The DeVille's White Widow & Bubbleicious - 8 Plants Under 2x Mars Pro II 320

[Skullman420]

Think I noticed some deficiencies on one of my White Widows as I filled the tank today. It was however right before lights went out so I have to wait at least 12 hours to check further. Will write a proper update tomorrow. Today I'll be very busy later.

I added 300 ml of Canna Flores A and B in the water. That's about 50% of the recommended strength and 25% more than the previous feeding. hoping this can battle whatever deficiencies the White Widow is showing. Will take a photo later so you all can help me figure out what's really going on. The remaining 7 plants look super-healthy so not sure really. As previously stated I didn't have enough time to take a proper look at it. The plant looked healthy otherwise as far as I could see

PS!
50% of recommended dosage is "heavy feeding" in my eyes. I even worry it will be too much which brings me to this question:

WTF is up with recommended dosages? Anyone out there actually give them the full dosage ever?

 

[ilikemsticky]

never a dull moment hey deville im sure youll figure it out there's a lot of experience around here!

 

[Skullman420]

it's only 1 of 8 plants in the same system, drinking exactly the same. I'm used to differences as I often grow several strains together. But that 1 of 5 White widows are showing signs of deficiencies, that I do find weird. If it doesn't generate the most and best of buds of the bunch, I'll ditch those genetics for sure. I always take a clone of every single plant so I can wait until after harvest to determine which are keeper genetics and which are not.

never a dull moment hey deville im sure youll figure it out there's a lot of experience around here!

 

[ilikemsticky]

i really cant help you as i grow in soil but i do no that some plants just arent very healthy and it may be your doing nothing wrong it happens to me in soil i usually grow 4 at a time all different strains so its always a challenge i dont think i will ever be able to keep them all happy all the time!

 

[Skullman420]

The interesting part begins when we figure out I have a deficiency I can't fix with my nutes. I'm officially completely broke, so all problems have to be fixed using no money whatsoever. That's a lovely challenge I used to have quite often as a young struggling musician. But not used to resources being this scarce for quite some years. Buying the needed parts to get the MH-Powerhouse up and running took the rest of my reserves.

Maybe some of the good folks from the organic crowd will have a clever fix Anyway! I grow in soil as well. People always seem to believe I grow in hydro, I used to and I indeed use hydro-nutes because I bought tons of it back then and it works just as well in soil - until today. First plant ever to show a deficiency in my grows after I switched to the Canna line of nutes

 

[Skullman420]

That made me think - Wonder if my Wilma hydro-system is still working after all these years. It's been packed away for a few years. That could possibly save me some money if I skip the soil alltogether in the MH-Powerhouse. But do I really want to go back to hydro?

 

[Skullman420]

A little "invention" of mine. Or at least I have a plan with this modified air-pot.

This is a 1L air-pot with the 4 bottom rows cut off. Since the bottom tray is supposed to ble put 3 rows from the bottom, I in reality only loose one row. So this 1L pot becomes much shorter and will still be able to hold around 0.75L of soil.

The reason I need them to be shorter is simple - I am getting sick of the constant need to buy new rockwool. So these air-pots are going to be used for cloning - in soil - and short enough to fit under the dome of my Root!t grow-house with a healthy sized clone in it. Farewell rockwool - Welcome perfect roots that can be transplanted to my autopot system whenever needed without even giving it a shock.

This plan sounds good to me - Any thoughts?

Will test with a clone or two before I cut them all.

The 3 rows up thing is so air will be well circulated also under the air-pot. This is probably useful in a shitload of applications, but not needed. I still have like half a row of air under the bottom tray and only had to move the tray one row up to get it 4 rows shorter.

Wonder why they don't make them this small in the first place?

