The Perpetual Healing Garden - SweetSue's Joyful Return

[SweetSue]

Daily Update: Dark Devil Auto (Day 63)

Lets just enjoy the scenery, shall we?

That's all for now guys. Thank you so much for stopping by and checking them all out. They're starting to take over my life now, a good thing, if you can let it be.

On with other adventures. I'm taking a break for a couple days from the study hall, just to enjoy being carefree for a time before I crank it up again. Balance in all things, even up the hobby that I obsess over. LOL! Think I'll take a walk. It's a beautiful day here in The Burgh. I hope yours is as delightfully pleasant. It looks like spring may be on its way after all.

Spread that joy now. I'm counting on you.

 

[Christine Green]

Rock on Sweet Sue, enjoy!!!!

 

[SweetSue]

Hi Sue,

I thought you mentioned neem oil smelling good, I must have mixed up threads I don't know how???

I don't use neem oil either. I make my own little juice with garlic oil and rosemary, just in case!

I once made a garlic infusion that I used as a foliar to obliterate aphids. Problem was, we then smelled like an Italian eatery for about two blocks out.

 

[Radogast]

An interesting exercise in dosing homemade edibles. The reality is it's almost impossible to determine what dose you're getting without testing, but we can try for a best-guess.

Example of Edible Potency Calculation (by Dr. Kymron deCesare, Steep Hill Labs)

1. I have 100g of top-shelf Sour Diesel. I know that top shelf is always approximately 20%, or 200mg THCA per 1g of flower. 200mg x 100 = 20,000mg THCA.

2. The conversation from THCA to THC is 0.88. 20,000mg x 0.88 = 17,600mg maximum THC available to be extracted.

3. Under ideal conditions, you get a 60% efficiency of extraction in dairy butter, so 17,600mg x 0.6 = 10,560mg maximum THC likely to be extracted.

4. If my targeted dosage is 200mg per brownie, then 10,560mg / 200 = 53 brownies containing 200mg each. This is the maximum those brownies will have; they could have a whole lot less depending on cumulative errors

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My brownies calculate differently, because I use the whole plant in the mix, so I get 100% of the available cannabinoids, terpenes and flavinoids. Look how simple that made my life.

That calculation has a fatal flaw; 20% THCis not 20% of the plant or 20% of the flower, it is 20% of the trichomes.

Unless you first extract the THC (make hash or oil) there is no reliable way to estimate the THC amount in an edible.


If you wanted to estimate the oil from 100G of bud that would be what? 16-28mg of 75% THC oil yielding 12-21mg THC per 100G of bud.

20mg for the whole batch is anbout 1/1000th of the estimate in those calculations.


EDIT - - - I may have calculated wrong - - - 100G of bud might make 16-28G of THC oil instead of 16-28mg

that would be about 1/10th the estimate instead of 1/1000th

 

[Radogast]

Anything for you my friend. Unfortunately, my daughter has determined that she can't use the oil until it's legal in our back-water mentality of a commonwealth. She's concerned about prohibition getting in the way of a steady supply. In her opinion she couldn't say for sure that, having attained a state of normal existence on the oil and suddenly being confronted by the possibility of having to regress that she wouldn't opt for suicide instead.

We've been down that path twice already. Not a journey either of us wants to revisit. As her mother, this breaks my heart, but she's the one in charge here. I have her answer, but we're still in a holding pattern for my most important patient.

I'd offered to make oil for a family with a son who's had seizures his entire life (he's ten now) but the family had to turn the offer down, essentially for the same reasons. So now I had three high CBD strains taking up more than half my grow space and no one designated to give them to. WTH????

Turns out the husband of one of my dear friends has been diagnosed with a pretty serious case of rheumatoid arthritis. I'll be making some oil, some salve and sharing some mixed plant material for his smoking pleasure. So it all worked out for the best. There was a moment there where I almost questioned the wisdom of the cosmos, you know what I mean? At that point I recall stepping back and taking a deep breath and waiting for the signs. Within minutes I was informed about my friend's husband.

