Sweetsue's Tiny Closet - Second Grow - Sweet Dark Devil & Bomb Berry Bomb - CFL - LED

[Pigeons420]

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The tent is in shipment?!? Omg! This is one of the few pieces left for the puzzle, yes? So happy it's all coming together!

I wish we could take care of you Susan!!

Lots of love
Xoxo

 

[Doc Bud]

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It's an interesting soil approach and at some odds with what LOS provides. Do the synthetic salts in the HB kit have any detrimental effect on the biota? I ask because one of the foundational beliefs of LOS is the danger synthetics pose to the mycorrhizae. This is my greatest stumbling block going in Doc. My training is to assist the growth of the biota, and the mychorrizae turn out to be responsible for the majority of the soil structure as well as the major facilitators of balanced distribution of available nutrients as per the needs of individual plants. Do you have any evidence of the effects of the kit ingredients on the mycorrhizae? Has anyone thought to look?

I'm holding to your description of it being closer to having the biota exercise a bit more. Can you understand how this feels at odds with my core beliefs about the SFW? Much of it is cross over. I use enzyme teas fortified with kelp meal, aloe gear and fulvic acid. I also use regular drenches of aloe vera juice and coconut water. Occasionally a humic acid tea with micro nutrients. Neem seed meal for Integrated Pest a Management (IPM).

Two different soil mixes. I'm not sure how different the biota would be. No denying each soil grows fabulous plants. Interesting.

Synthetics? Not really.....they are naturally occuring substances that are found in all soils and they have no ill effects on biota! T'hey DO help plants grow much better and in the way we desire them to grow, but to label them synthetic is wrong and to claim that they damage the Soil Food Web is a wrong statement.

AS for evidence, let me politely remind you that the science behind HB is extremely solid, with papers published over many decades, not the mention the day-to-day results seen amending many types of soil all over the world. Far from damaging myco, the ingredients are carefully designed to ENHANCE microbial activities.

I'm at a loss to understand why you continue to worry that somehow you're going to hurt the myco! Why do you say that? Why would a lab that specializes in INCREASING biota design products that hurt it?

Has anyone thought to look? You asked this question above......the answer is yes. Dozens of phD's who have focused their entire careers on biological farming including the SFW have not only "looked," they have done everything humanly possible to IMPROVE the health and activity of the biota.

Why do you continue to doubt that?

As for intergrated pest management in LOS....have you found that the addition of Neem Seed Meal in the soil has kept the pests down? Or, like many other organic farmers, do you have gnats?

I have ZERO insect pressure in HB. None. Sure, there's a few bugs around, but no flying swarms, no need for sticky traps, no leaf damage and no worries. No neem seed meal either. Healthy plants manage their own IPM.

So, I invite you to entertain the idea that perhaps there is more than one way to grow healthy crops! No-till is great. But there is something to be said for CULTIVATION. Learning about nature and creating an environment to harness and direct nature's power is different than no-till.

You'll notice that this is the first time I've given you a polite, measured "jab" with my words. The reason is that you continue to say "synthetic" "damage SFW" and then ask things like "has anyone checked to see what it does to the myco?"

I hope I've answered your concerns again.

 

[SweetSue]

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Yes you have Doc, and I thank you for being so patient with me. I haven't had time to dig into HB theory enough to quell that niggling fear. My question stems precisely from that hesitation to accept a different approach. I'm counting on your years of experience. Obviously, I'm trying to quiet that nagging voice that is attempting to confuse me.

As to the neem applications, no, I have yet to be able to afford the neem, so in the meantime I am dealing with the gnats. However, I have followed numerous other long-term no-tills that have and no longer have any pest concerns since the soil community has become stronger and healthier. So yes, to answer your question, pest management is not only possible with regular applications of neem but should be the expected result.

I will do my best to simply follow your kit instructions and let the magic ensue.

And Doc? Thanks again. I could hear the exasperation in your voice there.

 

[SweetSue]

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The tent is in shipment?!? Omg! This is one of the few pieces left for the puzzle, yes? So happy it's all coming together!

I wish we could take care of you Susan!!

Lots of love
Xoxo

The community already is Pigeons. The support is a tremendous help, and this tent was a gift from one of you.

I still need to make a space for a 4x4 tent, and I still need to get a ventilation/filtration system for that tent. That can't happen until next month, but it should be up and running by the time the soils are ready to go.

Step-by-step it's all falling together. Before we know it I will have a sweet perpetual garden and my family will have a continuous supply of quality meds.

