The Sauga Ends Here

[MrSauga]

Awesome story! I’ve been himming and hawing about going infinity for awhile now but that story has sealed the deal! I’m making it work with a 4” fan and filter in my 5x5 but if it can’t keep up when I flower out I’ll be going to AC for a 6” setup with customer service like that and from what I hear quality units.

They are sold out of everything in the T series right now. Gonna be hard to get for the next little while I think.

I wonder if their fans and sensors will work for outside grows...

Ha! No.

I'm really looking for 0-0-0, so I'm wondering if you can use plain silicic acid instead. There is one for sale called Power Si (0-0.4-0.8) which is $50 for 250ml, and at the recommended 0.5ml/gallon for veg, that would make 500 gallons ($0.10/gallon) or 1ml/gallon for flower ($0.20/gallon). And you wouldn't need to have any cal-mag on hand to balance it out.

Yes @MrSauga I would like to know to I still looking I sure haven't crushed the numbers like @InTheShed has but still would love to know

I'm not sure if you can. If monosilicic acid is different then that's the type a plant can uptake. It needs to be in that form.

Plants can only absorb Silicon in the form of monosilicic acids, these occur naturally as mineral Silicon is broken down and dissolved into water. In hydroponic applications, the most common form of Silicon additive is Potassium Silicate.

Once absorbed, Silicon is transported to where it is required by the plants transpiration system, it is deposited as either hydrated silicon dioxide (which effectively stores water molecules within the plant) between the plant cells or as silica (a gel like substance) within the walls of the individual plant cells.
Silicon “builds” the plant, acting as the cement between the bricks in the cell walls or between the actual cells themselves. It increases the structural integrity of the plant, making stems and branches thicker and stronger, and leaves greener and tougher.
Source

The form of silicon that is available to plants as a nutrient is called monosilicic acid (H4SiO4). The availability and amount of this compound is influenced by other parts of the soil makeup, including pH, the presence of clay, organic matter, and iron (Fe) or aluminum (Al) oxides/hydroxides.

The AC infinity cloud line line-up are the best. I have two 6 inch units and one 8 inch unit... I never use the 8 inch as of right now. It’s too powerful and way overkill.. seriously it’s like an industrial fan you’d see at a construction site. Lol The 6 inch setups are perfect with the speed controller and I only run them at “5” so half power. Highly recommend.

Solid fans. 8" is yuuuge!

Wow, a refund from 2018! And you didn’t even have to give them your sob story about chip bag shoes!!

lol,

Oh you sly dog you. Well dont I look like a dick. Page 17. Well you didn't beat Penny as he got to page 28 before I noticed. What strains are you growing? I'll go back and take a look.

Hope you're well MrS. I was wondering where you where. I should probably check signatures more often

lol, welcome to the show. It's my last one.

 

[MrSauga]

That’s a great company to send you the updated version free of charge. I don’t own one but I will be getting one eventually. I’m so budget the plants don’t even know! Hope all is good Mr.S

All is well shotta!

For the price point there's nothing like it on the market. Anyone who uses them have nothing but good things to say. I do find they become a little weak as soon as a carbon filter gets dirty since the CFM's are lower in general compared to other same size fans. I have the luxury of not needing one but if you have lights that produce a lot of heat and with a filter one might think it's not strong enough.

 

[ProfessorFlora]

lol, welcome to the show. It's my last one.

Dont give me spoilers! I haven't been back to the beginning yet. I was thinking it was just an odd bit of wordplay for the title.
Hold on a second, I'll be back.

 

[ProfessorFlora]

You're such a dick.

 

[MrSauga]

You're such a dick.

 

[ProfessorFlora]

You had me worried. I thought that you may have been dying or something.
Sorry but you have been diagnosed with the terrible and incurable Saugasitis. The condition in which your head is sucked up your anus and comes back out of your mouth....slowly

 

[Backlipslide]

You had me worried. I thought that you may have been dying or something.
Sorry but you have been diagnosed with the terrible and incurable Saugasitis. The condition in which your head is sucked up your anus and comes back out of your mouth....slowly

*screams to the next room*
“Honey!?...We have a problem!”
“I think I have saugastitis!”