Lesson learned. Slow it down and let the universe guide me.

Sue you would never have that problem in my town getting rid of free CCO lol. But I do feel your daughter is trying to make the best decision. Unfortunately this is a perfect example of why government needs to move faster for legalization.

Does the fact that your governor is signing a bill to make Medical Marijuana in CCO form available to the public (in 2018) factor into their thoughts?

 

[SweetSue]

Does the fact that your governor is signing a bill to make Medical Marijuana in CCO form available to the public (in 2018) factor into their thoughts?

So the governor signs the bill, and it makes it into law with no problems, something I'm not holding my breath on. According to a best-guesstimate, we're two years out from having a legal source of CCO in the state, and it most likely will be restricted to CBD oil, only under strictly controlled access. That's just the oil. It'll be years before this legislature gets their heads out of their asses and do something constructive about cannabis.

There's a tremendous amount of controlling being done in the name of freedom.

 

[SweetSue]

That calculation has a fatal flaw; 20% THCis not 20% of the plant or 20% of the flower, it is 20% of the trichomes.

Unless you first extract the THC (make hash or oil) there is no reliable way to estimate the THC amount in an edible.


If you wanted to estimate the oil from 100G of bud that would be what? 16-28mg of 75% THC oil yielding 12-21mg THC per 100G of bud.

20mg for the whole batch is anbout 1/1000th of the estimate in those calculations.


EDIT - - - I may have calculated wrong - - - 100G of bud might make 16-28G of THC oil instead of 16-28mg

that would be about 1/10th the estimate instead of 1/1000th

I think she had it right Rad. For every 1gm of bud you should expect 20% of that weight to be THCA. So 100 gm of bud would yield 20,000 mg of THCA.

The biggest problem with edibles is that you usually have no way to know how much is in each individual piece. You're just winging it. Thankfully, this is a plant you can do that with and have no fear of killing yourself with an overdose.

 

[Canyon]

Rad,
I did not want to be the first to question your thoughts. But yes, it is percent by weight of the material tested and most by far is in the trichomes.

I also have to ask, is it worthwhile to do whole plant extracts?

I never know
canyon

 

[SweetSue]

Rad,
I did not want to be the first to question your thoughts. But yes, it is percent by weight of the material tested and most by far is in the trichomes.

I also have to ask, is it worthwhile to do whole plant extracts?

I never know
canyon

Absolutely Canyon. There're cannabinoids you're only going to get from the stems or fan leaves. Neiko and I worked out a ratio of 70% bud, 20% stem, 10% fan leaves. The traditional approach to oil making was intent on getting the maximum THC, and with good cause. We knew THC was the big gun in cancer killing. Or so we assumed.

It turns out the entourage effect is more complicated than everyone thought, and the terpenes and flavinoids, as well as some of what we believed were minor cannabinoids aren't so minor in the overall scheme of things. Now the idea is to harvest the most components we can from the extraction process.

Considering that the monoterpenes are so important in the effectiveness of the cannabinoid therapies, in particular Myrcene, with its ability to assist other components in being absorbed through the blood-brain barrier (thereby missing that critical first-pass through the liver), and considering that the monoterpenes degrade over 50% in the first week of drying, I'd also recommend some type of olive oil extraction with fresh plant material, right after harvest. Incorporating the olive oil extraction into a protocol that used CCO would offer a nicely balanced supply of cannabinoids, flavinoids and terpenes. Sounds like a good plan to me.

 

[Canyon]

Sue,
If you are looking to capture the low boiling point components, you may want to give some thought to not decarboxolating(Sp) a portion of your mix. I would think you are loosing most of them in the oven even with the bags you are using.

It is something that probably needs more thought.

An interesting addition on some of the store bought bud labels in NM is the CBG content.

