The Mountain: Grow Support From The Over 50 Club

Wow, with the red stems and blotchy leaves it sure looks like a micronutrient or ph problem. I don't understand why they're not responding. Did you check your soil ph too? Did you try a flush before you started doing the Cal Mag thing?

I'm stumped. Unless maybe you waited too long to address the problem and they've begun a cascade ... wish I could help more.

I don't have a lot of experience with the hybrid girls. They tend to be more finicky, easier to kill. I go for strong genetics. Less problems.

~ Auggie ~
 
Yeah uptheholler2 from the bottom up with 300watt LED and I too foliar spray at first light. My clones are doing it too. Also I'm 3 weeks into flower 4 weeks since flipping and the Can Orange is flowered and building the purple Maroc is barely there. Female hairs at the base of the nodes but no flower. Describe as early flowering by all who grew this strain. Just weird.
 
In that case -- you know what the problem is.

You have high maintenance girls there. You know to avoid them next time.

~ Auggie ~
 
Hey there Mountain Climbers. I've got a question that I'd like to throw y'all way.

I grew up on a farm and was told at a very young age about the correlation between moon phases and farming/gardening activities. Since there was always a Farmers Almanac laying around the house that confirmed what I being told I always considered this lunar phase / plant correlation thing to be a fact and not simply folklore, and not just Grandpa trying to pull the wool over my eyes as he sometimes used to do.

How many of you reference the lunar phase as part of your garden planning such as planting seeds, taking cuttings, harvest, and whatnot in order to get seedlings established, promote vigorous root or vegetative growth, maximize crop yields, etc? For those who do reference lunar phases when planning your gardening activities do you feel that there is benefit in doing so?

:peace:
 
I use it for seeds germination and sometimes for feeding, I also harvest with the full moon if there's such a possibility.
 
One of the things that I often question is the recommendation to plant above ground leafy type crops such as cannabis shortly after a new moon or as the moon begins to grow (waxing moon phase) in order to maximize above grown growth.

I'm not one to be in a hurry during veg. When growing from seed I prefer to focus on getting a good root ball established rather than put too much emphasis on top growth development. My theory is that you want to go into bloom with as healthy a root ball as possible which will result in optimum cation exchange and nutrient uptake during bud development.
So for a guy like me that's looking for strong root development and not supersonic top growth during the early days wouldn't it be better to plant seeds during a waning moon (Full moon decreasing to new moon) such as what is recommended for below ground crops such as carrots and potatoes?

Or maybe it would be best to get a bit of top growth established first so that there are some leaves available to fuel photosynthesis which in turn build up the roots during the first waning moon cycle which would follow seedling germination? In other words, you can't really begin to build a good root system without first having leaves.

Also, wouldn't it be best to root cuttings during at the front side of the waning moon phase since what you're after initially is root development?
 
UncleCannabis said:
Hey there Mountain Climbers. I've got a question that I'd like to throw y'all way.

I grew up on a farm and was told at a very young age about the correlation between moon phases and farming/gardening activities. Since there was always a Farmers Almanac laying around the house that confirmed what I being told I always considered this lunar phase / plant correlation thing to be a fact and not simply folklore, and not just Grandpa trying to pull the wool over my eyes as he sometimes used to do.

How many of you reference the lunar phase as part of your garden planning such as planting seeds, taking cuttings, harvest, and whatnot in order to get seedlings established, promote vigorous root or vegetative growth, maximize crop yields, etc? For those who do reference lunar phases when planning your gardening activities do you feel that there is benefit in doing so?

:peace:
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You may be familiar with breeder Bodhi Moon. His book Master Gardener's Medical Cannabis Secrets - Learn to Grow Nor-Cal Style includes at least a chapter on moon phase & astrological considerations. :Namaste:
 
Thanks for the tip BrightLight.
I've heard of Bodhi Seeds but haven't hear of this book. I'm always looking for a good read.
:thanks:
 
Some of that moon phase lunacy is actually based in bug and female gestation cycles. Females were the gathers at the dawn of mankind and thus linked to moon cycles and moon mythos. Many bugs gestate according to moon, seasonal and annual phases to coincide with the availability of certain flora with matching cycles.

During certain phases of the moon, some parasites are more likely to contaminate a newly planted field or the farmers and farm animals planting the seeds.

As for me, I don't mess with planting if I feel particularly achy or bitchy when its that time of my moon cycle.
 
LOL!
I'm referring to the gravitational effect that the moon has on the earth and how it relates to plants. Similar to the way the gravitation pull of the moon causes ocean tides it also causes the same effect on the water content of plants.
:peace:
 
UncleCannabis said:
LOL!
I'm referring to the gravitational effect that the moon has on the earth and how it relates to plants. Similar to the way the gravitation pull of the moon causes ocean tides it also causes the same effect on the water content of plants.
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Hugs!

