and bend it over and tie it down so that the top is bent 90* or more. by the time the top stands back up side branches have joined it near the top. either way, the even tops will demand similar auxins and you will have many tops instead of one.
the main thing you have to ask yourself if it will increase yield or not is space. do you have any horizontal space around your plants? if you do and you lst, you can increase primary penetration of you lights and you will yield more. . . if you are already using all of the square footage of primary light coverage, it would be kinda hard to pull significantly more out of the area, although you would still see more. a 1/2 oz might be a good lower limit of how much more per plant you might see.
i definitely LST if i had one or two plants getting taller than the others to control height. i feel that lst is the least stressful technique on the plant and wont slow down growth like the other methods. just the benefit of being able to keep them the same hight should be enough of a benefit for you with those movers. its easy, obviously your brave enough to HST/ supercrop.
the main thing you have to ask yourself if it will increase yield or not is space. do you have any horizontal space around your plants? if you do and you lst, you can increase primary penetration of you lights and you will yield more. . . if you are already using all of the square footage of primary light coverage, it would be kinda hard to pull significantly more out of the area, although you would still see more. a 1/2 oz might be a good lower limit of how much more per plant you might see.
i definitely LST if i had one or two plants getting taller than the others to control height. i feel that lst is the least stressful technique on the plant and wont slow down growth like the other methods. just the benefit of being able to keep them the same hight should be enough of a benefit for you with those movers. its easy, obviously your brave enough to HST/ supercrop.
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THE WORLD IS ENDING... viper is going to LST. haha just kiddin buddy.
with your light movers you are already exposing it pretty evenly. you would get a little less shadowing from tall colas but i see no need to LST anything other than the tall ones.
if you do try it i would suggest bending the plants around the perrimiter outward to catch the weaker light on the edge of the grow (since all the good light is already being used). you will increase your yield if you use more of the light available.
the biggest benefit i have noticed from LST is that i can cover more area in a smaller amount of time. if i let my plants grow normally they dont get any buds at the base because of weak light. after i LST them they take up more area and end up producing a higher yield because of the extra exposure. if my room fills up faster and my yield is good that tells me im cutting down on veg time.
with your light movers you are already exposing it pretty evenly. you would get a little less shadowing from tall colas but i see no need to LST anything other than the tall ones.
if you do try it i would suggest bending the plants around the perrimiter outward to catch the weaker light on the edge of the grow (since all the good light is already being used). you will increase your yield if you use more of the light available.
the biggest benefit i have noticed from LST is that i can cover more area in a smaller amount of time. if i let my plants grow normally they dont get any buds at the base because of weak light. after i LST them they take up more area and end up producing a higher yield because of the extra exposure. if my room fills up faster and my yield is good that tells me im cutting down on veg time.
In your situation you should utilize it for the over grown LHaze plants. You will diminish yield for all other plants if you have to back your lights away to make room for those plants. Or if you have to clip or remove those offenders for being too tall. The most effective use of LST in flowering is to manage the overall canopy. Keep it even so you can keep the light as close as possible to all plants thus insuring maximum potential when it comes to yeild and bud density. Am I making sense?
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complete sense.
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Hey Pit...Very "sanitary" set up. Fo sho, state of the art...No cooling flex on your lights? I must be doin somethin wrong. Even with a light mover, Ive had to run air thru my 1000 otherwise the tops suffer toastage...
How do you manage your room air exchange? Are the 2 cone fans at the rear left both intake or 1 intake & 1 exhaust? Your cinder block walls are a growers dream...warm in winter, cool in summer and wash n go eh? Are you runnin 220V to the controller to run both lites? Man that thing looks like it could control a rocket ship. LOL
If this the Emerald City bro, you must be the new resident Wizard...LOL Again man, much thanks for all you share...
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How do you manage your room air exchange? Are the 2 cone fans at the rear left both intake or 1 intake & 1 exhaust? Your cinder block walls are a growers dream...warm in winter, cool in summer and wash n go eh? Are you runnin 220V to the controller to run both lites? Man that thing looks like it could control a rocket ship. LOL
If this the Emerald City bro, you must be the new resident Wizard...LOL Again man, much thanks for all you share...
MFretired again dude
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Wow Pit you got room ceiling space to bloom those buttes?
Sure looks good,wish ya all the luck bro.........
Sure looks good,wish ya all the luck bro.........
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