TeSmp's Critical Sensi Star - 6 Sq/Ft SCROG - Single Plant

could the yellow leaves jut be the plants life cycle, some plants lose their leaves dont they, if i remember right, are you planning in entering your scrog into the contests, cant wait to see the pics of the whole plant, i bet your pleased with the results this time round mate, it wasnt bad last time but now it looks like you have got the plant growing at the best it can, how far and how much can these plants take nute wise, to much and its bad, not enough and you wont get the best from them, but if i remember right you was using a different schedule, so how far is this from the bpn feed schedule, my plants all seem to take the nutes at full dose, im giving them the highest feeding schedule and no signs of any nute burn or anything like that.
Even the hempies are at full strength and even though their are no buds on them yet i have been giving them slightly higher bloom feed, and both are growing like crazy the leaves are bigger than a dinner plate, never seen leaves like it, im hoping i get aound the 20g per plant mark, but ill be finding out im sure,

well done mate,looks like your scrog is paying off,
 
donpaul.p said:
could the yellow leaves jut be the plants life cycle, some plants lose their leaves dont they, if i remember right, are you planning in entering your scrog into the contests, cant wait to see the pics of the whole plant, i bet your pleased with the results this time round mate, it wasnt bad last time but now it looks like you have got the plant growing at the best it can, how far and how much can these plants take nute wise, to much and its bad, not enough and you wont get the best from them, but if i remember right you was using a different schedule, so how far is this from the bpn feed schedule, my plants all seem to take the nutes at full dose, im giving them the highest feeding schedule and no signs of any nute burn or anything like that.
Even the hempies are at full strength and even though their are no buds on them yet i have been giving them slightly higher bloom feed, and both are growing like crazy the leaves are bigger than a dinner plate, never seen leaves like it, im hoping i get aound the 20g per plant mark, but ill be finding out im sure,

well done mate,looks like your scrog is paying off,
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Well to be completely honest I'm not to happy with the results yet.. The veg and first few weeks of flower went great and now I'm waiting for it to turn out like I'd imagined and it's not.. I'm running about 75% of the BPN schedule and 5-8ml/gallon of bloom booster.. When I mix full strength it comes out to nearly 1400-1500 ppm which is to hot considering the yellowing I got..

I think the plant is completing it's life cycle but the bulb did have an impact on the yellowing as well. Because it was centralized to the middle I just think I had my bulb to low and the nutes weren't being processed as well in the middle.

I think you'll be able to hit 20g per plant no problem.. I'm moving to GH 3 part with a few additives on my next grow.. Might even get floranectar for the remainder of this grow. The 3 part is still only $30 shipped.

I was hoping by the 15th that the plant would look good enough to enter but I don't think it will.. We'll see.
 
are you sticking with the scrogs mate or going to try something else, i like the scrogs and will do one for myself, i just got to many plants at the moment to think about doing a scrog,
corey is making his bpn range even better, he says it wont be ready till the end of the year, i cant wait to see what the difference is, he is thinking more along the lines of feeding the soil as well as the plant, so it should be more beneficial all round, my bpn has lasted ages mate, im shocked how long its lasted, so thanks for hooking me up, i got money saved up for my next order but got enough for this grow and the next.
you know the lights do they still burn the plants even if the temps are down, like say you had fans blowing on the top of the plants and lowered the light, would the light then still cause problems with the bleaching or would the fan keep things in check, im thinking its not just the temp thats an issue its the light intencity as well.
 