I never know
canyon

 

[SweetSue]

Sue,
If you are looking to capture the low boiling point components, you may want to give some thought to not decarboxolating(Sp) a portion of your mix. I would think you are loosing most of them in the oven even with the bags you are using.

It is something that probably needs more thought.

An interesting addition on some of the store bought bud labels in NM is the CBG content.

I never know
canyon

I think we may be covering our butts with the use of the oven bag Canyon, especially after siticking it into the freezer for an hour after the decarb, although we're exploring ways to decarb in the study hall, with the intent to retain as many components as we can. We're just now beginning to gather testing data, and that's really the only way to determine the effectiveness of our processes.

I'm glad they're finally starting to pay attention to the fact that the public is much more educated than it used to be about cannabinoid content. Now, start listing the terpenes and flavinoids and we've made real progress.

 

[ohioboy]

Daily Update: Day 62

Finally time for a drench!!! This CBD Critical Mass is amazingly drought resistant. Time to get the TransWater in.

She took two whole gallons of water in the end. Thirsty one.

The canopy's coming along nicely.

Back in the tent. The CBD Critical Cure is a slow starter as she gets closer to her own next drench.

Look at this perky little side shoot on the Critical Cure. Sweet.

The CBD Critical Mass is a bit temperamental after the drench. All the tops are flopped over.

Here she is a few minutes ago, about four hours later??? I lose track of the time. It all flows together.

No one up yet. The fan was blowing directly on them for who knows how long, so I watered them all with a mild Tea.

The Auto tent. I need to drench the empty pot. It missed the last one because it was in darkness.

While I was drenching the Critical Mass I cleaned up her leaves and tossed them onto this pot. Give the worms something to play with.

The rest of the autos also got drenched today, including the Dark Devil. I plan a bubbled neem tea for the next drench, so this one was a shot of kelp tossed across the soils and watered in with 1/2 gallon of the coconut water/aloe vera juice drench, lovingly scooped over the surface one ounce at a time. Yes, you heard that correctly. I pour the drench over the surface one tiny ounce at a time, taking care to let the liquid work its way down through every inch of this soil. It takes a trained ear to hear when the soil hits the point where it's time to stop, and I'm pretty in tune with my pots in that respect. Not that I always act on what I'm hearing, mind you. LOL! It's a good well-drained soil sitting on a SWICK. It's hard to overdo it.

All the SWICK reservoirss got topped off too. The Auto Jack Herer took an entire gallon of water in hers. This one keeps getting away from me.

That's it for me today. Thanks for stopping in and making my corner all the brighter by you're just being here. Continue spreading that joy now. I'm going back to enjoying my persuing of a righteous buzz. I'm thinking of doing a late-night Callanetics session, which would give me permission to grab another piece of brownie. I'm thinking there's no good reason not to do so.

Gosh, this was great fun today. Nothing like a bit of deprivation to make you appreciate it better, you know?

You have such beautiful girls I was wondering what the yellow spots on her were and why there were only on the dark and also in your opinion what do you think of molasses ? Thank you very much and you all look beautiful your a great mom


Outdoors organics

 

[Radogast]

Anything for you my friend. Unfortunately, my daughter has determined that she can't use the oil until it's legal in our back-water mentality of a commonwealth. She's concerned about prohibition getting in the way of a steady supply. In her opinion she couldn't say for sure that, having attained a state of normal existence on the oil and suddenly being confronted by the possibility of having to regress that she wouldn't opt for suicide instead.

We've been down that path twice already. Not a journey either of us wants to revisit. As her mother, this breaks my heart, but she's the one in charge here. I have her answer, but we're still in a holding pattern for my most important patient.

I'd offered to make oil for a family with a son who's had seizures his entire life (he's ten now) but the family had to turn the offer down, essentially for the same reasons. So now I had three high CBD strains taking up more than half my grow space and no one designated to give them to. WTH????

