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Emilya Green
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That is what I am predicting, yes.
The Proper Way To Water A Potted Plant
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I waited till I saw droop. Watered and one plant seems worse. Its the best looking one too. I believe it may be because I watered too close to lights off? My lights off occurs shortly after I water them in the morning.
Have what looks like rust on the edges of top leaves. May also be that she's not used to the new watering schedule?
I still feel that she can bounce back if I really let her dry out. 5 days wait this time round? What do you think @Emilya?
Have what looks like rust on the edges of top leaves. May also be that she's not used to the new watering schedule?
I still feel that she can bounce back if I really let her dry out. 5 days wait this time round? What do you think @Emilya?
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Emilya Green
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It appears to have a bit of a potassium deficiency. This damage has nothing to do with the watering. What are you feeding it and at what pH?I waited till I saw droop. Watered and one plant seems worse. Its the best looking one too. I believe it may be because I watered too close to lights off? My lights off occurs shortly after I water them in the morning.
Have what looks like rust on the edges of top leaves. May also be that she's not used to the new watering schedule?
I still feel that she can bounce back if I really let her dry out. 5 days wait this time round? What do you think @Emilya?
Just some Microbes and PHed water. PH between 6.5-6.65
Top dressed bout 10 days ago and gave AACT before that. Can't imagine a deficiency cos she was literally beautiful a day before.
It'll be a few days at least before i water again. Will add some seaweed extract for a Potassium boost or will some molasses be enough to do the trick? How would you approach this?
Let me know if you need any other info! Your rapid responses are moving me to tears Sis! Thank you so much!
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Emilya Green
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remind me please of the type of soil you are in? What top dressing did you use before and what was in your AACT? Deficiencies can happen suddenly, especially as a plant that has been dormant wakes up. Molasses doesn't have a whole lot of nutrients in it... a bit of sulphur and magnesium... Seaweed is a super accumulator so it is a good source of potassium, as is banana peel juice. That is the direction I would go if I had to give emergency potassium... but again my question is why is it not in there already, or is something wrong with your microbes?
My Soil is self amended and I recycle them. Close to a coots mix with locally sourced amendments.
Top dress was 1 Cup with equal amounts of Worm Castings, IMO5, insect Frass and a 3-5-15 organic dry fert. Not much but should be sufficient?
AACT was just a simple one. Worm castings, molasses plus some Brown sugar Cos I ran out of molasses. Added some humic acid, insect Frass and minor amounts of seaweed.
Their watering always includes very small amounts of FFJ, Fermented Fruit Juice, EM from different sources etc. Unlikely to be lacking in Potassium. Other plants that we're doing worse are not showing this. Just the usual dropping of tips indicative of overwatering.
It may be that I kept them too moist. I did not give a chance for the PH to cycle. Causing a minor/early onset of lockout?
Sucks but at least I'm learning! Thank you so much Sis!
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Emilya Green
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Glad to help... lets examine teas...
Ph is not a factor in an organic grow. In a properly balanced soil recipe like Coots, there should be no lockouts either. There is no need to strictly stay within the 6.2-6.8 pH range with your fluids, because the only reason we worry about pH or drifting through the soil pH range is so that we can pick up synthetic nutes as they hit the correct pH range to break free of their EDTA bonds that keep them stable in the bottle. An organic grow within the normal limits of pH in living systems, does not care about the pH and there is no need to adjust it. So a pH lockout is not happening... it is something else.
Next humic acid... this is for when you are building and cooking your soil... I would never put it in a tea.. it is a collection of 3 very strong acids that break apart organics to turn them into soil... can't be good for the microbes. Next, your tea seemed to be a very strong mix of dry fert, WC, and IMO and other things... I am just not sure that would be an effective tea for this stage of the grow. A tea is meant to supply microbes, not feed the plants. If you are needing to top dress nutrients, something is wrong with the organic feeding cycle. You need a tea that is heavy in potassium processing microbes, and I am not sure you are getting it with what you have concocted. Teas are tricky to make correctly, and without the proper microbes, your plants can starve even though the correct raw minerals are there. Not only that, but when you brew an aact, you are only getting the nutrients from your raw inputs that are water soluble... nothing near the nutrition that the microbes could get out of it if they were allowed to work.