donpaul.p said:
are you sticking with the scrogs mate or going to try something else, i like the scrogs and will do one for myself, i just got to many plants at the moment to think about doing a scrog,
corey is making his bpn range even better, he says it wont be ready till the end of the year, i cant wait to see what the difference is, he is thinking more along the lines of feeding the soil as well as the plant, so it should be more beneficial all round, my bpn has lasted ages mate, im shocked how long its lasted, so thanks for hooking me up, i got money saved up for my next order but got enough for this grow and the next.
you know the lights do they still burn the plants even if the temps are down, like say you had fans blowing on the top of the plants and lowered the light, would the light then still cause problems with the bleaching or would the fan keep things in check, im thinking its not just the temp thats an issue its the light intencity as well.
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Yeah I'm just going to go with a more well known company, I don't want to jump up to AN's pricing but I think GH works well too. I'm just not satisfied and I know I'm doing everything right. Keeping the bulb close even though temps are down does not matter. My temps never go over 80F but it still happened. I still wouldn't say it's bleaching it looks like a nutrient problem, but like I said only in the center.. I've raised my light 2" though and it's not progressing. So I think it's a combo of the intensity and high PPMs towards the center of the screen. I'm surprised how long the nutes last as well, I've had mine longer then you. They have GH in the UK as well, I saw it on eBay.

I'm still going to do SCROGs unless I just do an LST lollipop that takes up my tent. I am interested in trying but don't have much headroom, I would want the arms to be 16-20" long and my bucket is probably 15" tall and then I need 12" for the light fan + 8" for space between the light and plant. I would rather have 15 quarter-half ounce buds then 100 2-5 gram buds if you get what I'm saying..
 
Since everyone is talking yellowing and bleaching where the light is most intense, it makes me wonder about if that there is anything to do with the age of the bulb. I know that lumens decline, but does anyone think that the spectrum may change or even become more intense?
after thinking for a bit about the lighting with cfls and hid, the main thing is the spectrum and maybe its that the HIDs red spectrum is just more intense. am I making any sense or am I just stoned?:bigtoke:
 
yep i get ya mate,
ive only realy used bpn so i cant reallt say how it compares, i mean i was using baby bio before i used bpn and when i got the bpn i was shocked at the results, but would i get these results with other brands, ive just not tried other brands to compare them to, i could always buy another brand like gh and give it a try whilst im still using bpn, then it will give me something to compare it to, ive not got anything bad to say about bpn, it works great and my plants looks really healthy and i have never had any problems, even when i upped the dose slightly, but without ppm tester i dont want to mess around to much.
im happy with the way bpn works and the plants respond well to it but im only basing it on my experience and what i have seen on here, ive not tried anything else to compare it to, im happy with what i have got but its hard to say whats best, so many different strains and all react differently to nutrients, so its really hard to say whats best,

bpn sells and people buy it, we all say how good it is and how well it works, it causes no problems, but even at full strength the plants dont seem to show any signs of nute burn, so is bpn giving the plants the maximum nutes they can take, i wanted to up the dose on mine as i was not getting any signs of nute burn or nute lockout, but i need to get a ppm tester before i start doing anything like that, it wouldnt take much to kill a plant or at the very least slow growth. have you tried many other nutes in the past, its harder for me due to where i am so anything i can buy off a shelf is going to be for houseplants or tomatoe plants, ill try and get to a hydro shop and see what they sell and ill give you a shout and see what you think.
i dont mind paying the postage for bpn as i know my plants grow well from it and as i cant get anyhing like it here im happy to pay the postage costs, but not trying something else might be like missing out on something better, testing is the only way to find out whats best, chances are most nutes all contain the same basic ingredients,
 
no your making sense, but its a bit beyond me, the only thing i can add is this, directly under the bulb is not as bright as towards the edges of the reflector, now my thinking is this, the bulb is shining directly down, so the light going up and bouncing off teh reflector is not making it to the plants as the bulb is in the way so the light coming from the sides of the reflector is getting both the light from the bulb and also from the reflector.