 

[Amy Gardner]

They are sold out of everything in the T series right now. Gonna be hard to get for the next little while I think.

wow - I’m glad i sent my friend there 2 weeks ago to buy a T4 and said “just buy it now”! It arrived very quickly to Aus

ANd thankyou for the tips about the controller for RH - I think that’s why i didnt end up using ot before, because I wasn’t sure about that part (the stability of other controls). My 3x3 tent is in a large room (about 24’ x 8’, give or take). I keep the room controlled for temp with a split system aircon and the RH in the room is always less than the RH in the tent because the aircon dries it out, so I’ve no need for a dehuey in the tent (and the aircon can dehuey the room if i need it too). I’m going to look at the controller programming again. WHat I’d really like it for t ot be on all the time low, and crank up a bit when the lights go out to help combat the spike that happens. But i don't think i can program that.

Anyone got particular advice about carbon filters? I need a new one and would rather buy one that is going to last a few years, rather than a cheap one that has to be replaced regularly (oh the landfill!)

I’m actually trying to find a carbon filter w 4” connection that is the longer style - I can only find the short fat ones for that size...

 

[Heavenly Hybrid]

wow - I’m glad i sent my friend there 2 weeks ago to buy a T4 and said “just buy it now”! It arrived very quickly to Aus

ANd thankyou for the tips about the controller for RH - I think that’s why i didnt end up using ot before, because I wasn’t sure about that part (the stability of other controls). My 3x3 tent is in a large room (about 24’ x 8’, give or take). I keep the room controlled for temp with a split system aircon and the RH in the room is always less than the RH in the tent because the aircon dries it out, so I’ve no need for a dehuey in the tent (and the aircon can dehuey the room if i need it too). I’m going to look at the controller programming again. WHat I’d really like it for t ot be on all the time low, and crank up a bit when the lights go out to help combat the spike that happens. But i don't think i can program that.

Anyone got particular advice about carbon filters? I need a new one and would rather buy one that is going to last a few years, rather than a cheap one that has to be replaced regularly (oh the landfill!)

I’m actually trying to find a carbon filter w 4” connection that is the longer style - I can only find the short fat ones for that size...

Don’t quote me, but I believe there’s a timer setting too.

 

[MrSauga]

Sorry but you have been diagnosed with the terrible and incurable Saugasitis. The condition in which your head is sucked up your anus and comes back out of your mouth....slowly

lol, OK so you seem a little upset. Sorry for the misrepresentation

aircon dries it out, so I’ve no need for a dehuey in the tent (and the aircon can dehuey the room if i need it too)

Perfect!!

WHat I’d really like it for t ot be on all the time low, and crank up a bit when the lights go out to help combat the spike that happens. But i don't think i can program that.

Yes you can! The controller does have a timer setting as HH mentioned but it's use is for another purpose. The High Alarm settings are the ones that will do the trick for your application. You set your fan to run at low speed and when the RH reaches the High Alarm set point the fan starts to ramp up to maximum speed regardless of your settings. Once the RH goes below the High Alarm set point the fan resumes your low set speed.

 

[The Celt]

Well somewhat late to the show but caught up and will sit in if you have room MrSauga

 

[MrSauga]

Well somewhat late to the show but caught up and will sit in if you have room MrSauga

Welcome Celt and sorry you had to go through all that nonsense

Pull up a chair, stay 6' apart and the blunts are on me Glad to have you aboard!

 

[The Celt]

Much thanks mate, 6 feet...not a problem, I‘ve been accused of being an old mountain man form the east coast so keeping my distance comes naturally lol

As for the ”nonsense” that’s what drew me in

 

[MrSauga]

Much thanks mate, 6 feet...not a problem, I‘ve been accused of being an old mountain man form the east coast so keeping my distance comes naturally lol

As for the ”nonsense” that’s what drew me in

lol, well I'm glad to hear you like nonsense as you'll find plenty here. I jest about the 6' but I hear you. Seems a lot of us are homebodies and have found staying home easy for the most part. Nothing really changed for me so I'm on the lucky side.