 

[Tomster420]

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So much to catch up on haha, this thread is at mega-hyper speed for sure She really looks like she's growing at a faster rate now woohoo! Hoping all is well with you and the family Sue, especially for dale to recover Can't wait to see your new setup and perpetual garden started

 

[Doc Bud]

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Yes you have Doc, and I thank you for being so patient with me. I haven't had time to dig into HB theory enough to quell that niggling fear. My question stems precisely from that hesitation to accept a different approach. I'm counting on your years of experience. Obviously, I'm trying to quiet that nagging voice that is attempting to confuse me.

As to the neem applications, no, I have yet to be able to afford the neem, so in the meantime I am dealing with the gnats. However, I have followed numerous other long-term no-tills that have and no longer have any pest concerns since the soil community has become stronger and healthier. So yes, to answer your question, pest management is not only possible with regular applications of neem but should be the expected result.

I will do my best to simply follow your kit instructions and let the magic ensue

And Doc? Thanks again. I could hear the exasperation in your voice there.

Sounds good.

The nagging voice and the niggling fear you experience is simply because you have ONE grow in your resume. It went very well and you followed directions precisely. The philosophy of LOS is your "garden view" if you will. Sort of a "world view" but limited to the garden.

Let me suggest that neither LOS or HB is the only way to grow this crop! We both have much to learn.

As for pests, I'll just playfully mention that I've got none and haven't had any for a long, long time. The vast majority of HB users have the same testimony. We don't need regular applications of neem, neither do we put it in the soil! There's nothing wrong with it, I do have a neem product designed for outdoor HB gardening, but we simply don't need it once things are dialed in.

Minerals, microbes, magic. Just give it a try and don't worry so much about the SFW. Smart people have designed all this! Smart people who know 100 times more than both of us combined about the SFW.

 

[SweetSue]

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Daily Update: Dark Devil Auto - Day 21

The pot got the 1/4 turn and the reservoirs topped off. I neglected to notice how much water I used to do that.

Here's our little darling Devil today. She's taking off nicely.

I know she's taken her time to get to this point, but she has her feet planted in a second run no-till, so the mycorrhizal should be well established and I'm interested in seeing how she goes from here. So far she looks perfect to me.

Lots of development beginning at those nodes.

The overview of the tiny closet. We just have a few more weeks in this cramped space.

The obligatory "pretty in pink" shot. She looks happy with her neighbors. All's well with the world.

I'm thinking that I need to drop some seeds for that pot without a cannabis plant. Doc and I have decided that for the first run I should stick with one plant in the kit soil. That way I can watch and learn how the soil performs, possibly for two runs, before I start experimenting with it. Sometimes you just have to resist the shiny. Time to take a look at the seeds.

You all have a good day. Get out there, soak up some rays and spread some joy while you're at it.

 

[Major PITA]

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Yes - that one pot looks lonely.

 

[SweetSue]

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Yes - that one pot looks lonely.

I agree Major. She needs another cannabis neighbor to converse with. The other growth in there has requested I no longer refer to that pot as "empty". It's that Mother Earth thing.

 

[xtrchessreal]

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I agree Major. She needs another cannabis neighbor to converse with. The other growth in there has requested I no longer refer to that pot as "empty". It's that Mother Earth thing.

lol Don't forget there are millions of life forms in both pots - I am sure everything is fine. Get well soon!

 

[SweetSue]

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GhettoGro, I'm still laughing at "Glass Pipe and a Frosty Nug".


Feeling like a new woman. Heading out to see my magic man.

 

[ClosedCircuit]

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I know for a fact that three gallons can be run as a no-till. It takes vigilance with the teas and drenches because such a small soil volume isn't as forgiving of neglect, but if you SWICK you will avoid the biggest concern, consistently even hydration. When you get to that point we will work as a team to help you learn to manage micro no-till. It can and does succeed in 3 gallons. That's really the absolute limit so far. Get some worms into those pots and it becomes easier.

Yep! My totes were 3 gallon and they definitely worked. But I don't know if I would go much smaller.

 

[Tomster420]

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She's looking great with her new found light source SS Such an exciting time to sit and watch her develop from a little fragile girl into a big healthy strong woman Who will be the next seed to break your lovely soil?

 

[SweetSue]

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Yep! My totes were 3 gallon and they definitely worked. But I don't know if I would go much smaller.

I wouldn't.

Although,... I was just over at BAR's thread and I'm wanting to try one in those 2 liter bottle jobs he uses, with my LOS in it to see if it will carry the plant through without deficiencies. Just an experiment.

 

[SweetSue]

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random thoughts

Our daughter is 32, coming up quickly on 33. She has an anxiety disorder so pronounced that she won a bench decision on her Disability claim within ten minutes in the judge's presence. She has battled this anxiety from birth, and masked it so well that we didn't realize it until she attempted suicide at the age of 21.

I've spent hours with her, talking it out, both of us trying to make sense of it and help make her life better. Recently we convinced her to try cannabis. It worked (of course!) and now she has the dilemma of conquering her fear that she's consuming too much of our stash. Poor kid. Can't win the race.