Turns out the husband of one of my dear friends has been diagnosed with a pretty serious case of rheumatoid arthritis. I'll be making some oil, some salve and sharing some mixed plant material for his smoking pleasure. So it all worked out for the best. There was a moment there where I almost questioned the wisdom of the cosmos, you know what I mean? At that point I recall stepping back and taking a deep breath and waiting for the signs. Within minutes I was informed about my friend's husband.

Lesson learned. Slow it down and let the universe guide me.

Dang!!! It's been 20 minutes since I had my half slice of brownie and I just got hit with the most amazing body rush!! Whoa! I keep expecting to develop a tolerance for this, but this is the third day in and I'm seeing no abatement at all in psychotropic effects. Odd, but no complaints at all.

Thank you for the strain recommendation. I'll place an order on Wednesday when the next money hits the bank. The daughter and her partner are tearing through the balance in the account right now for groceries. Family money takes a different perspective with blended households.

Sue you would never have that problem in my town getting rid of free CCO lol. But I do feel your daughter is trying to make the best decision. Unfortunately this is a perfect example of why government needs to move faster for legalization.

So the governor signs the bill, and it makes it into law with no problems, something I'm not holding my breath on. According to a best-guesstimate, we're two years out from having a legal source of CCO in the state, and it most likely will be restricted to CBD oil, only under strictly controlled access. That's just the oil. It'll be years before this legislature gets their heads out of their asses and do something constructive about cannabis.

There's a tremendous amount of controlling being done in the name of freedom.

You might want to check again - The final SB3 as I understand it was NOT restricted to CBD - the words THC and CBD do not appear in the bill.

Oddly enough, prior to dispensaries opening, parents of minor children can import medical marijuana from other states for the minor - but adults cannot import medical marijuana for themselves

 

[Radogast]

I think she had it right Rad. For every 1gm of bud you should expect 20% of that weight to be THCA. So 100 gm of bud would yield 20,000 mg of THCA.

The biggest problem with edibles is that you usually have no way to know how much is in each individual piece. You're just winging it. Thankfully, this is a plant you can do that with and have no fear of killing yourself with an overdose.

I was basing my argument on post #1 in this thread - but I believe it is rebutted by post #7 in this thread

THC potency and how it's measured


I was basing my argument on faulty information.

 

[Graytail]

I was basing my argument on post #1 in this thread - but I believe it is rebutted by post #7 in this thread

THC potency and how it's measured


I was basing my argument on faulty information.

I never really thought about it, but that's startling.

THC can be over 20% of the total weight of a bud?? All that plant material is only 80% or less?? The rest is all that one substance - THC ??

That just doesn't sit right. Yeah, yeah, I knew it was by weight, but I guess I assumed it was the % of some extraction or something.




[Edit] Ok, I get it now. It's actually a really cool illustration of the difference between two and three dimensional space. The entire surface of much of the bud is covered in a furry mass of THC resin. That's a LOT of surface area compared to the three dimensional volume of the bud. Like fins on a heat sink - a huge surface area in a small space. Think of how thin the leaf is compared to the coating of trichs.

 

[SweetSue]

I was basing my argument on post #1 in this thread - but I believe it is rebutted by post #7 in this thread

THC potency and how it's measured


I was basing my argument on faulty information.

Interesting read. It's easy to get confused, isn't it? Post #7 was most insightful.

 

[Radogast]

I never really thought about it, but that's startling.

THC can be over 20% of the total weight of a bud?? All that plant material is only 80% or less?? The rest is all that one substance - THC ??

That just doesn't sit right. Yeah, yeah, I knew it was by weight, but I guess I assumed it was the % of some extraction or something.




[Edit] Ok, I get it now. It's actually a really cool illustration of the difference between two and three dimensional space. The entire surface of much of the bud is covered in a furry mass of THC resin. That's a LOT of surface area compared to the three dimensional volume of the bud. Like fins on a heat sink - a huge surface area in a small space. Think of how thin the leaf is compared to the coating of trichs.

