The DeVille's White Widow & Bubbleicious - 8 Plants Under 2x Mars Pro II 320

I honestly have no clue. 3 auto's - totally untrained - in a overcrowded tent. I don't have high hopes :) If I did some training maybe but nah. I need the space for all the clones. I will take a photo later so you all can see what I'm talking about. Have been so occupied with the main grow and setting up the new tent I kinda neglected the autos. They were supposed to grow outside, but summer never came. I'll be happy if I get 50-70 grams in total from the 3 under that 400 watt lamp. The tent is full of rooted clones in different stages of life and some are still very fragile and I do not want to not fry them, I'm not even giving the auto's a flowering spectrum. I put in new clones in the tent every day so I'll be out of room completely soon :) Then I wonder if I should move the autos to the main-room. They could use the extra light from the lamps in there. Plenty of room on the side of the scrog. Hmmm - maybe I should have done that long time ago


coopexquisite said:
How much would you prefer to get? Is that what you are thinking for each plant or overall?
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How much would I prefer to get? I don't know really. First thought was a ton, but that wouldn't be good for the paranoia. Maybe 100kg?
 
that's slightly irrational you DeVille you. In this country it doesn't matter if they catch you with 100 kg or a ton. You get the same sentence anyway. Think everything above a kg is considered "pro-drug-crime"
 
DeVille said:
I honestly have no clue. 3 auto's - totally untrained - in a overcrowded tent. I don't have high hopes :) If I did some training maybe but nah. I need the space for all the clones. I will take a photo later so you all can see what I'm talking about. Have been so occupied with the main grow and setting up the new tent I kinda neglected the autos. They were supposed to grow outside, but summer never came. I'll be happy if I get 50-70 grams in total from the 3 under that 400 watt lamp. The tent is full of rooted clones in different stages of life and some are still very fragile and I do not want to not fry them, I'm not even giving the auto's a flowering spectrum. I put in new clones in the tent every day so I'll be out of room completely soon :) Then I wonder if I should move the autos to the main-room. They could use the extra light from the lamps in there. Plenty of room on the side of the scrog. Hmmm - maybe I should have done that long time ago
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If you wanna run an experiment you could throw one auto in the main room and see how different they grow, but if you have the room, give em more light.
 
Signed on to see that Ton! I'm pulling for ya.
 
Here you can see the problem. Due to my many cloning experiments, me trying to keep a copy of each seed planted of a strain until it's done flowering so I can make sure to keep the genetics of only the best plants and also the 100% success rate on all weird experiments lately. I even have re-vegged clones here, with roots and alive :)

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Left: 1x Jack herer (auto) & 2x loveryder (auto) - Right: big-bud, pure power plant, bubbleicious, white widow.

Keeping 6 strains in there right now and I still have one cloning experiment going. I believe I will have 4 more clones in there in not so long. Keep topping them to keep them that short. Will choose one of each strain to become a mother.

The positive surprise is of course the Jack Herer auto. It's looking good and it's growing nice buds. The 2x loveryders were planted the same day and I can only see preflowers so far on one of them and some extremely tiny buds on the other. They are supposed to be dwarf plants so I have no clue what to expect. But they're supposed to be finished very soon according to the breeders data.

The temp measurer you can see in the tent - Top is inside this tent and bottom is the MH-Powerhouse. The heating from this tent goes directly into that tent to share the heat so to speak. Saves tons of electricity

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Jack Herer (Auto)
 
Did any of you grow with beneficial bacteria? Since I added that to the soil, the plants look super happy. But what a fucking stink! Puh! Or Maybe it's that rocket fuel thing I gave them?
 
Indeed - To be one of the most neglected plants ever during any of my grows, I must say I am impressed. I mean - I put it out early spring in a garage, cold as a fridge. I let it suffer there for almost a month before I added some heating. Now they're all back to thriving. I just didn't care until I saw the mothers started to wilt. Then it was about time to do something about it. I refuse to lose those genetics. I love them so much.

Ditchweed242 said:
That Jack Herer looks awesome Deville.

