Noob4x4grow
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My mom used to talk about panama red and acapulco gold when I was a young lad, she was a hippy. I used to think I was smoking Panama red every time I found some weed with red hairs in the 90s.
Noob4x4grow
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Have you thought about using rockwool croutons for your set-up weasel? Perfect for DTW
Kriaze
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Hey hey Weaselcracker, I only went and finally did it. Hope you can visit when you get the chance, there's a 
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Thanks guys. Sorry for the dwindling of this thread lately. I will get back to these posts when I'm able to give this journal proper attention, and a more positive energy. Things have been going a little sideways lately and I look forward to this shifting directions hopefully soon. All the best. 
Cheers weaseley,, one busy time of the year, no question,, i keep trolling along, merrily I might add,, one day, there will be extra minutes,, one day,, cheers friend,,
solareclipse
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Oh yeah that reminds me- I forgot to do an update here for the solo cup herd
Been busy I guess...
These photos are from a couple days ago. Maybe three days ago? I don't know- I can only ever remember back a few hours, then it's all a blur for me, lost in the mists of 'the before time'... Anyway- they're fatter now, than they were when I took these photos, to be sure.
Lemon skunk
Ace Mix 1
Ace mix 2. I'll try to get some better photos of her next time. Funny little thing.
White Widow. The tallest girl at 21" from the surface. She's really not very photogenic. In real life she actually doesn't look as burnt and trashed as she does in photos. Having said that- I've tried to grow this White Widow strain a few times now and it has been nothing but a complete pain in the ass every time I've tried. So if she wants to make a fuss, be all psycho and flaunt her 'crazy hair' look at me all the time, she can go right ahead.
You don't have a piece of me, baby.
Last three pics are the Critical Cheese. Cheesy is probably the healthiest girl of the bunch and has no real issues. She knows she's beautiful.
i love this way of growing outdoor....many and small...thats why i try to get some pollen and i got 20 (almst different stains) to combinite them and get my own seeds from one father from short staff and many mothers frommany seedbanks and strains...if this goes succes i will only grow like this..FOR SAFETY......
nice buds here...subs
millertm
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You are fighting a root bound issue. I can not believe how tall that plant is without a root ball. You need to use one gallon per 30 days of growing. 3 month auto needs #3. Your plants will do much better when you let the roots grow more.
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I did like some things about growing those tiny plants. It's a quick turnaround from start to finish, and a great way to try new strains, they're incredibly easy to trim at harvest, and it's quite painless if they get messed up or die, unlike a larger plant that I've invested half a year of work into.
Millertm, those plants which solareclipse reposted were just a one-off experiment in solo cups, part of an experiment to see how they would cope in such tiny pots. They're harvested and gone. My regular plants are in ten gallon pots.
Were they fighting root bound issues? I would think so, but if so - it was hard to tell. I mean, they varied by strain in how well they did. The White Widow in particular looked like crap most of the way through. I've grown the same WW strain (from Seedsman) a few times in the past, in regular size containers, and it always was totally fussy for me and always looked like crap. I'm sure it just has special needs, but I don't care, I won't grow it again.
Some of those plants, the Ace Mix ones, and in particular the Critical Cheese, seemed completely healthy and happy in those little cups. Actually the Lemon Skunks did fine as well, now that I think about it. Keep in mind that they were in perlite and coco, in a DTW grow, a situation which can work well with small containers.
I honestly couldn't find a single thing wrong with that Critical Cheese, and I'm pretty perfectionist, there's 'always' something wrong with my plants.
I wish I could say the same about my bigger plants at the moment! They've had a few ups and downs the last month. After seven years of growing soilless in sunshine mix, and seven years of battling ph issues, I'm looking around for a different system. Mainly I've been picking away at the puzzle of sourcing ingredients here for a good organic soil mix. Also considering hempy style. And/or I will probably be starting up the Hexapus to run a few plants under, in rockwool, coco, or perlite.
What are my other options. Hmmm...
I even considered Hi-Brix. Have decided to pass on that idea for now. Seems, from the advice I got, that I wouldn't be around enough to give it the attention it needs.
Life has been off the rails busy lately, and things got a little weird there for a while, but are picking up I think. I'm slowly wending my way through the obstacle course/minefield and look forward to posting here more soon!
Millertm, those plants which solareclipse reposted were just a one-off experiment in solo cups, part of an experiment to see how they would cope in such tiny pots. They're harvested and gone. My regular plants are in ten gallon pots.
