The Perpetual Healing Garden - SweetSue's Joyful Return

supergroomer said:
When I had my tents in the basement, I tried the fan attached to the ceiling. You could hear (and feel) the hum of the fan through the old pine floors. I put it back on the floor and it was not noticeable. :peace:
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I hang my fans with really strong Zip ties or with paracord. It cuts out the vibration and you wont hear or feel it upstairs. I don't usually like to keep anything electrical on the floor for fear of water contact.
 
Canyon said:
lexort,
Thanks for the input. Several things are coming together here. Of course she would have low a magnesium level. She is a well controlled diabetic where it comes to insulin levels. However, edema (Sp) and neuropathy are serious. I think I will opt for the pump spray version at Amazon unless someone has other input.

I keep a few bars of cbd chocolate that she still uses occasionally. Mix and match. I love medical experiments.

Sue,
I need to do some catching up on why there would be less of a ‘high’ with tacking. If so then why would Sativa and India strains differ when tacking?

My first thought would be that tacking and oil based sprays would both be a more direct and faster acting. I can understand the lack of a rush because of the long absorption time of the thick oil but not the lack of a high. The compounds have to get into the blood before they cross the blood brain barrier. (Now I am interested in trans-dermal.)

I had forgotten, the tincture I made with the high thc was mixed with coffee or an alcohol drink while the store bought cbd is intended to be kept in the mouth and absorbed.

I never know
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Just like smoking, vaping or eating different strains will have different effects. Sativas will tend to be more head less body and be more "uppy". Your indicas will give you a more relaxed body and help with sleep. While the "high" is not there, the underlying benefits of each strain will come out in the tacking.

As far as why you don't get high, Cajun can give the best explanation, but if I understand it all correctly, tacking allows a small amount of THC Delta 9 (not sure how to make the delta triangle) to activate your CB1 receptors before the body converts it to the more potent Delta 11. I hope I have that correct. :) :peace:
 
supergroomer said:
When I had my tents in the basement, I tried the fan attached to the ceiling. You could hear (and feel) the hum of the fan through the old pine floors. I put it back on the floor and it was not noticeable. :peace:
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i thought about mounting it directly to the ceiling, but i bet i would get the same results. there's a mobile wardrobe that i use to block the door.. because there is none lol.. but there's just enough room to mount it on top of it. the wardrobe turns sideways so it shouldn't cause too many problems. so long as it doesn't drive it like a jet engine lol.
 
supergroomer said:
Just like smoking, vaping or eating different strains will have different effects. Sativas will tend to be more head less body and be more "uppy". Your indicas will give you a more relaxed body and help with sleep. While the "high" is not there, the underlying benefits of each strain will come out in the tacking.

As far as why you don't get high, Cajun can give the best explanation, but if I understand it all correctly, tacking allows a small amount of THC Delta 9 (not sure how to make the delta triangle) to activate your CB1 receptors before the body converts it to the more potent Delta 11. I hope I have that correct. :) :peace:
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Sulpergroomer,
I have read two rather long articles on canabinoids and brain chemistry. It has been about a year and most of it is gone now. More reading. They dealt with what was going on in the brain not what was getting into the blood. More reading.

I do remember that there is some feedback on a chemical level in the brain that stops too much of a good thing.

CBG is another one I intend to do more reading on.

best
 
Wow, last time I checked the thread it only had 9 pages. I must develop the habit of checking your threads every two hours so I can keep up with them.
 
Canyon said:
lexort,
Thanks for the input. Several things are coming together here. Of course she would have low a magnesium level. She is a well controlled diabetic where it comes to insulin levels. However, edema (Sp) and neuropathy are serious. I think I will opt for the pump spray version at Amazon unless someone has other input.

I keep a few bars of cbd chocolate that she still uses occasionally. Mix and match. I love medical experiments.

Sue,
I need to do some catching up on why there would be less of a 'high' with tacking. If so then why would Sativa and India strains differ when tacking?

My first thought would be that tacking and oil based sprays would both be a more direct and faster acting. I can understand the lack of a rush because of the long absorption time of the thick oil but not the lack of a high. The compounds have to get into the blood before they cross the blood brain barrier. (Now I am interested in trans-dermal.)

I had forgotten, the tincture I made with the high thc was mixed with coffee or an alcohol drink while the store bought cbd is intended to be kept in the mouth and absorbed.

I never know
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Canyon, let me take the time to draft a complete response to your questions. I just got back to the house and want to consult a couple references before I jump into this one. The short answer though is that tacking bypasses the gut, where enzymes convert THC into its euphoric state. I'll post more later.
 
SweetSue said:
Canyon, let me take the time to draft a complete response to your questions. I just got back to the house and want to consult a couple references before I jump into this one. The short answer though is that tacking bypasses the gut, where enzymes convert THC into its euphoric state. I'll post more later.
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I will be eagerly anticipating this explanation as well.