 

[improvise]

Lol WTF recommendation agree. another one is someone asked why do we not plant the seed like all other seeds. instead of soak.paper towel ect. I had clones all the same except one showed all sorts of probs all others were lush that for me was a WTF moment lol. looking very well. onward and up. regards

 

[Skullman420]

UPDATE #18

MAIN ROOM
5x White Widow & 3x Bubbleicious
Days from seed - 66
Days flowering - 24

HOMEBOX EVOLUTION Q80
2x Loveryder & 1x Jack Herer (Autoflowering)
Days from seed - 40

Big-Bud & Pure Power Plant (Mother-plants)
Days alive - 152

4x Big Bud (Rooted clones)
Days alive - 37

2x Pure Power Plant (Rooted clones)
Days alive - 37

CLONING STATION
5x White Widow & 4x Bubbleicious
Day 25


FEEDING AND DEFICIENCY

As previously stated, I filled 200 liters in the flexi tank yesterday. I added 300 ml of Canna Flores A and B in the water. That's about 50% of the recommended strength and 25% more than the previous feeding. When it comes to the deficiency I spotted on the White Widow, I'm not really worried. It's only a few leaves. The plant looks healthy in general. It has a little lighter color than the rest of the bunch. Hoping the increased dosages of nutrients can battle whatever deficiencies the White Widow is showing. Take a look at the photos. First of a leaf with deficiency and then a healthy part of the plant.

Deficiency? There is only a very few leaves on the plant looking like this. The rest are looking perfect

How the rest of the plant is looking. The new growth seems to be fine. What do you think?


Since last update, one of the Mars Pro II 320's broke down. Luckily I have 3 of them, so I just took it down and replaced it with a working one. Really important to have spare parts if you want to be secured a safe passage to harvest. So I finally got to test out the Mars-Hydro customer service. Truth be told, I was quite sceptical as I've been told numerous horror stories. But I'll give you a spoiler - We figured it out and the spare part is already on it's way to me. Expected delivery early next week. I wrote a review of the entire procedure exactly like it happened - I can reveal right away that the conclusion is that I was very pleased. - You can read the entire review here.


Besides from all of this going on, the plants are developing as expected. Seeing I am having ok temps, but humidity is above what I can tolerate, so a little defoil is mandatory. This really helps lowering the humidity in a grow-room without having to use a de-humidifier.

Some say it also gives you more buds, but I am not 100% sure about that. What it does is to bring more light to buds being covered in darkness and that's always good. If that's what they mean with gives you more buds, then they're absolutely right. But does it give an overall higher yield? My data from previous round indicate it doesn't really increase yield. Scrog however - that increases yield considerably. As you can see, there is plenty of leaves so no worries there. I will just keep removing leaves until humidity reach an acceptable level.

Now let's have a look at the plants:

First out is White Widow. Starting to build up some buds eventually. Not much to brag about yet, but patience my dear friends, patience..

White Widow - Days flowering - 24

White Widow - 24 days into flowering

White Widow (left) & Bubbleicious (right)

Bubbleicious - 24 days into flowering


Love the look of Bubbleicous. Been so curious about this strain. Hoping this will become my new pain-medication. But it's really hard to say until I try it out. All the theoretical datas are in order, High THC/CBD and big indica dominance to numb down the body and mind. Sounds like something out of a dream if you ask me.

Really like how many budspots I see. This grow has potential to give me a great harvest. I can't catch the entire grow with my fancy super-professional canon lense. It's not wide-angle enough. But I'll try to take a photo of the complete grow with the phone a little later. Got it back good as new yesterday. Lovely!


Over and out
DeVille

 

[Skullman420]

Seeing they're less developed this round than previous at same amount of time flowering. But I had them a week longer in vegg last time. Seems I'm falling behind the imaginary schedule of mine. That's ok. Wonder if the extra week in vegg had something to do with it or is it just that I stressed them more this time? Probably the last one. Previous round I hadn't picked off a leaf by this time. Would like to hear thoughts

 

[Skullman420]

Also have to keep in mind these are two completely new strains to me. I never grew any of them before. Big-Bud & PPP are old time well-proven plants in all my grow-spaces. Big-bud has been with me for years and I have the most fantastic pheno left. Meaning I should't expect every strain I grow to perform like those monsters.