It is a pretty amazing thought.

I found a study of Nepalese chili pepper where :

The capsaicin content was found to range from 2.19 to 19.73 mg/g of dry weight of Capsicum fruits.

That is 0.219 - 1.973 % capsaicin by weight.

Pretty amazing that cannabis has 10x as much THC as chili peppers have 'heat.'

For comparison:

Milk is nominally 3.25% fat
Coffee creamer is 18-30% fat

Egg yolks (chicken) are about 35% of the egg liquid
Egg yolks (chicken) are about 31% of the egg counting the shell

Sugar cane is 7-18% sucrose by weight
A sugar beet is 8-22% sucrose by weight

A human male athlete (male) is 6-13% body fat
An average teenager (male) is 23% body fat

A store bought turkey is 27% leg and thigh
A store bought turkey is 40% bone

Oatmeal averages 7% sugar (instant oatmeal 19%)
Children's cold cereals average 34% sugar (Kelloggs Fruit Loops are 48% sugar)



I'll stop now.

20% THC is a lot. THC is what marijuana does... more than sugar cane packages sugar, less than Kelloggs packages sugar.

 

[Duggan]

Morning SS , Gray and Gang....ya with the weight thing and % of THC....remember Gang...the heaviest thing on the MJ plant is those lil gland heads filled with resin, resin is the HEAVIEST part of our plant.That's why the numbers seem weird. just look at harvesting two weeks early as upposed to letting them ripen fully....that's when the weight comes on...when the resin does, period , no exceptions.Cheers everyone!

 

[SweetSue]

You have such beautiful girls I was wondering what the yellow spots on her were and why there were only on the dark and also in your opinion what do you think of molasses ? Thank you very much and you all look beautiful your a great mom


Outdoors organics

The spots... .... Yeah, that was me being overzealous with the essential oil tortue foliar. She was the first victim. I've since learned to shake that bottle up more often.

I use molasses for one purpose only in the garden, to nutralize the chloramines in the city water supply. Two tiny drops in a gallon, let it sit for ten minutes and the water's safe to use on living organic soil. Oh yes, I also use it as a sugar source in the compost teas.

I understand molasses is used with great frequency in some gardens, but I raise soil, not plants. Technically, my soil raises the plants. Molasses is essentially a sugar source, one that my soil has no need of. I grow in the Clackamas Coot's-style soil mix, and I'm following his basic plan for maintaining a plot of soil over generations of plants. I could do nothing but add water and grow amazing bud. Everything the soil needs is in there, and I'm constantly replenishing and adding to the available resources. To be honest, I couldn't tell you what molasses is used for in other gardens.

I'm a really lazy gardener, which is why I use this soil mix and went with no-till.

You might want to check again - The final SB3 as I understand it was NOT restricted to CBD - the words THC and CBD do not appear in the bill.

Oddly enough, prior to dispensaries opening, parents of minor children can import medical marijuana from other states for the minor - but adults cannot import medical marijuana for themselves

Call it freedom but let me keep my boot on your throat just a little longer, if you please. Politicians. I can't wish on them the taste of reality that would wake them up to the insanity of holding this plant hostage while we all fight to live healthier lives free from dangerous pharmaceuticals. We're gonna win in the end, but the opposition is going to do everything possible to slow us down.

Little steps though. Yes, I see the wisdom in gratefully accepting the small advances and the value in keeping the expectations high. I'll take some time today and readjust that negative flow that keeps trying to get a foothold. I find the older I get the less I tolerate politics. Another mindset I would do well to rethink.

I never really thought about it, but that's startling.

THC can be over 20% of the total weight of a bud?? All that plant material is only 80% or less?? The rest is all that one substance - THC ??

That just doesn't sit right. Yeah, yeah, I knew it was by weight, but I guess I assumed it was the % of some extraction or something.