We are still talking about the same thing even if you are talking about ocean tides. Much of my knowledge of native Hawaiian ethnobotany comes from my Hawaiian grandfather who was a Hawaiian fisherman, koa wood farmer, paniolo (Hawaiian cowboy) and surfer.

The gravitational pull of the lunar phases on tides not only affect the availability of fish, seaweed and pesky jellyfish, it also stimulates the activity of bugs that are more sensitive to fluctuations in pressure and gasses released by certain flora in the rhizosphere. The soil is as much a living, moving environment as the ocean. In Polynesia, during typhoon season, the sudden rise and drop in barometric pressure is cause for calling in all females 7+ months pregnant to camp out in naval hospitals when a typhoon warning is up. Typhoons and hurricanes are all part of the cyclical pull of ocean tides which create a coriolis effect that seeds a low pressure system which, in turn, can seed a tropical storm under the right variables. Thus, fishermen, farmers and females are linked to the ancient lunar coriolis choreography.
 
I wasn't aware of the entomology aspects of lunar phases but I am from the Gulf Coast (land of hurricanes) so I know what you mean about the effect that it has on weather. And you're right, the lunar phases affect much more than many folks realize such as increased accident and death rates during full moon, digging a hole then finding that when you go back to fill it you have either too much or not enough dirt, etc...

Maybe I should have been more specific with my question. I was hoping to get folks experiences with rooting cuttings during different lunar phases and if any noticeable difference in success ratios or clone vigor was experienced. Same for planting from seed, if any differences were noticed.

Anyways, thanks the entolomolgy lesson. I'm sure this will spark my interest to learn more about this.
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Hugs again, UncleC.
:Namaste:

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Clone vigor in the wild can be affected by lunar phase in the way the moon affects the tides and hence coriolis formations. It's like one big Rube Goldberg device where the actions of thing A causes a chain of events that eventually affect Z.

Since the gravitational pull of the moon affects the tides which in turn sets up a chain of events which whips up wind and storm systems, the increase in soil moisture from rain coupled with the pneumatic effect wind has blowing through leaves, plants release ethylene to aid in the uptake of moisture. Uprooted plants can still reproduce themselves via cloning even though they have not created seeds. They are full of wind stress induced parenchymal material, moisture and plant hormones from struggling against the storm.

At home, we play the hand of god by tricking cuttings into storm mode by inducing parenchymal production and increasing plant hormones which would have otherwise be caused by winds which were the by product of a storm system seeded by a distant coriolis at sea which was the result of lunar forces.

I just plan cuttings around the time I start a fresh batch of hemp sprouts. The liquid from sprouting hemp has the perfect blend of enzymes and growth hormones for root production. Sprouts for consumption grow faster than seeds planted singularly because of the combined effect of group energy and shared abundance of enzymes and growth hormones.

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2 Day Old Cannabis sativa L. sprouts.​

As for direct affect of lunar gravity on a plant, I think what is more likely being affected is the humidity from weather systems which in turn affects the life cycle of mold and other pathogens that could infect a cutting.
 
Ok, cool. I'll bring my girls out back on the patio and hose em' down with the garden hose while my buddy gives em' a good artificial hurricane session with my ole' leaf blower.

I assume that doing this for about an hour or until the leaf blower runs out of gas would mimic a thunderstorm and should get those hormones that you're talking about flowing like a river of tears and beers.

Once were done (assuming my leaf blower doesn't break down) I'll then go ahead and take cuttings and ask my buddy to never ever tell anyone that we did this.....it'll remain our little secret lest anyone find out and report us for psychiatric evaluation/treatment.

Should we do this on a full moon, new moon, half moon,....??? :)
 
A painted full moon on a stick may work. Move it very gently across the 'sky' while running the blower and hose. Be sure to crazy glue magnets on the fake moon for full effect. Probably you'll see increased growth :thumb: but don't forget to factor in the cost of beer/whiskey for the moon operator and the blowing hosing crew.
* be sure the moon operator retains a slow gentle progression across the 'sky', not a waving or jerking movement, and they must remain hidden and not talk or swear, or the plant will begin to suspect, and growth will slow.
 
Great idea Weaselcracker!! I kind of figured this would end up taking a 3rd person. :)
 
If the plant does begin to suspect it's being bamboozled and shows signs of developing a surly attitude regarding this hurricane, you may consider feeding it whiskey or beer as well to keep it focused.
 
Richard Richardson said:
A blue moon on a tall stick,

stuck into soft soil,

would look more realistic

and reduce your friend's toil.
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It's not easy trying to fool ole' Mother Nature so I think I'll still plan to include the magnets.
 
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