SweetSue's Class Notes

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I'll try! I was reading that age of plant matters, then how do folks make a mother plant and continuously pull clones? Maybe this technique is one of my missing steps. I'll also need to up my sticking in rapid rooter method. I usually push the cut quite hard into the rapid rooter to get that rooter wrapped tight to the stem. Ok practice practice practice is on the schedule.
Cheers Sue! Thanks for the clarification.
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At 13:30 Constance clarifies that in 2013 the reports that THC will make breast cancer worse were refuted.

This information about the dangers of THC and breast cancer treatment was spread far and wide, and still continues to unnecessarily frighten women away from cannabis therapeutics for breast cancer.

We now know better. Let’s be sure to clear up any confusion about this subject we come across. :battingeyelashes:
 
A couple more for tomorrow


 
Thank you panacea for the link, and thank you Eric, for the work put into the development of all this info I get to translate. :slide:

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By Eric Giesterfer - I've done volunteer background research for Project CBD. The Endocannabinoid System is a scientific fact. It is the reason why cannabis works as a medicine.

Mar 25, 2017
The Bioavailability of Medical Marijuana
Updated 3/25/2018

Bioavailability is an extremely important concept in pharmacology. The Merriam-Webster dictionary defines it as: the degree and rate at which a substance (as a drug) is absorbed into a living system or is made available at the site of physiological activity. In order for a medicine to work, it has to reach its intended destination. This article incorporates the latest scientific findings on the bioavailability of the various ways of consuming medical cannabis (marijuana). In addition, it also takes into consideration anecdotal evidence from patients throughout the medical cannabis community.

Before starting, a fact needs to be pointed out which can greatly increase bioavailability but is rarely mentioned anywhere — the food you eat. As this study points out — Fatty Acid Binding Proteins are intracellular carriers of THC and CBD. If you are taking any form of medical cannabis, it is important that your body have healthy levels of these fats in order to maximize bioavailability. This is the same concept that applies to fat soluble vitamins like vitamin A, D, E, and K.

However, not all fats are the same. The two most famous are saturated fats and unsaturated fats. Saturated fats are low-density lipoproteins (LDL) also known as “bad” cholesterol, and unsaturated fats are high-density lipoproteins (HDL) also known as “good” cholesterol. The function of LDL is to deliver cholesterol to cells throughout your body, whereas HDL takes cholesterol away from your heart and other organs and delivers it back to your liver.

This is an important distinction because when you consume medical cannabis you are trying to deliver THC and CBD to cells throughout your body. When I contacted Dr Dale Deutsch, one of the authors of the above study, about the HDL vs LDL difference, he responded:” …Look at this paper and it actually says that THC is in all the lipoproteins but LDL carriers the most…”. The study he pointed out, “The use of zonal ultracentrifugation in the investigation of the binding of delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol by plasma lipoproteins.”, states that THC has a clear affinity for the LDL fraction of human plasma (although the study also showed that THC binds to HDL carriers, but not as much as LDL carriers).

So don’t let the “good” and “bad” tags mislead you, after all, CBD has been tagged as “good” and THC has been tagged as “bad” but the medical cannabis community knows better. Therefore, if you want the medical cannabis to be delivered to its intended destination, it’s important that your body have healthy levels of saturated fats flowing through it so the THC and CBD can hitch a ride on them. Healthy foods high in LDL are: all organic dairy foods with 2% or more fat, eggs, non-factory farmed beef, lamb, pork & chicken, fish, shellfish, cocoa butter, palm oil and coconut oil.

This aspect of bioavailability has been partially verified in studies done by GW Pharmaceuticals. They found that “when Sativex is co-administered with food the mean Cmax and AUC for THC were 1.6- and 2.8-fold higher compared with fasting conditions. Corresponding parameters for CBD increased 3.3- and 5.1-fold.Cmax is the “maximum concentration of a drug achieved after dosing”. AUC stands for “area under the curve” and it represents the “total drug exposure over time”.