i also get way more stretch with hps than i ever did using cfls, i bought the dual spectrum 400 watt hps so i could veg under it, but i soon found that seedlings sretch like crazy under the hps, is this because the bulb is further away due to heat or is it something else, so what i found now is if i start the seedlings under the cfls for 2 weeks, then if i put them under the hps they dont seem to stretch, its just when they are started under hps that they stretch and end up falling over, the ones started under cfl have no stretch and even when put back under the hps they dont start stretching again,

somethings not right somewhere,
 
donpaul.p said:
yep i get ya mate,
ive only realy used bpn so i cant reallt say how it compares, i mean i was using baby bio before i used bpn and when i got the bpn i was shocked at the results, but would i get these results with other brands, ive just not tried other brands to compare them to, i could always buy another brand like gh and give it a try whilst im still using bpn, then it will give me something to compare it to, ive not got anything bad to say about bpn, it works great and my plants looks really healthy and i have never had any problems, even when i upped the dose slightly, but without ppm tester i dont want to mess around to much.
im happy with the way bpn works and the plants respond well to it but im only basing it on my experience and what i have seen on here, ive not tried anything else to compare it to, im happy with what i have got but its hard to say whats best, so many different strains and all react differently to nutrients, so its really hard to say whats best,

bpn sells and people buy it, we all say how good it is and how well it works, it causes no problems, but even at full strength the plants dont seem to show any signs of nute burn, so is bpn giving the plants the maximum nutes they can take, i wanted to up the dose on mine as i was not getting any signs of nute burn or nute lockout, but i need to get a ppm tester before i start doing anything like that, it wouldnt take much to kill a plant or at the very least slow growth. have you tried many other nutes in the past, its harder for me due to where i am so anything i can buy off a shelf is going to be for houseplants or tomatoe plants, ill try and get to a hydro shop and see what they sell and ill give you a shout and see what you think.
i dont mind paying the postage for bpn as i know my plants grow well from it and as i cant get anyhing like it here im happy to pay the postage costs, but not trying something else might be like missing out on something better, testing is the only way to find out whats best, chances are most nutes all contain the same basic ingredients,
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I have used other nutrients before on my first grow, I honestly can't remember the name but it was just a 2 part.. I grew fuller buds no doubt about it. I've just seen to many grows with my own eyes where GH or AN surpass what I've been seeing personally by far. My friend nearly has the same set as me but uses AN, a clone taken from my sensi, and his buds are bigger then mine. He doesn't participate in posting stuff on the net or else I would have him make a journal. The only thing I can rule out would be nutes, that's the only difference between our grows. Same light, ballast, hood, DWC, plant, etc.. He even got the yellowing in the middle of the screen.

Like I said you could get GH there for around for £7.49 and £5.99 sold individually for each of the 3 part I'm sure if you messaged him the shipping would be combined. Not telling you to switch, but I'm going to give someone else a go.

fish cake said:
Since everyone is talking yellowing and bleaching where the light is most intense, it makes me wonder about if that there is anything to do with the age of the bulb. I know that lumens decline, but does anyone think that the spectrum may change or even become more intense?
after thinking for a bit about the lighting with cfls and hid, the main thing is the spectrum and maybe its that the HIDs red spectrum is just more intense. am I making any sense or am I just stoned?:bigtoke:
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Yeah it could be a possibility but I have no clue! I don't think it would have happened if my nutes wouldn't of been running so hot.. When I first saw the yellowing it was around 1200-1300 and has even jumped to 1700ppm.. It's a shame because I would like to run higher PPM and the plant seems it could take it but not in the middle of the screen lol.. I might go back up some in PPM now that I raised the light.
 
you give me something to think about mate, i have not used other brands so i cant really say how well they work compared to bpn, ill look into it, i mean how do the prices compare, i need to check into it, maybe i could get better results using something else, i just dont want to buy something else and end up regretting it, but by not trying other brands ill never know, its like finding a strain you like and then only growing and smoking that, it would be ok, but you would never know if anything better is out their, i know corey is talking enzymes and feeding the soil and not the plant so to speak, but said it wont be ready till around xmas, well my nutes should last me till xmas, ill need to find out what changes corey has made, maybe he has found that other brands do better than bpn, so this could possibly be why he is trying something else, well i say trying, he just has not rolled it out yet, im sure if he thinks he can make it better then their is room for improvement.