 

[The Celt]

Here as well, I had taken a leave of absence when I returned from Manitoba after Xmas to renovate the house so was already staying home lol

Aside from that, before I met Krista, I actually lived on my woodlot with just me and my dog lol was very peaceful lol

 

[The Celt]

Hey guys, back to your discussion about silica for plants, and a convo with @InTheShed , he suggested I share this with you guys

Flowable Silica for Plants

Silicon is one of the most abundant elements found in soil, comprising 50-70% of soil mass, and some plants have been shown to accumulate large amounts of silica in their tissues. In fact, silica can often accumulate in plant tissues to higher levels than calcium, magnesium and phosphorus! But because of the relative abundance of silica in quartz-based sand and its lack of obvious deficiency symptoms in plants, agronomists have largely ignored the use of silicon as a fertilizer. Lately, however, some agronomists are taking a second look at silica. Although silicon is still not recognized as an “essential” element, its beneficial effects on plant growth are well documented… improving stress tolerance, disease resistance and yield for a wide range of plants.

Silica additives are especially beneficial in hydroponics applications. Concentrated hydroponic nutrient formulas do not contain silicon. Silicon has a strong negative charge and forms a glue-like compound when added to the concentrated mineral salts used in hydroponics. So silica has to be added to the reservoir separately from other nutrients. In the past, most hydroponics growers used potassium silicate as their silicon source.Potassium silicate is very soluble, and it is an excellent source of available silicon. Unfortunately, potassium silicate is also highly alkaline. Even small amounts can cause the pH of the nutrient solution to rise dramatically, potentially locking out other important trace elements such as iron, copper, manganese and zinc. When using unbuffered water sources such as reverse osmosis (RO) water, the pH problems caused by potassium silicate can be amplified!

Fortunately, many growers are now discovering the benefits of flowable silicon as an alternative to potassium silicate. Flowable silicon is pH neutral, and it is derived from natural sources of silicon dioxide. The best source of flowable silicon comes from clean, finely-powdered diatomaceous earth. Diatoms are microscopic organisms from the sea, and they naturally accumulate high levels of silicon in their cell walls. The natural silicon is known as “biogenic” silica. Water-soluble silicon is removed from the water through a biological process as the diatoms grow and multiply. When the diatoms die, the silicon dioxide dissolves back into the water as part of the natural silicon cycle. So the silica skeletons of fresh-water diatoms are a rich source of silicon for plants.

Flowable silica offers both a quick-release and slow-release form of silicon for plant roots. About 30% of the silica dissolves within the first few hours of mixing, and the rest of the silica remains in suspension and continues to flow over the roots. Some of the silica is trapped by the roots and developing root hairs, where it embeds itself in the cell walls. The embedded silicon aids in the uptake of water, while simultaneously protecting the plant from toxic levels of heavy metals. As the silica continues to dissolve, it is transported to the stems and leaves, where it has a strengthening effect on cell walls. The extra silica helps protect the plant against fungi such as powdery mildew, and it plays an important role in the systemic acquired resistance of plants against many pests and diseases. Silica also improves the plant’s tolerance to temperature extremes. Best of all, flowable silica is pH neutral (7.0-7.2), making it friendly to both plants and plant-growth-promoting microorganisms in the root zone.

Copyright© 2013
Harley Smith

I would have just posted the link but its on a another non sponsor site

 

[MrSauga]

Hey guys, back to your discussion about silica for plants, and a convo with @InTheShed , he suggested I share this with you guys

Great info Celt. I think, and I'm probably wrong, was what other types of silica could be used that didn't have a K value to it. One of the things that kept coming up was that the silica had to be in the form of monosilicic acid or whether other forms of silicic acid would work. I'm guessing that if a powdered silica was used it would have to be in the form of a monosilicic acid. I didn't copy the whole article but if silica is available in different forms then it's important to understand what is the easiest form for the plant to absorb or uptake.