While doing research for this article, I ran into some interesting facts:
1) THC seems to be more bioavailable than CBD — This clinical study used cannabis based medicinal extracts and concluded that “the bioavailability of THC appears to be greater than CBD”. This other clinical study found that after administering a cannabis based medicinal extract of 10mg each of THC and CBD via the sublingual, buccal, oropharyngeal and oral methods, “concentrations of THC were higher than the corresponding levels of CBD at most time points.

2) Transdermally, CBD is more permeable than THC — From a transdermal perspective (passing through the skin), this study found that CBD was 10 times more permeable than THC.

3) Coconut oil is the preferred oil — If you surf the internet, coconut oil seems to have the most positive reviews in the medical cannabis community, whether it’s used to make edibles or mixed with cannabis extracts. The other advantage of coconut oil is its stable chemical structure which gives it a much longer shelf life than other oils.

4) Nanoemulsion has the potential to greatly increases the bioavailability of cannabis based edibles, sprays and creams— Nanoemulsions have been successfully used for many years in the food, cosmetic, pharmaceutical and chemical industries. Because cannabis is lipophilic (hydrophobic), from a cannabis perspective, the most relevant definition of a nanoemulsion is that it’s a fine oil/water dispersion stabilized by an interfacial film of surfactant molecule having droplet size range 20–600 nm. Nanoemulsion offers the following advantages to potentially increasing the bioavailability of cannabis edibles, sprays and creams:
  • It may be used as substitute for liposomes and vesicles.
  • It is non-toxic and non-irritant in nature.
  • It has improved physical stability.
  • The nano sized droplets, having greater surface area, provide greater absorption.
  • It can be formulated in variety of formulations such as foams, creams, liquids, and sprays.
  • It provides better uptake of oil-soluble supplements in cell culture technology.
  • It helps to solubilize lipophilic drugs.
Unfortunately, there has been very little testing done on the bioavailability of THC and CBD through the various administration modes. This is not surprising since very few pharmaceutical companies have tried to develop cannabis based medicines. In addition, due to cannabis being a Schedule 1 drug, researchers have been severely limited in their ability to study THC and CBD in the United States. Moreover, when they have done research in the US, they have been limited to using synthetic versions of these compounds like Marinol and Nabilone. Lastly, it is important to note that tests using animals don’t necessarily translate to the same results occurring in humans.

Oral — Even though anecdotal evidence does show positive medicinal results from swallowing THC and CBD, the bioavailability of swallowing THC & CBD has been proven to be low — ranging from 4% to 20% with most results in the lower range. This is attributed to what is known as “first-pass metabolism”. In addition, in all studies, oral intake of THC always showed lower peak plasma levels than other intake forms. Moreover, there were great differences in bioavailability among individuals. Lastly, when THC is metabolized by the digestive system, it is converted to 11-OH-THC which is estimated to be 4 to 5 times more psychoactive than THC. This is why some people have reported getting incredibly/uncomfortably high from marijuana edibles. The only advantage found from oral consumption is the fact that the pharmacodynamic effects last from 5–8 hours which means an individual does not have to medicate as often.

Oral Nanoemulsions — No independent studies were found on the bioavailability of cannabis using nanoemulsions. However, a study conducted by Phytotech Therapeutics Ltd using a self-emulsifying oral drug delivery system (SEDDS), yielded 1.6-fold higher plasma Cmax than the equivalent dose of the oromucosal spray (Sativex), for both THC and CBD. Their relative bioavailability was also higher (131% and 116% for CBD and THC, respectively). Values of Tmax were significantly shorter for both CBD and THC (median of 1.3 h for PTL401 vs. 3.5 h for the spray).

NOTE — Curcumin has a well known low bioavailability. A study using nanoemulsions to increase its bioavailability resulted in a 9 fold increase when tested on rats.