Its not just the one plant... I think I noticed similar complaints coming from another of your tent dwellers, and this tells me that the problem is definitely something in common with the entire room. I think with your coots mix and all the amendments you are giving, the raw nutes have to be in there... but still the plants are not able to get to it. That tells me the microbes are sloughing off on the job. I would suggest getting some Realgrower's Recharge or URB or one of the microbial superpack inoculations and see what that did to the plants ability to get the potassium out of your soil as a quick fix. I will also link you to some proven recipes for 4 different stages of the plant that do produce the specific microbes that you need. You are using the KNF and worm castings as sort of a shotgun approach to providing the microlife. The problem that I think I see here is that you are starting off with a good mix of microbes coming from your inputs, but as they culture in your brew, without the proper raw minerals to feed only the desired microbes, the ones you need to process potassium are being killed off by less beneficial ones.
Check out this link to @stoneotter 's thread, where he gave us pictures of the pages in The Rev's book, where he describes how to make proper teas for the various stages of the grow: Otterfarm Flooded! NextLight Mega Responsible!
Ph is not a factor in an organic grow. In a properly balanced soil recipe like Coots, there should be no lockouts either. There is no need to strictly stay within the 6.2-6.8 pH range with your fluids, because the only reason we worry about pH or drifting through the soil pH range is so that we can pick up synthetic nutes as they hit the correct pH range to break free of their EDTA bonds that keep them stable in the bottle. An organic grow within the normal limits of pH in living systems, does not care about the pH and there is no need to adjust it. So a pH lockout is not happening... it is something else.
Next humic acid... this is for when you are building and cooking your soil... I would never put it in a tea.. it is a collection of 3 very strong acids that break apart organics to turn them into soil... can't be good for the microbes. Next, your tea seemed to be a very strong mix of dry fert, WC, and IMO and other things... I am just not sure that would be an effective tea for this stage of the grow. A tea is meant to supply microbes, not feed the plants. If you are needing to top dress nutrients, something is wrong with the organic feeding cycle. You need a tea that is heavy in potassium processing microbes, and I am not sure you are getting it with what you have concocted. Teas are tricky to make correctly, and without the proper microbes, your plants can starve even though the correct raw minerals are there. Not only that, but when you brew an aact, you are only getting the nutrients from your raw inputs that are water soluble... nothing near the nutrition that the microbes could get out of it if they were allowed to work.
Its not just the one plant... I think I noticed similar complaints coming from another of your tent dwellers, and this tells me that the problem is definitely something in common with the entire room. I think with your coots mix and all the amendments you are giving, the raw nutes have to be in there... but still the plants are not able to get to it. That tells me the microbes are sloughing off on the job. I would suggest getting some Realgrower's Recharge or URB or one of the microbial superpack inoculations and see what that did to the plants ability to get the potassium out of your soil as a quick fix. I will also link you to some proven recipes for 4 different stages of the plant that do produce the specific microbes that you need. You are using the KNF and worm castings as sort of a shotgun approach to providing the microlife. The problem that I think I see here is that you are starting off with a good mix of microbes coming from your inputs, but as they culture in your brew, without the proper raw minerals to feed only the desired microbes, the ones you need to process potassium are being killed off by less beneficial ones.
Check out this link to @stoneotter 's thread, where he gave us pictures of the pages in The Rev's book, where he describes how to make proper teas for the various stages of the grow: Otterfarm Flooded! NextLight Mega Responsible!
Referring to the link, If that's the ratio per 5 gallon bucket, I have been massively overdoing it. I use so much more!
I actually top dress to prevent the deficiencies. I don't really know if the plant needs them. Seems to be what many are doing? Did I mention I'm a dumbass lol?
I understand some of what you mean but not sure if Im smart enough to understand the rest. Regardless, really clueless as to how i should proceed? Instincts say, let them dry up then water with mild seaweed extract.