what i have always wondered is why dont bpn cause any nute burn even at full strength, even when u upped the dose a couple of ml per bottle it still didnt show any signs of nute burn, i would like to try and push a plant but without having an ec tester it would be no good me just upping the dose, i could try it, i just wanted to find a level where the plants where just under the maximum bpn they could take, other brands tend to cause nute burn pretty easy but bpn seems to not cause any problems, well none that i have come across yet
 
have you every made up a organic tea to use as the feed? heard that's where it's at nowadays. Fantastic Grow!! i just caught up. Thanks it's great to see very nice training. Congrats.
 
hey T, posted some pics alittle late if you want to see:)
 
donpaul.p said:
i just got to many plants at the moment to think about doing a scrog,
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I started thinking that there is no such thing as too many, and the ensuing heartbreak was a painful lesson.

Love the grow TeSmp, looking v. nice, have you ever considered a V scrog to make the best of the varying strength of light?

DonPaul, I have seen a journal with each pot having an individual screen, possible to achieve?
 
donpaul.p said:
you give me something to think about mate, i have not used other brands so i cant really say how well they work compared to bpn, ill look into it, i mean how do the prices compare, i need to check into it, maybe i could get better results using something else, i just dont want to buy something else and end up regretting it, but by not trying other brands ill never know, its like finding a strain you like and then only growing and smoking that, it would be ok, but you would never know if anything better is out their, i know corey is talking enzymes and feeding the soil and not the plant so to speak, but said it wont be ready till around xmas, well my nutes should last me till xmas, ill need to find out what changes corey has made, maybe he has found that other brands do better than bpn, so this could possibly be why he is trying something else, well i say trying, he just has not rolled it out yet, im sure if he thinks he can make it better then their is room for improvement.

what i have always wondered is why dont bpn cause any nute burn even at full strength, even when u upped the dose a couple of ml per bottle it still didnt show any signs of nute burn, i would like to try and push a plant but without having an ec tester it would be no good me just upping the dose, i could try it, i just wanted to find a level where the plants where just under the maximum bpn they could take, other brands tend to cause nute burn pretty easy but bpn seems to not cause any problems, well none that i have come across yet
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Yeah give it some thought, I gave it 3 tries and I'm not where I want to be so I want to adjust the only variable I see left to change.. My temps, humidity, RH, grow style, medium, strain, etc are all where they need to be... That leaves nutrients and I'm not loyal enough at this point to even try it again on another plant. You won't end up buying something else and regret it I can guarantee you that, it will be the same if nutes don't matter or better.. These companies aren't the most known in the world for nothing.

I've had nute burn on a few occasions, bump it up if you want to experience it lol... I think you'd prefer not to. What are you measuring your nutes with and are you mixing gallons? You sure your doing your calculations right?

negativeions said:
Looking great mate.
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Thanks negative :) Yours is looking great as well!

high 420kwats said:
have you every made up a organic tea to use as the feed? heard that's where it's at nowadays. Fantastic Grow!! i just caught up. Thanks it's great to see very nice training. Congrats.
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I haven't thought about it actually. When I was a soil grower I wouldn't even consider brewing a shit tea.. That's one of the reasons I switched from soil.

Thank you though, I'm not to content with the results at this point but things can turn around over the last 3 weeks :) Thanks for coming by and possibly sticking around?

invi said:
I think canna is perfect for sensi (at least in soil).
Some strains like Blueberry do not like it however..

And buds look great, a little nute burn won't hinder them that much.. They are just about to start to get real fat!
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Yeah I'm really thinking about switching stuff up soon in that department, possibly changing something for the remainder of this grow.. and thank you, I'm not worried about the nute burn and I hope your right!

fish cake said:
hey T, posted some pics alittle late if you want to see:)
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Will be right over :)

ajagunle said:
I started thinking that there is no such thing as too many, and the ensuing heartbreak was a painful lesson.