NOTE — According to Industrial Sonomechanics, since cannabis oil nanoemulsions already “comprise nano-sized oil droplets and already include all the necessary carrier oils, they are to a large extent able to directly penetrate through the mouth, throat, esophagus and stomach lining into the bloodstream. This results in a very quick (10–15 min) onset of therapeutic action…The rest of the nanoemulsion arrives in the small intestine, where it is digested and absorbed in a way similar to common edibles, but much faster and more completely. Since the nanoemulsion already comprises droplets similar in size to the mixed micelles to be formed in the small intestine, its digestive absorption does not require large oil globules to be broken down into nano-particles. The most inefficient step occurring during the digestive absorption of edibles and gel capsules is thereby circumvented. The results of replacing traditional edibles and gel capsules with nanoemulsion-infused beverages, therefore, include superior bioavailability, faster onset of action and straightforward dosing with fewer pharmacokinetic variations.

Rectal — Anecdotal evidence shows positive results using rectal suppositories. In addition, the rectal approach, when placed correctly (which means avoiding the superior rectal vein), prevents first pass metabolism. Unfortunately, there are very few scientific studies on the bioavailability of rectal administration. One conducted on monkeys showed a bioavailability of 13.5%.

Another study conducted with two patients deduced that the bioavailability was approximately twice that of oral ingestion but did not provide bioavailability percentages. In addition, the studies that were conducted showed that “bioavailability strongly differed depending on suppository formulations”, with THC-hemisuccinate having the best results. However, the average person does not have access to hemisuccinates. Lastly, a clean rectum is required before applying the suppository.

NOTE — These two articles (link 1, link 2) claim bioavailability of 50% to 70% via rectal administration but they provide no scientific proof.

Sublingual — Anecdotal evidence shows positive results using the sublingual (under the tongue) route. However, since there is a salivary gland underneath the tongue, this method may result in some reflex swallowing, decreasing bioavailability and increasing the psychoactivity of THC. Although there are plenty of studies on other drugs via this route, there are virtually no scientific studies on the bioavailability of THC and CBD via this route. Bioavailability was found to be just a bit higher than oral bioavailability. Lastly, sublingual application is the second fastest way to introduce THC and CBD into the body behind smoking/vaporizing.

Buccal/Oromucosal — Anecdotal evidence shows positive results using the buccal/oromucosal (inside the cheek or on the gums) route. It has a few advantages over sublingual administration. It avoids reflex swallowing, it avoids the salivary gland beneath the tongue, and the substance stays in place when placed between the gum and the cheek. In addition, according to GW Pharmaceuticals:”The area under the absorption curve (AUC) is similar for sublingual and buccal formulations, for cannabinoids. After buccal administration there is a substantial reduction in the amount of the primary (11-hydroxy-) metabolite of the cannabinoids. This confirms that a greater proportion of cannabinoid/active is absorbed transmucosally than from the sublingual area.” It must be noted that these studies mixed the THC and CBD extracts with excipients like ethanol, propylene glycol and peppermint oil.

Smoking/Vaporizing — Anecdotal evidence shows positive results using smoked or vaporized cannabis. In addition, this form of administration avoids first pass metabolism. Although it has been established that vaporizing is healthier than smoking, from a bioavailability standpoint, they are virtually identical. The bioavailability of smoking/vaping was greater for experienced users than novices which is why bioavailability has been shown to range from 2% to 56% in different studies, with most results in the higher range. In addition, with the exception of intravenous application, smoked/vaporized consumption showed a higher peak plasma than any other form of consumption. It is also the fastest way to introduce THC and CBD into the body. But the pharmacodynamic effects last less than 3 hours which means an individual has to consume it more often to maintain a constantly medicated state. However, smoking/vaping is extremely inefficient and the proof is in the exhale. All the smoke/vapor that comes out after exhaling, is cannabis that was not absorbed by the lungs and is basically thrown away.

Transdermal — This form of delivery is relatively new with mixed anecdotal evidence (more positive for CBD patches, less positive for THC patches). The biggest challenge to transdermal delivery is the fact that “cannabinoids are highly hydrophobic, making transport across the aqueous layer of the skin the rate-limiting step in the diffusion”.

Only three studies were found and all of them were in vitro or on animals — link 1, link 2, link 3. No studies have been done on humans. There are some companies that have developed transdermal patches for THC and CBD, and there are a few patents relating to this method of delivery. But just because a patent exists, it does not mean it works.