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Emilya Green
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yes, it is all about having the right microbes doing the right jobs and at the right time. The flowering recipe is what you need, but you really need to do this without substituting... same with your coots mix, where you also mentioned some modifications of the recipe... sometimes substitutions don't work. I haven't asked you how long you "cooked" that coots mix either... if you just mixed and went, with no cooking, that would also explain what is going on.
Where in the world are you? Here in the USA we can order the instant fix to your problem, RealGrower's Recharge... this microbial inoculation is what you need, provided that your soil mix is in good shape. In the UK, the product to look for is URB and there is also Voodoo Juice... all of these products are purely microbes, ready and available to help you, in an applicable form. Another way to get through this, even if your soil isn't quite where it needs to be, is with one of our sponsor's products, @GeoFlora Nutrients ... this is an organic system that would get you through by applying their special mix of microbes and raw nutrients to your soil once every two weeks. If they ship to where you are, you can get a free sample pack rushed to you for the price of shipping. This is the organic growing system that i am using right now, so that I can grow organically without all the mess and hassle of mixing teas and composting soils.
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My mix have actually grown some really nice meds. So I'm quite certain that even if not perfect, it'd at least be adequate. They have also been cooked a real long time. Like 3-4 months. Blame Covid!
Which is how I finally arrived at scrutinizing my watering practices. I was watering all plants at the same time, way too often. So some would look awesome while some suffer. Its time to water the right way!
I really cannot economically procure all that stuff and most also don't ship my way. Even more so now with Covid. I have to make it work one way or another. I get local substitutes as close as I can.
I believe I actually do have some good microbe products. Hope to see improvements when lights Come on in about 4 hours
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Emilya Green
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26 more messages and you get that ability... no worries, I get it that you are somewhere best not to mention.
OK, lets see you get one of those flowering AACTs done, just using minimal inputs so as to produce exactly the microbes you need... and no more applying all this top dressing and full cups of this or that in your teas... maybe this is the problem? overloading with something that is causing a lockout of other things? Keep at it... we will figure this out. I like your thoughts on watering too... lets be patient and see what happens.
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Emilya Green
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@stoneotter , good morning! I see that you are here, and this situation reminds me a bit of some of your early struggles... do you have any thoughts for our friend @GrowGlow ?
The recipe is for a 5 gal bucket right? Just to be sure. If so, I definitely overdid it by a thousand miles. And is most likely the problem. Only one plant looks to be doing good. A Seedstockers GG.
At least I've got time, as watering is at least a good few days ahead. Just praying it won't progress too badly or any at all till then.
Can't wait for them to really dry out this time. Fingers crossed.
Yes Sir, pretty please dear Sir!
Just requested a sample. Hope they ship my way! Maybe make it a larger bag? LOL
Good morning Emilya and GrowGlow. Like you Em I'm thinking the top dress right before the issue popped up threw a wrench in the works for a hopefully short time. Maybe nute burn? You have an otherwise healthy looking plant I bet will come around. I do use Real growers recharge a few times a grow at least when I don't bubble my own. No top dressing normally for me but for epsom salts when I need magnesium.
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This super helpful for "Veg" and on onward, could u "PLEASE" give me some input on proper watering for germination and early seedlings, I am having a tough time getting my Feminized Photo variety of "CB Diesel" seeds to pop? I am trying them in Coco coir cups and Peat Pellets after an 18 hour water soak, also what light times and heights for germ and seedling . Thanks you so much for your time!
@Emilya
She looks worse now.
The above Wedding Cake and the below Gorilla Glue was the best looking plant just a couple days ago. Now, its only Gorilla Glue.
Blue Dream and Amnesia still don't look good. In fact, Amnesia looks worse too.
Can I still save them?
She looks worse now.
The above Wedding Cake and the below Gorilla Glue was the best looking plant just a couple days ago. Now, its only Gorilla Glue.
Blue Dream and Amnesia still don't look good. In fact, Amnesia looks worse too.
Can I still save them?