Love the grow TeSmp, looking v. nice, have you ever considered a V scrog to make the best of the varying strength of light?

DonPaul, I have seen a journal with each pot having an individual screen, possible to achieve?
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Yeah I hear ya on to many plants.. Hence my 1, lol.. and I still think about getting fucked... :/

I haven't thought about a V SCROG really because I don't personally like the way they look.. Kind of a stupid reason not to do it but I just don't like them a whole lot visually.. But I have to enjoy what I'm looking at! Not that I do right now really lol. Thanks for joining.
 
Dude, you'll love the GH. I used to use their three part, but now I use their Floranova(one part grow, then totally separate one part bloom).
I've never used BPN, I'm sure its great. I just like being able to go to my local hydro shop and picking up what I need.
 
Pierce89 said:
Dude, you'll love the GH. I used to use their three part, but now I use their Floranova(one part grow, then totally separate one part bloom).
I've never used BPN, I'm sure its great. I just like being able to go to my local hydro shop and picking up what I need.
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Yeah lots of people like it on here but I'm not digging it.. I thought it was real cheap and workes so I got it.. Come to find out the GH is the same price.. That sounds sweet just having one bottle, I had that on my first grow.
 
teSmp said:
Yeah lots of people like it on here but I'm not digging it.. I thought it was real cheap and workes so I got it.. Come to find out the GH is the same price.. That sounds sweet just having one bottle, I had that on my first grow.
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Yeah since I discovered the Floranova, it really simplifies things. Its supposedly a blend of organic and normal chemical nutes. I love it. My outdoor plants are dwarfing what you're supposed to be able get out of a three gallon pot(the best ones are the first "trees" I've grown)
 
Pierce89 said:
Yeah since I discovered the Floranova, it really simplifies things. Its supposedly a blend of organic and normal chemical nutes. I love it. My outdoor plants are dwarfing what you're supposed to be able get out of a three gallon pot(the best ones are the first "trees" I've grown)
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Yeah I think I'm just going to get the floranectar for the remainder of this grow because I think the bloom booster takes the koolblooms place.. I'll finish with the BPN base. Gonna get some pics?
 
Smokemupm8 said:
Hi mate, hows it going???
Thought id have a bit of a Q+A sesh about the height of lighting... I have mine now at 33cm from base of globe to top of her canopy. No burn or bleach issues yet?:wood: Im trying to get some stretch while giving enough light.
My chart for MH 'Optimal distances from plants' says that a 400w MH at 8 inches puts out 25,700 Lumens p/sq ft or sumfin - and at 12 inches has 11,400 lumens, so im givin her about 10,000 lumens at her current height, which according to my graph is in the 'Optimal growth area'.. I have no probs with temps,2 desk fans do the trick for now.
I was going to raise the light a bit more but i dont want to waste too much light either, so im trying to find a happy medium where i get some stretching while giving adequate light for the lowest branches..
I have a 600w HPS for flower so hope the buds will be denser than last harvest:) So if i raise my lMH higher, say 45 cm from tops, would this create long stretched shoots coming off the branches? And my fresh growth is a lighter shade of green, but as it gets bigger its turing darker green, thats fine yeah?? There doesnt appear to be any major nute burn probs, i can see some slight tinges of brown on leaves here and there but nothin bad or spreading.. My nute solution im using is called NITROSOL, it has 10N,8P,7K, ruffly, her last feed i gave her 3/4 strength, should she be fine for full strength feed of this dosage, it not that high like some nutes ive seen;20/20/20?
Thanks bro.. Have a good one, Smokemup;)
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Yes, it will create longer stretched chutes, but I'd be wary of them being too weak yo hold a cola

Yeah, new growth is usually a little lighter than older growth as N builds in the tissues.

At 33cm she should already be at full strength. This will also help bring new growth to a darker green if that is worrying you.
 
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