However, to quote analytical chemist Noel Palmer who is a member of the International Cannabinoid Research Society: “The common theory is that if you disrupt the stratum corneum with ‘permeation enhancers’ and/or ‘carriers’ — then you can promote diffusion of API (Active Pharrmaceutical Ingredient) into the bloodstream, even if it’s lipophilic. This has been proven time and time again with other drugs, which is where the precedent came from. THC isn’t that different. Permeation enhancers can be liposomes, fatty acids, terpenes, etc.” The potential positives of transdermal delivery are the facts that it avoids first pass metabolism, and offers the possibility of providing a dosed amount over a longer time period.

NOTE — According to Industrial Sonomechanics, “Transdermal delivery of cannabinoids can be significantly enhanced with a novel formulation type called "nano-emulgel", which is produced by entrapping an aqueous nanoemulsion of cannabis oil in a semi-solid colloidal network (hydrogel) Nano-emulgels enhance skin permeability of oils, leading to faster, more complete absorption of cannabinoids into the bloodstream than has been possible with traditional creams, ointments or patches. They are also non-greasy, more spreadable and stable, have better active substance loading capacity, and can be easily washed off the skin whenever desired.

Lotions/Balms — Medicinal cannabis works by interacting with CB1 and CB2 receptors. These CB receptors are present throughout the body, including muscles, skin, bones, peripheral nerves and synovial tissue. So, even though it has not been proven that THC and CBD are able to enter the bloodstream via the skin without the use of permeation enhances/carriers, anecdotal evidence suggests that they are able to interact with CB receptors in these areas. No studies were found on cannabis infused lotions/balms.
 
Terrific find SweetSue! It's full of amazing information as well as a list of studies that really need to be done. Let's get cannabis off the damn Schedule FFS o_O.

I had a lot of thoughts reading it but these two stood out:

Transdermally, CBD is more permeable than THC — From a transdermal perspective (passing through the skin), this study found that CBD was 10 times more permeable than THC.
Still waiting for someone to report on topicals made from high CBD strains. I think @Van Stank was going to do that with his Harlequin.
Moreover, there were great differences in bioavailability among individuals. Lastly, when THC is metabolized by the digestive system, it is converted to 11-OH-THC which is estimated to be 4 to 5 times more psychoactive than THC. This is why some people have reported getting incredibly/uncomfortably high from marijuana edibles. The only advantage found from oral consumption is the fact that the pharmacodynamic effects last from 5–8 hours which means an individual does not have to medicate as often.
I remember @Amy Gardner saying how edibles were not her thing. Interestingly she is finding new ways of ingesting that are more palatable lately. I wonder if it's related to the LDL/HDL mentioned in the post.

Thanks for posting that :thanks:
 
Thanks Shed for calling me over. I haven’t checked in here for a while. I’ll check that out.

I used a portion of CBDCC in the last batch of pain oil I made. I have no idea if it’s any stronger or better than the first batch I made with only the Afghani x Critical Mass. They both works well. I have since realised though that the Af. x CM has about 3% CBD so there’s always been some in there.
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wonder if it's related to the LDL/HDL mentioned in the post.

Now I off to find out what that means :nomo:


Edit: honestly... monkeys? I’m sure there would be plenty of humans willing to be a test subject. Poor monkeys... :confused:
 
Home made topicals have been working, helping me with RA, minor aches and pains, scratches, dry skin and alcoholism, for years. Just kidding about the drinking problem! I quit drinking too much when I quit cigarettes! Higher CBD in my "rub" does translate to enhanced results for me, either by actual action or just perception without testing, who cares, I feel better! It is nice to hear one has been right for years, about something that the authorities/experts are just beginning to learn about! Sue , have you tried marrying the goodness of Aloe with cannabis in the same product? Uhm? Sounds like a new experiment!
 
Home made topicals have been working, helping me with RA, minor aches and pains, scratches, dry skin and alcoholism, for years. Just kidding about the drinking problem! I quit drinking too much when I quit cigarettes! Higher CBD in my "rub" does translate to enhanced results for me, either by actual action or just perception without testing, who cares, I feel better! It is nice to hear one has been right for years, about something that the authorities/experts are just beginning to learn about! Sue , have you tried marrying the goodness of Aloe with cannabis in the same product? Uhm? Sounds like a new experiment!