The silicon content of soils is (very) high, with an average of 28% Si by weight. The vast majority of Si compounds in the soil consists of silicon dioxide, silicate minerals and aluminosilicates, none of which are available for plant uptake. The only plant bioavailable silicon compound is monosilicic acid (MSA; synonym: orthosilicic acid: OSA), the concentration of which is (very) low in the soil.

2.1. Glossary of the Various Silicon Compounds
BAS: bioactive silicon or biosilicon: monosilicic acid.
Biogenic silicon: silicon compounds in the plant.
Liquid silicon: all soluble silicic acid forms, from monosilicic up to subcolloidal silicic acid. Sometimes also used to describe soluble silicates or used as a synonym for soluble silicon.
Monosilicic acid (MSA). Synonym: orthosilicic acid (OSA). MSA or Si(OH)4 is the simplest form of soluble silicic acid. MSA is found universally in seawater, river water and soils at a concentration of a few ppm. Although MSA is in dynamic equilibrium with disilicic acid, it is considered the only bioavailable form of silicon.
Oligomeric silicic acid: disilicic acid and small clusters of monosilicic acid.
Organic silicon: silicon components in plant extracts and decomposed residues.

 

[The Celt]

That’s gone farther into research than I have lol but I had read a research paper a number of years ago about DE being “flowable” silica and being somewhat soluble and readily available to plants. Been using it ever since. The bit there I posted was hawking biogenic silica but gave virtually the same info I had read in the research paper about DE.

 

[InTheShed]

I have half a mind to stir x grams of DE into y ounces of water, wait for it to settle, pour off the water leaving as much of the remaining powder at the bottom as possible, and letting that dry out to see how much was soluble. Probably have to use distilled.

I have half a mind generally which would make it more like a quarter for this experiment. Imagine what I could do with more mind!

 

[The Celt]

Here is a bit more information to go with what @MrSauga said about silica acids and helps fill the gap from what the article I had read calling DE “flowable” silica

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Abundant plant available Silica has many important benefits to plant health, ranging from increased photosynthesis, increased physical strength, increases in plants ability to absorb nutrients, reducing of pest and fungal attacks as well as a greater tolerance to environmental stress such as heat, drought, salinity &soil toxins. Many plants & trees including grasses, rice, avocados & cucumbers are considered silica accumulators and silica deficiencies through the growth cycle can reduce the benefits described above, reducing yield potential & increasing plant vulnerability.

In the soil, silica exists in 3 forms: reactive, colloidal & suspended particles. eg sand. (not plant available)

Reactive silica dissolves in water to form silicic acids which are the forms in which Si is taken up by plants. Si is transported from root to shoot via the xylem and has to remain in solution. The form in which Si is ultimately deposited is amorphous silica and, once deposited in cells, cell walls or external plant epidermis layers, it is immobile and not redistributed. Therefore, each time the plant has new growth, silica must be available for supply to the new plant tissue. For this reason Si must be in constant supply. Furthermore, each time a crop is harvested, silica is removed from the soil so it must be replaced to ensure a constant supply to the crop.



Diatomaceous earth (DE) is a naturally occurring deposit of fossilised diatoms, silica rich ancient marine creatures, that absorb amorphous silica in their outer shell & exoskeletons. It is anaturally occurring, soft, sedimentary rock, formed from prehistoric times when Australia was covered by inland seas. As the seas dried, over millions of years, these natural DE deposits formed this sedimentary earth, which is easily crumbled into a fine white to off-white powder. It has a particle size ranging from less than 3 microns to more than 1 millimetre. DE has long been an excellent soil additive due to its ability to absorb water as well as be a rich source of plant available silica, but the crumbly inconsistent particle size & powder has made it difficult to store, manage and apply in a consistent manner. “