Also I gave them 800 watt more of light. So I shouldn't really compare

 

[Skullman420]

Think I'm gonna pick some nice shots from below the net and see if I can root a cutting after 24 days into flowering. That should be a good test of my air-pot cloning idea

 

[Darkscotia]

Filling in nice I'd say. My first white widows I grew gave me some problems into bud as well. If I remember correctly I wasn't giving enough nutes for the size of my girls at that time but it was also many years ago. I got them in clone stage

 

[ilikemsticky]

hey deville i kinda new at growing these girls and i didnt see your last run but i like what im seeing rite now they look pretty happy to me i dont no about that deficency but i wouldnt be unhappy with those girls!

 

[Bill the Cat]

Hi deville. To me it looks like calmag def. It took me about 3 grows to finally find pics that looked like what I had. I add to every watering, but I grow in coco, so don't know if you'd need to do it that often.

 

[Skullman420]

Anyone ever wondered why I pixelate reflective surfaces on some of my photos? Otherwise the CSI crowd could be able extract my fucking face out of the friggin reflections if I were not careful enough. So I pixelate the shit out of any surface my face can be extracted from.

I didn't do it to the temperature measure device though You can actually see me there, hidden behind a camera. If you're not a legal grower - Try to remember to check your photos for reflective surfaces and other identifying markers. Censor them out before you upload the photos.

Remember the photos you take with your mobile camera will have gps markers giving away your exact location (also applies to several modern cameras). If you want to upload photos, remove such information from the files (420 system does it for you, but not all places do)

You're not paranoid if they're after you for real - and what we're doing is very very illegal in big parts of the world

 

[Skullman420]

Oh - But I am happy indeed. I just noticed when I looked through my previous journal that the buds were much more developed at day 24 than this round. But I have been stressing them a bit to achieve an even canopy, so that combined with 800 watts less than the previous round does indeed explain why they're less developed. Last round was all about speed from day one. This round ain't - This time it's about getting as much as possible out of that area.

hey deville i kinda new at growing these girls and i didnt see your last run but i like what im seeing rite now they look pretty happy to me i dont no about that deficency but i wouldnt be unhappy with those girls!

 

[Skullman420]

I'm serious folks. Since this is a bad pain day and it doesn't seem I will get any real work done, I can just as well go a little deeper into this subject. I am always very focused on growing-safety and have a thread dedicated to the subject - two threads now actually.

Reflected hidden faces in photographs revealed in pupil

What do your Instagram and Facebook photos reveal?

Zooming in on the pupil of a subject’s eye reveals hidden bystanders (credit: Rob Jenkins)


The pupil* of the eye in a photograph of a face can be mined for hidden information, such as reflected faces of the photographer and bystanders, according to research led by Dr. Rob Jenkins, of the Department of Psychology at the University of York and published in PLOS ONE (open access).
The researchers say that in crimes in which the victims are photographed, such as hostage taking or child sex abuse, reflections in the eyes of the photographic subject could help to identify perpetrators. Images of people retrieved from cameras seized as evidence during criminal investigations could be used to piece together networks of associates or to link individuals to particular locations.


By zooming in on high-resolution passport-style photographs, Jenkins and co-researcher Christie Kerr of the School of Psychology, University of Glasgow were able to recover bystander images that could be identified accurately by observers, despite their low resolution.

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Lineup-style array of reflected images from photographs for spontaneous recognition task in experiment. All participants were familiar with the face of the psychologist and unfamiliar with the faces of the bystanders. Correct naming of the familiar face was frequent (hits 90%), and mistaken identification of the unfamiliar faces was infrequent (false positives 10%)

To establish whether these bystanders could be identified from the reflection images, the researchers presented them as stimuli in a face-matching task. Observers who were unfamiliar with the bystanders’ faces performed at 71 per cent accuracy, while participants who were familiar with the faces performed at 84 per cent accuracy. In a test of spontaneous recognition, observers could reliably name a familiar face from an eye reflection image.
“The pupil of the eye is like a black mirror,” said Jenkins. “To enhance the image, you have to zoom in and adjust the contrast. A face image that is recovered from a reflection in the subject’s eye is about 30,000 times smaller than the subject’s face.” In the research, the whole-face area for the reflected bystanders was 322 pixels on average.