Were they fighting root bound issues? I would think so, but if so - it was hard to tell. I mean, they varied by strain in how well they did. The White Widow in particular looked like crap most of the way through. I've grown the same WW strain (from Seedsman) a few times in the past, in regular size containers, and it always was totally fussy for me and always looked like crap. I'm sure it just has special needs, but I don't care, I won't grow it again.
Some of those plants, the Ace Mix ones, and in particular the Critical Cheese, seemed completely healthy and happy in those little cups. Actually the Lemon Skunks did fine as well, now that I think about it. Keep in mind that they were in perlite and coco, in a DTW grow, a situation which can work well with small containers.
I honestly couldn't find a single thing wrong with that Critical Cheese, and I'm pretty perfectionist, there's 'always' something wrong with my plants.
I wish I could say the same about my bigger plants at the moment! They've had a few ups and downs the last month. After seven years of growing soilless in sunshine mix, and seven years of battling ph issues, I'm looking around for a different system. Mainly I've been picking away at the puzzle of sourcing ingredients here for a good organic soil mix. Also considering hempy style. And/or I will probably be starting up the Hexapus to run a few plants under, in rockwool, coco, or perlite.
What are my other options. Hmmm...
I even considered Hi-Brix. Have decided to pass on that idea for now. Seems, from the advice I got, that I wouldn't be around enough to give it the attention it needs.
Life has been off the rails busy lately, and things got a little weird there for a while, but are picking up I think. I'm slowly wending my way through the obstacle course/minefield and look forward to posting here more soon!
millertm
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I was just looking at size to root ratio. Thanks for explaining, I'm sure I missed that somewhere above.
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AKgramma
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WC: I probably suggested this once before, but here goes. Since you have to be away from the garden a lot, You need an environment that retains the moisture for long periods of time. Since a closed dome is ideal for rooting cuttings, a larger adaptation might work for you. The first idea is for a soil grow. Both ideas would be for veg, because I thinnk the RH would be too high for plants in flower.
Get yourself a bunch of very large (30 gal?) transparent or translucent storage/trash bags at the wholesale warehouse in your area (Sam's or Costco).
* Plant in soil and place the pots inside the bags.
* Tie the tops and poke/cut ventilation holes in the bags. You don't want 100% RH, but higher than usual.
You might try tying some of the bags lower, like just around the pots and tie around the stem, and some over the whole plant, to see what works best in your climate. Test this during a period you will be home, to see how many holes and what method works.
* You can open the bags and roll the edges down when you are in house, tending to them on a daily basis.
* When you need to be away, water well, and just roll the bag back up and secure.
When you return, you can roll the bags down and manicure the plants.
Another idea: Could work with any type of grow medium.
If you're scrogging and have to leave it for a week or so, make your tent as water-tight as possible by draping it with visqueen and duct tape. I would also leave the ventilation system running. The idea is to provide a moist RH without so much condensation that things rot. Maybe tuck some plastic wrap around the pots to reduce evaporation, since condensation tends to rise to the top of the tent.
Just brainstorming here. It might be worth trying out while you are in-house to see what works for you.
Get yourself a bunch of very large (30 gal?) transparent or translucent storage/trash bags at the wholesale warehouse in your area (Sam's or Costco).
* Plant in soil and place the pots inside the bags.
* Tie the tops and poke/cut ventilation holes in the bags. You don't want 100% RH, but higher than usual.
You might try tying some of the bags lower, like just around the pots and tie around the stem, and some over the whole plant, to see what works best in your climate. Test this during a period you will be home, to see how many holes and what method works.
* You can open the bags and roll the edges down when you are in house, tending to them on a daily basis.
* When you need to be away, water well, and just roll the bag back up and secure.
When you return, you can roll the bags down and manicure the plants.
Another idea: Could work with any type of grow medium.
If you're scrogging and have to leave it for a week or so, make your tent as water-tight as possible by draping it with visqueen and duct tape. I would also leave the ventilation system running. The idea is to provide a moist RH without so much condensation that things rot. Maybe tuck some plastic wrap around the pots to reduce evaporation, since condensation tends to rise to the top of the tent.
Just brainstorming here. It might be worth trying out while you are in-house to see what works for you.
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Ak, thanks for brainstorming on my behalf and writing those ideas out. I appreciate it you taking the time.
I don't have much a problem with them drying out. Currently it takes six days or so for them to dry out- which is about what I want. I could change this a little in either direction by tweaking pot size and temps, but 5 or 6 days works best for me. So- while I appreciate the ideas, I don't feel like I need to implement anything to keep the pots wet for longer.