She had her first ever taste of what it feels like to be free of anxiety, or if not free, unburdened from the concern about it.

Then she had a panic attack while buzzed. She'd taken extra as a celebration. For the first 15 minutes she dealt with it, then she wisely called me and I went over and stayed real close for the remaining 15 minutes. When the attack passed she immediately recovered, physically drained but clearer in mind than previous panic attacks.

Panic attacks are unplanned, unexpected and overwhelmingly debilitating. I was unaware someone could have one while buzzed. It scared the crap out of her. Now she hesitates to continue consuming cannabis for fear of a repeat event. (Weary Sigh).

Can't win for losing. Nope! Don't accept that. I need to explore thinking of cannabis as a vegetable. I'm becoming more and more convinced that there is something significant going on when you ingest this plant. Not just the extracted oils or combusted flowers, but the plant matter itself. Dale and I have been eating cooked buds, and suddenly I'm beginning to notice subtle changes that I'm not sure yet aren't imagined. If I continue to notice or they become more pronounced I will report on it further.

Anyone else out there ever witness someone's having a panic attack while high? Not too high, just slightly buzzed. Our daughter wants relief without the buzz, at least most of the time. I think she believes she's the only one out there this has happened to. I know that can't be true.

Time for bed. Any takers on a pool as to how long it takes me to actually sign off and walk away?

 

[SweetSue]

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On my way to bed I stumbled on this article on using chipped up Christmas trees to create a soil medium on top of unusable soil - think sand or clay. I found this article incredibly fascinating. It probably belongs in the Veggie Garden thread, but it set me to thinking of cannabis plantings in these chips, much akin to the story PeeJay once told of his buddy that took bags of composted leaves, placed into 55 gallon drums to use as growth medium for a guerrilla grow in a local forest.

Making your own soil

Just a taste, from the wrap up:

"A team in Quebec has been studying the use of wood chips since 1978, for the Ministry of Energy and Resources. They even have a patent on some of these uses, although not for economic reasons, it seems.

One point of interest is that wood chip mulch actually raised the pH in studies, contrary to the usual "Wood chips? Omygawd they'll make yer soil too acid" sort of talk you hear in some circles.

A few other results:

Over a five year period in market gardens, increased yields of 50-300% from a single application of two inches of chips plus either hog manure or poultry manure;

Better tasting strawberries; more dry matter in potatoes;

Reduced aphid and nematode populations in strawberries;

Better root development and much more mycorhizal development;

Increase in pH and reduction in weeds.

The group doing this research consisted of:

Justin Brouillette of MMENVIQ, Antonio Gonzalez of the Center for Forest Research of the Laurentides, Edgar Guay of the University of Laval, Christian de Kimpe of Agriculture Canada, Lionel Lachance of the Ministry of Energy and Resources, Gilles Lemieux of the University of Laval and Harold Tremblay of the Ministry of Energy and Resources."


Look at how much we're learning about different types of soil.

Rad, could this be of use in your little slice of paradise?

 

[akisunni]

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Sue,

Yes it breaks down into something good. Yes it needs manure help. I was trying to grow the sweet sue plant in basically wood chips here, and it was barely growing. I moved it to some ... cough cough generic potting soil cough cough today so it could get more then what the wood chips gave it and fish stuff.

Aki

 

[SweetSue]

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Sue,

Yes it breaks down into something good. Yes it needs manure help. I was trying to grow the sweet sue plant in basically wood chips here, and it was barely growing. I moved it to some ... cough cough generic potting soil cough cough today so it could get more then what the wood chips gave it and fish stuff.

Aki

It was actually reading your post that sent me looking for proof that the wood chips would make the soil too acid. Surprise, surprise!

I left you a suggestion for tea.

Ok. I'm going to go to bed now. I can barely see. You people are addictive.

I learned so much this evening, just wandering around the virtual neighborhood. Such growing diversity. Is it my imagination or are we getting much better at documenting? Go team



P.S. It only took me 65 minutes to finally sign off. Who wins?

 

[Weaselcracker]

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Panic attacks from smoking herb were a major feature of my life for too many years to embarrass myself by admitting. Mostly a result of over consumption because I am very sensitive to it and really have to be careful. I think Waaay too much already, and over smoking can make me second guess everything I'm doing and thinking to the point of complete panic. At an amazingly slow rate, over the years I've learned to smoke more lightly than my friends and choose the context more carefully. Also edibles and extracts work better for me, and sativas. I can absolutely 100% relate to feeling panicky after smoking, Sue.
On the spur of the moment the other night I was going to drop in and send my love, but walked into some crazy shitstorm on your thread, got confused and fled. Ha ha. Anyway....

 

[NuttyProfessor]

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love it !!