[Edit] Ok, I get it now. It's actually a really cool illustration of the difference between two and three dimensional space. The entire surface of much of the bud is covered in a furry mass of THC resin. That's a LOT of surface area compared to the three dimensional volume of the bud. Like fins on a heat sink - a huge surface area in a small space. Think of how thin the leaf is compared to the coating of trichs.

It is a pretty amazing thought.

I found a study of Nepalese chili pepper where :

That is 0.219 - 1.973 % capsaicin by weight.

Pretty amazing that cannabis has 10x as much THC as chili peppers have 'heat.'

For comparison:

Milk is nominally 3.25% fat
Coffee creamer is 18-30% fat

Egg yolks (chicken) are about 35% of the egg liquid
Egg yolks (chicken) are about 31% of the egg counting the shell

Sugar cane is 7-18% sucrose by weight
A sugar beet is 8-22% sucrose by weight

A human male athlete (male) is 6-13% body fat
An average teenager (male) is 23% body fat

A store bought turkey is 27% leg and thigh
A store bought turkey is 40% bone

Oatmeal averages 7% sugar (instant oatmeal 19%)
Children's cold cereals average 34% sugar (Kelloggs Fruit Loops are 48% sugar)



I'll stop now.

20% THC is a lot. THC is what marijuana does... more than sugar cane packages sugar, less than Kelloggs packages sugar.

Morning SS , Gray and Gang....ya with the weight thing and % of THC....remember Gang...the heaviest thing on the MJ plant is those lil gland heads filled with resin, resin is the HEAVIEST part of our plant.That's why the numbers seem weird. just look at harvesting two weeks early as upposed to letting them ripen fully....that's when the weight comes on...when the resin does, period , no exceptions.Cheers everyone!

I want to thank you gentlemen for the stimulating conversation. This was an eye-opener, wasn't it? One of those conversations I should bookmark or note on my flow sheet so we can find it later. I'm gonna hit all three of you with reps for getting my brain fired up and ready to go today. Graytail, your flash of insight there flipped the light switch in my own brain. Now I get it too! Lol!

Rad, some scary numbers there with the way we push sugar onto our youth. It should give us all pause. It made me reach for more water and decide at long last to stop buying chocolate that isn't 90%.

I recall being fascinated yesterday during my research into the terpenes by the idea that most plants have a few terpenes. Cannabis has over a hundred. Think of the synergy that goes on in your body with so many musicians contributing to the final tone. I remember reading about a healer back in the 30s who listened for the body "tone" and then used his energy to fine tune it. As I've considered this over the decades since I read it, I've come to understand more and more the potential of what he was doing. I can see a strong possibility that a body in perfect balance would give off a harmonic vibration that corresponded with the universal tone of homeostasis.

Too aging hippie for you? Watch, I'll turn out to be right. I can share that I start every day encouraging my body to find that tone and join in the chorus of universal joy. Therein lies the motivation for my daily encouragement that you join me in sharing joy at every opportunity. We're all subtly contributing to universal balance.

Time to do an update. Exciting times. I had a harvest.

 

[SweetSue]

HARVEST: Med G.O.M. 1.0, Day 66

The breeder said 63 Days, and she was right on schedule.

She'll come in somewhere around an ounce. Her destiny is oil made into capsules and a healing salve to offer relief for rheumatoid arthritis. Time to step into the next phase of my education - oil production. I now have two plants I can use, one strong sativa in the Fantasmo Express, and this plant, an almost perfect balance of THC:CBD.

The Fantasmo Express's a racy high, as opposed to my preferred zippy. Can you understand the distinction? She looks like she'll be decent for oil yield, and I believe may be better for my purposes as an oil. I'll try her as an edible too and see if I can gauge a difference.

She's been hanging for five days now.

Looks like good resin production.

It fascinates me that I grew a plant that won't get me high. How far I've come. The Fantasmo Express balanced the scales, I suppose.