My problem is- I just find that the quality of the plants in my grow is a bit erratic. I don't seem to achieve that state of perfect health very often. It's always elusive. Surely I've been doing this long enough that it shouldn't be so unpredictable. One month I think I finally have it figured out, the next everything goes for shit.
My plants have been acting funny with slow growth. Leaves are droopy and curly. The color is off.
About a month ago I decided to give them all a flush because the plants were looking so uninspiring. It's true that I've had some minor ph swings. I found out that the storage solution I've been using tends to 'uncalibrate' my probe, and I have to calibrate every time I use it now. When I stored the probe in plain water it doesn't shift much at all in the course of a month. So I'm discontinuing using the storage solution.
Ph is almost always to blame for my problems. This time is no exception. I'm sure that the problems are ph related. Still- these were pretty minor swings. I've stayed in the 5.6-6 range. Runoff seems decent if a little low. I think there must be more at work. The plants seem finicky. I'm always chasing some issue or other.
Here are a couple tricks left to try for this sunshine mix medium, before I give up and move on.
Beneficial teas. I haven't been using teas in the last 6 months or so- mainly because I've been lazy or too short on time to brew them. So I gave them a tea last weekend. Possibly getting a little more micro life scurrying around in the root zone will help them and they'll be more resilient. This is my main hope at the moment.
Better drainage. I'm trying to find time to order up a bunch of perlite. The sunshine mix has perlite, but I'm not convinced it's enough. If I add more perlite they'll start drying out faster over the course of the week and then I'll have to do a little dance to sort that out.
Possibly starting fresh strains from seed. I've been running some of these ones for about 18 months from clone. That doesn't seem very long to me, but I've heard conflicting ideas about how long you can keep cutting clones of clones.
I'm hoping Tead will come along and reassure me that I can go five or even six days between waterings in hempy.
I think if I could wave my magic grow wand right now and set everything up like I want in my dreams I would have - the Hexapus going running a few small DTW plants, a couple hempys, and about half the grow going in LOS.
I will continue to flail away at making this dream a reality!
I don't have much a problem with them drying out. Currently it takes six days or so for them to dry out- which is about what I want. I could change this a little in either direction by tweaking pot size and temps, but 5 or 6 days works best for me. So- while I appreciate the ideas, I don't feel like I need to implement anything to keep the pots wet for longer.
My problem is- I just find that the quality of the plants in my grow is a bit erratic. I don't seem to achieve that state of perfect health very often. It's always elusive. Surely I've been doing this long enough that it shouldn't be so unpredictable. One month I think I finally have it figured out, the next everything goes for shit.
My plants have been acting funny with slow growth. Leaves are droopy and curly. The color is off.
About a month ago I decided to give them all a flush because the plants were looking so uninspiring. It's true that I've had some minor ph swings. I found out that the storage solution I've been using tends to 'uncalibrate' my probe, and I have to calibrate every time I use it now. When I stored the probe in plain water it doesn't shift much at all in the course of a month. So I'm discontinuing using the storage solution.
Ph is almost always to blame for my problems. This time is no exception. I'm sure that the problems are ph related. Still- these were pretty minor swings. I've stayed in the 5.6-6 range. Runoff seems decent if a little low. I think there must be more at work. The plants seem finicky. I'm always chasing some issue or other.
Here are a couple tricks left to try for this sunshine mix medium, before I give up and move on.
Beneficial teas. I haven't been using teas in the last 6 months or so- mainly because I've been lazy or too short on time to brew them. So I gave them a tea last weekend. Possibly getting a little more micro life scurrying around in the root zone will help them and they'll be more resilient. This is my main hope at the moment.
Better drainage. I'm trying to find time to order up a bunch of perlite. The sunshine mix has perlite, but I'm not convinced it's enough. If I add more perlite they'll start drying out faster over the course of the week and then I'll have to do a little dance to sort that out.
Possibly starting fresh strains from seed. I've been running some of these ones for about 18 months from clone. That doesn't seem very long to me, but I've heard conflicting ideas about how long you can keep cutting clones of clones.
I'm hoping Tead will come along and reassure me that I can go five or even six days between waterings in hempy.
I think if I could wave my magic grow wand right now and set everything up like I want in my dreams I would have - the Hexapus going running a few small DTW plants, a couple hempys, and about half the grow going in LOS.
I will continue to flail away at making this dream a reality!