Forensics implications

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You probably recognize this well-known person, even though his face in this image measures only 16 pixels wide × 20 pixels high. (look at my personal remarks regarding this photo below this article - DeVille)

High-resolution face photographs may also contain unexpected information about the environment of the photographic subject, including the appearance of the immediate surroundings, Jenkins explained to KurzweilAI.
“In the context of criminal investigations, this could be used to piece together networks of associates, or to link individuals to particular locations. This may be especially important when for categories of crime in which perpetrators photograph their victims. Reflections in the victims eyes could reveal the identity of the photographer.
“Also, around 40 million photographs per day are uploaded to Instagram alone, he pointed out. “Faces are among the most frequently photographed objects. Our study serves as a reminder to be careful what you upload. Eyes in the photographs could reveal where you were and who you were with.”
Although Jenkins did the study with a high-resolution (39 megapixels) Hasselblad camera, face images retrieved from eye reflections need not be of high quality in order to be identifiable, he said. “Obtaining optimal viewers — those who are familiar with the faces concerned — may be more important than obtaining optimal images.”
In addition, “in accordance with Hendy’s Law (a derivative of Moore’s Law), pixel count per dollar for digital cameras has been doubling approximately every twelve months. This trajectory implies that mobile phones could soon carry >39 megapixel cameras routinely.”
It would be interesting to see what hidden information is buried in law-enforcement (and other) photo archives — some of which could even help exculpate innocent persons.

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Abstract of PLOS ONE paper
Criminal investigations often use photographic evidence to identify suspects. Here we combined robust face perception and high-resolution photography to mine face photographs for hidden information. By zooming in on high-resolution face photographs, we were able to recover images of unseen bystanders from reflections in the subjects’ eyes. To establish whether these bystanders could be identified from the reflection images, we presented them as stimuli in a face matching task (Experiment 1). Accuracy in the face matching task was well above chance (50%), despite the unpromising source of the stimuli. Participants who were unfamiliar with the bystanders’ faces (n = 16) performed at 71% accuracy [t(15) = 7.64, p<.0001, d = 1.91], and participants who were familiar with the faces (n = 16) performed at 84% accuracy [t(15) = 11.15, p<.0001, d = 2.79]. In a test of spontaneous recognition (Experiment 2), observers could reliably name a familiar face from an eye reflection image. For crimes in which the victims are photographed (e.g., hostage taking, child sex abuse), reflections in the eyes of the photographic subject could help to identify perpetrators.
references:

• Rob Jenkins, Christie Kerr, Identifiable Images of Bystanders Extracted from Corneal Reflections, PLOS ONE, 2013, DOI: 10.1371/journal.pone.0083325 (open access)

* I have some remarks about the Obama photo. That's a clear weakness of this study. You see - They used a very famous photo of a very famous person. However - If they used a non famous photo of the same person the chances would be considerably smaller for you to be able to identify this person after being pixelated like that. They probably did it to illustrate their point, but it's not very scientific to mislead the reader like this. I just felt I had to say that - DeVille

 

[Skullman420]

Really happy they're using these methods to catch real criminals like paedophiles and rapists. But not so happy it can be used to find us

 

[Skullman420]

you know - Camera's keep getting higher and higher resolutions. In a few years we may be at a level of detail in photography that will allow forensics to identify you from the reflection of your face in a photo of a trichome. Makes the mind spin doesn't it?

That won't be possible with small photos for the online format, but your high-res originals may carry more secrets than you'll ever know and who knows what cops may find out if they should be so lucky to get hold on your camera or memory card or cloud or wherever you store your originals. I delete my cannabis related originals after posting them. It's very sad because I know they're really good photos with a high technical quality. I'm good at photography and I know it.

They can of course still get back those deleted files from the memory card. At least for a while until you took enough new photos to overwrite the "deleted" data