Cheers
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I use beneficial bacteria, though it doesn't stink. I use Recharge from realgrowers. I've had situations where I'd mix up a batch, and if not used in a day or two, then it would start to stink in the jug, but never had any problems with odor in the media. I use rock wool, my salty ass nutes kill my bennies in short order, plus I feed 5 times daily, so everything's constantly being washed out. In soil however, the relationship in the bacteria colonies to your roots is much better, though I suppose things can get funky as a result. Do you use a premade benny product, or do you brew your own tea?
 
I used Asus beneficial bacteria from fearless gardener. If the stink continues I'll do a flush I think. But it's only 24 hours since I added the stuff and the plants really seem to love it. Will keep a close eye on it though. I don't like when it smells bad



Skybound said:
I use beneficial bacteria, though it doesn't stink. I use Recharge from realgrowers. I've had situations where I'd mix up a batch, and if not used in a day or two, then it would start to stink in the jug, but never had any problems with odor in the media. I use rock wool, my salty ass nutes kill my bennies in short order, plus I feed 5 times daily, so everything's constantly being washed out. In soil however, the relationship in the bacteria colonies to your roots is much better, though I suppose things can get funky as a result. Do you use a premade benny product, or do you brew your own tea?
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DeVille said:
I used Asus beneficial bacteria from fearless gardener. If the stink continues I'll do a flush I think. But it's only 24 hours since I added the stuff and the plants really seem to love it. Will keep a close eye on it though. I don't like when it smells bad
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I'm having a tough time finding any info on Asus from fearless gardener. Can you get a decent pic of the product label and the contents on the back?
 
I gave them both 10 liters of clean water and allowed the run-off to complete before I put them back in the autopot system. I think the smell was from the run-off water left in the autopot trays, but to be 100% certain I flushed them as well. If there really are beneficial bacteria in there, some water won't kill em.
 
Skybound said:
I'm having a tough time finding any info on Asus from fearless gardener. Can you get a decent pic of the product label and the contents on the back?
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That's because I gave you misinformation. The company is Xtreme gardening. Rocket fuel is from fearless gardener

"What is Azos?
Azos is a Nitrogen-fixing bacteria. It drives chlorophyll production in the foliage and keeps plants green and efficient. Azos also acts as a growth stimulant, catalyzing the release of a natural hormone (Idole-3 Acetic Acid) in plants. The naturally-released hormone increases root development and optimizes the harvest potential of your garden.


Azos (Azospirillum Brasilense XOH)
Is the world’s most powerful nitrogen-fixing bacteria. First isolated in the Amazon Rainforest, RTI has since cultured this beneficial microbe into an aggressive, high-potency root drench providing tremendous benefits to plants. Azos will not only boost root structure growth, prevent transplant shock, and act as a catalyst, sparking the secretion of IAA (Indole-3-Acetic-Acid) and other plant growth promoting hormones, but it will also eliminate the need for chemical fertilizing.


Azos transforms your plant into a lightning rod for nitrogen fixation, allowing it to ingest up to 70% of its nitrogen needs straight from the atmosphere. No longer are hi-output growers on their hands and knees bowing down to the market’s chemical dependence for nitrogen fertilizer, but now they are free to access the bounty of Mother Nature herself. There is nearly an inexhaustible amount of nitrogen floating around us in the air at any one moment. Azos simply gives your plants the ability to harness this natural nitrogen source and utilize it to keep your crop healthy through a natural and balanced biological maintenance routine



Key Benefits Provided by Azos:

  • Extracts Nitrogen From the Air and Feeds It to Your Plants
  • Accelerates and Extends Root System
  • Increases Root Growth by up to 300%
  • Increases Disease Drought, and Stress Tolerance
  • Gives Plants the Ability to Thrive in Nutrient Poor Soils Quickly-Inoculates for Immediate Results (Comparable to a Tea)
  • Increases Resistance to Root Shock Eliminates Nitrogen Leaching Into Groundwater
    (Effectively stopping algae blooms, and dead zones which arise from it)

The amount of Nitrogen a plant can absorb is limited by 3 constraints:


  1. The nitrogen levels present in the soil or host medium.
  2. The size and structure of the root system that the plant has to “mine” nutrients.
  3. The “availability” of the nitrogen present in the soil or host medium
Azos overcomes all of these restrictions by delivering larger root systems, bio-dynamic soil structure, and a new source of completely soluble nitrogen…the air it breathes!