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Spitz- I will have to give a tour of the grow when I feel more happy about how things are going, and less rushed. This journal is meant to be a scrapbook, so anything goes. Lately it's felt more like a scrapyard than a scrapbook, but at some point soon I trust I'll have pulled more bunnies out of my sleeves and have more to show off.
And Noob, I didn't miss your question. Tried to post about my past dreams of growing in rockwool, but kept getting waylaid. Will return to it.
And Noob, I didn't miss your question. Tried to post about my past dreams of growing in rockwool, but kept getting waylaid. Will return to it.
I just let my 2L hempy go 4 days between. I didn't notice any issues.
So, yea, I feel pretty good reassuring you that it's not an issue. I'd, of course, suggest 5gal container... tho I might not listen to my own advise and just use my standard 2.5gal buckets.
Funny, I was reading along thinking "Gee... he knows he can do that in hempy buckets doesn't he?"... then I ran into the last paragraph and chuckled a touch.
AKgramma
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In MY experience clones CAN lose their vigour, esp if you haven't changed your routine over time. You DO say you have changed their tea schedule. So that's one factor.
Do you sterilize your pots with a bleach solution or boiling water after harvest and before replanting? Living microbes give off toxins when they metabolize (like mammals pee and poop) and there are OTHER microorganisms that feed off their dead bodies, most notably fungus. Those spores can live inside the pot for Millennia in encapsulated form. Sterilizing your pots, containers, and tools in between harvests eliminates the fungus spores.
You need to break the decomposition cycle and get it back to pristine conditions.
When I started giving my "worn-out" OGK clones regular feedings, they started to grow bigger leaves. Since OGK grows VERY slow, it will be many months before I get them to maturity, and hopefully better health than their mother plant, who is now deceased.
My BBL and mystery clones are THRIVING beyond my expectations with the new feeding schedule (full feeding of all the nutes).
BTW, good to know that WW is a finicky Bitch. Sounds like my OGKs, which attract mites and tend to get nute deficiencies, and whose stems get very brittle early on, so tying down past a certain point becomes impossible without breakage.
Do you sterilize your pots with a bleach solution or boiling water after harvest and before replanting? Living microbes give off toxins when they metabolize (like mammals pee and poop) and there are OTHER microorganisms that feed off their dead bodies, most notably fungus. Those spores can live inside the pot for Millennia in encapsulated form. Sterilizing your pots, containers, and tools in between harvests eliminates the fungus spores.
You need to break the decomposition cycle and get it back to pristine conditions.
When I started giving my "worn-out" OGK clones regular feedings, they started to grow bigger leaves. Since OGK grows VERY slow, it will be many months before I get them to maturity, and hopefully better health than their mother plant, who is now deceased.
My BBL and mystery clones are THRIVING beyond my expectations with the new feeding schedule (full feeding of all the nutes).
BTW, good to know that WW is a finicky Bitch. Sounds like my OGKs, which attract mites and tend to get nute deficiencies, and whose stems get very brittle early on, so tying down past a certain point becomes impossible without breakage.
Weasel this is Twister. I got her beans in the late 90s and have basically been cloning her for 20 years. My buddy kept her the last two years when I was taking a break but she's back now and this is the first time I have flowered her in several years.
AKgramma
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ShiggityFlip: Thank you for the encouraging post! Is this a clone of a clone of a clone, years down the line? Or did you manage to keep the mother alive for 20 years?
What is your secret? Is it careful attention to environment and nutes? Did you have to make any changes as you went through generations of clones?
What is your secret? Is it careful attention to environment and nutes? Did you have to make any changes as you went through generations of clones?
Clone of a clone of a clone...x100...seedling. Hee hee. I have several rules for best maintenance.
1. Keep at LEAST two copies and make sure both are healthy. Better to have four or more.
2. Never clone off a plant that is not absolutely stunning. You don't want to take a clone from a less than perfect sample. They may have damaged chromosomes from mutation. By only cloning the absolute best plants you make sure the genetics are protected as much as possible.
3. Never reveg unless last resort, and never clone off a reveg plant unless the last resort!
4. Never put something into flower without checking for healthy sisters in veg.
The mother was gone after a few months. I have not noticed any significant changes. Twister is not a top notch rooter but she never was. And her flowers this time through are looking great.
AKgramma
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SF: Would you please repost this in my journal? Although I never will have stunning plants, growing under cfl's, your cloning principals are worth saving in my journal, so I can refer to them once in a while.
Look to the bottom left of the post and you will see "blog this post" This lets you save the info in your blog.