:battingeyelashes:
 
SweetSue said:
Canyon, let me take the time to draft a complete response to your questions. I just got back to the house and want to consult a couple references before I jump into this one. The short answer though is that tacking bypasses the gut, where enzymes convert THC into its euphoric state. I'll post more later.
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I'm quite interested in this as well. My doctors have no clue what's wrong with me, and I have a doctor relative in another city who suggested tacking. I'm not overly familiar with it, so this is really interesting.
 
Why don't you get high when tacking?

The answer isn't as easy to come by as I'd have liked. I've been lost in study for hours now. Cajun informed me that the question should be

"Why does tacking a small dose relieve euphoria?"

Obviously he expects me to have the persistence and intelligence to ferret this information out myself. I'm very close to understanding what's going on and figuring out how to explain it in a manner that we can all understand. Please be patient with me. I will get this.
 
Dr Bob said:
Hi Sue!

May I hang out in your healing garden too?

:Namaste:
Bob
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Now I feel really bad about passing your yard so many times, pausing for a moment to look longingly in your direction, and then allowing myself to be distracted by something else. I've missed your journal Dr. Bob. I really need to stop.

I'd be honored to have you join the fun here. :circle-of-love:

I'm lost in study now. The gypsy's left some good tunes on his electro music thread driving me to keep going a while longer tonight before I let myself stop. I'll let it percolate while I sleep and let my mind pull it all together. By tomorrow night I'm going to have some decent understanding of how the body processes the cannabinoids and how smaller doses spread over many applications through the day relieves euphoria. It's got something to do with the THC/CBD ratios, but to be honest, it's not sticking yet. Like pieces to the puzzle floating in space looking for their spots to slip into place.

I love this part of the process of learning something new even as I feel frustrated about it. I'm going back in now. I'll probably read until I fall asleep, so I'll see you all in the morning. :battingeyelashes: :green_heart:



Edit: hahaha! I posted this at 1:47. It's 3:00 and I'm finally getting to bed. :laughtwo: There's really no hope for me, is there?
 
I do these searches for knowledge and I stumble upon statements like this one that stop me in my tracks and leave me so frustrated that I could scream.

"Many diabetics who have taken the oil find that after about six weeks on the oil that they no longer require insulin since their pancreas is again doing its job."

And once again I'm smacked in the face with the reality that this damned prohibition cost me my beloved when the answer was right there in front of us. I could have healed him.
 
Here's where I am at the moment:

When you tack, technically you are euphoric, but because you started off using small doses and increased the doses slowly, spacing them out over the course of the day your body builds a tolerance to the oil's euphoric effects and you don't feel it in the same way you do when you swamp the system with high doses of cannabinoids, as in eating or smoking cannabis. You level the effects out so you have no "highs" or "lows", just a general feeling of wellness.

I remembered this from Cajun's cancer protocol thread:

cajuncelt said:
When you "Tack" you are bypassing the blood/brain barrier with a very good percentage of cannabinoids left intact to do their thing.Doing their thing is activating the CB-1 receptors in specific parts of the brain which are the hippocampus, cerebral cortex, cerebellum and the hypothalamus.The CB-1 receptors stimulate the production of 2-AG, anandamide, serotonin & dopamine.

This is why you feel good. You are technically high along with these elements albeit slightly. Your brain feels like its in a state of homeostasis, which is awesome. Your blood pressure balances out, blood glucose levels balance, hair & nails grow stronger. There a lots of benefits.
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This is the cliff notes version. I'm still working on understanding and explaining the complexities of what's going on in the brain when the cannabinoids bypass the brain/blood barrier, because I can hear some of you thinking, as I am, that this immediate access to the neurons should mean instant euphoria. There's a critical piece to the puzzle I haven't discovered yet. I think I'm may find it in Tim's posts, but to be honest, I find the man was difficult to follow sometimes. His lack of formatting skills makes for challenging reading. It's also tied in somehow to the THC/CBD ratios of the oil.

Tim knew it worked, but I'm not convinced he understood the complexities himself. I'm driven to be able to explain the science behind it and I'm hobbled by the fact that this technique was developed by one of our own and hasn't been studied by researchers yet, so I first need to understand a bit of neuroscience, and deepen my understanding of the Endocannabinoid System and just how the cannabinoids activate the receptors.

:laughtwo: It's like going back to school, except there's no teacher on hand to consult.

There are other factors that come into play: you make sure the body is hydrated, you make sure you've had something to eat about 30 minutes before, preferably something like a spoonful of coconut oil to occupy the liver and increase bioavailibility and you're careful about avoiding swallowing any of the oil while tacking.

But I think it's mostly due to using small quantities in multiple applications spaced over the course of the day. I'll sleep on it and see if I can pull it together in the morning. It's 2:12 AM, and I've been at it since 4PM. :laughtwo: I think I'll call it a day.

Goodnight my friends. Tomorrow we'll have insight and understanding. :battingeyelashes: :green_heart:
 
cajuncelt said:
I was trying to clarify what the specific question was.
Guess I didn't read far enough back. This thread runs too fast. Lol.
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:laughtwo: We, or more directly, I do maintain a fast pace mon ami. You're rephrasing of the question unlocked something in my brain though, so it was a good thing.
 
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