How Do I Apply Azos?
Azos can be applied by three methods:


  • the first and most efficient way being a root dusting before transplant,
  • the second is a root-drench
  • the third method is injection into the root-zone.
For utilization as a root drench or injection, Azos must first be mixed with purified (preferably RO-Reverse Osmosis) water at rate of 4 oz Azos per gallon. Apply evenly with a conventional sprayer or inject solution through an irrigation system.


Together Azos and Mykos Protect Without Chemicals, Dramatically:


  • Increasing Fruit Yield
  • Increasing Root Size
  • Creating Extensive Hyphal Networks for Nutrient “Mining”
  • Increasing Nutrient and Water Uptake
  • Increasing Rate of Photosynthesis
  • Increasing Cell Wall Strength
  • Preventing Disease and the Establishment of Disease Causing Micro-organisms
  • Decreasing the Need for Water
  • Increasing Resistance to Drought and Stress
  • Increasing Plant Biomass, As Well As the Weight of Both Fruit and Plant
  • Decreasing Carbon Output and Helping to Create a Healthier Ecosystem/Environment"
 
Here's the back of the package Skybound :) Hope it makes you any smarter. I'm all new to this living soil thing. Been using chemical nutes all since day one. After some years I am beginning to find other methods interesting so I have been thinking about introducing some elements like this and in long term, go the organic route.

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I was searching for As"u"s which was why my search turned up nill. I think I may have actually used this once some years back. I remember getting some random samples from the hydro shop and I'm near certain Azos was one of the products they gave me. If memory serves, I used to to dress my potted grow cubes prior to a transplant. Though the description in the pic above suggests that this is not the type of beneficial bacteria that is common on the market now. I didn't see any mention of any mycorrhizae or trichoderma or anything like that. With other beneficial bacteria products on the market today, they general all have the same or very similar microbial compositions and to my knowledge, all perform equally well. Here are the ones I'm aware of;

Great White
Orca
Recharge
Heisenberg Tea
 
No stink today. Not much going on except trying to dial in the temperature settings in both tents. I managed to keep under-pressure in both tents now even when both fans kick in on full. Achieved this by using a longer ducting and by giving it a more "challenging" route to go. That way I managed to reduce it's efficiency to allow the big tent to keep it's underpressure when the small tent need to vent. The two tents keep exactly identical temperatures most part of the days so it's working somehow. Challenging however afternoon when it's at it's hottest outside. Then I may need to pull the ducting out of the big tent to avoid serious overheating issues. Will continue to experiment a little bit.
 
DeVille said:
Here you can see the problem. Due to my many cloning experiments, me trying to keep a copy of each seed planted of a strain until it's done flowering so I can make sure to keep the genetics of only the best plants and also the 100% success rate on all weird experiments lately. I even have re-vegged clones here, with roots and alive :)

mother-tent_01.jpg

Left: 1x Jack herer (auto) & 2x loveryder (auto) - Right: big-bud, pure power plant, bubbleicious, white widow.

Keeping 6 strains in there right now and I still have one cloning experiment going. I believe I will have 4 more clones in there in not so long. Keep topping them to keep them that short. Will choose one of each strain to become a mother.

The positive surprise is of course the Jack Herer auto. It's looking good and it's growing nice buds. The 2x loveryders were planted the same day and I can only see preflowers so far on one of them and some extremely tiny buds on the other. They are supposed to be dwarf plants so I have no clue what to expect. But they're supposed to be finished very soon according to the breeders data.

The temp measurer you can see in the tent - Top is inside this tent and bottom is the MH-Powerhouse. The heating from this tent goes directly into that tent to share the heat so to speak. Saves tons of electricity

mother-tent_02.jpg

Jack Herer (Auto)
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Looking awesome in their mate!!!
 
Pulled the two flowering clones I took a couple of days ago. I needed the pots for something different and I already have more clones than I will ever need. Here's the strange thing - they already had roots. It's been like 3-4 days. I left the two last clones so I can actually finish that test. It seems extremely promising.

the pots were converted to 0.5l pots for the solo cup challenge
 
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