Way back before Cajun’s health took a nosedive he’d created a healing balm for his patients that had aloe, among other things added. He’d developed it to heal the chemical burns from chemo and the aloe made all the difference, in his opinion. Something to explore for sure Tim.

He never recovered long enough from that point to dig up the recipe and share it with us. It’ll be a trial-and-error adventure for us.

What proportion of CBD do you add Tim? Do you have your recipe around to share?
 
Alright.... now bear with me, I dont live in a legal state, so I dont know all the new goodies that are on the market....

But.... am I crazy to think a CBD infused toothpaste would be an amazing way to start & end a day? Sublingual-ish application?

Just thinking creatively after my mornin' wake-n-bake... brainstorming...

-P:ganjamon:
 
Alright.... now bear with me, I dont live in a legal state, so I dont know all the new goodies that are on the market....

But.... am I crazy to think a CBD infused toothpaste would be an amazing way to start & end a day? Sublingual-ish application?

Just thinking creatively after my mornin' wake-n-bake... brainstorming...

-P:ganjamon:

Actually, that sounds pretty good Preston. I’m always considering the value to oral health of chewing raw buds. Dig up a recipe and give it a shot. :battingeyelashes:
 
Actually, that sounds pretty good Preston. I’m always considering the value to oral health of chewing raw buds. Dig up a recipe and give it a shot. :battingeyelashes:
I'm gonna dig into it a bit to see what I can find. I'm just wondering in 2-ish minutes of brushing would be a long enough exposure sublingually to be effective. I would assume so, I know I don't hold drops under my tongue for anywhere near that long but the concentrate will be diluted some during the process.

Only one way to find out...
 
Way back before Cajun’s health took a nosedive he’d created a healing balm for his patients that had aloe, among other things added. He’d developed it to heal the chemical burns from chemo and the aloe made all the difference, in his opinion. Something to explore for sure Tim.

He never recovered long enough from that point to dig up the recipe and share it with us. It’ll be a trial-and-error adventure for us.

What proportion of CBD do you add Tim? Do you have your recipe around to share?
I wish I was that professional Sue! I have simply used various oils, I make with a friend from different varieties that reportedly had more or less CBD, at random ,more than by design! If you remember, a few years ago, I think I mentioned using refined coconut oil because it entered the skin better and sunflower or soy lecithin, Also beeswax for topical's. Unrefined virgin coconut is better for my edibles. I am still playing(every batch a bit different) with varieties of plants, quantity of oil (grams per LB. of finished product, etc.).Sometimes, I am ashamed to say,I don't even measure anything,( just like I bake bread now days) with small batches for my own use! I promise to, in the near future, make a fresh batch, carefully recording my measures and testing it on myself and a close circle of friends and reporting back! My last batch I made, if I remember was almost 3 grams of very good oil from Train Wreck and Northern Lights buds, 5 oz. refined coconut oil, 3/4 to 1ounce (aprox. don't remember weight, just aprox . size)beeswax and 1/4 teaspoon soy lecithin. I put it in two oz. cosmetic jars and use it liberally at least daily, usually several times a day on my hands (and elsewhere on all kinds of skin, bone or muscle issues). When I used a mixture of a balanced CBD strain 8% each THC and CBD and some Gorilla Glue , it seemed to work even better, though it may of been my expectations! It goes a pretty long way and I have improved my RA from that(or similar) and edibles, I believe. Sorry, I am such a tinkerer' and less scientific than would be helpful! P.S. I too, can not run down to the local dispensary for materials, therefor I (or Friends) grow and make everything myself/ourselves, from oil to hot pressing buds for dabs of delicious goodness!
 
This is the beauty of cannabis Tim, we don’t need to treat it like a pharmaceutical and you’ll still get relief. Thank you for the explaination of your casual approach.

I’m a big fan of casual cannabis inclusion, more food than medicine. I’m starting to ease the daughter into the idea of chewing dried buds now and then to get some acid cannabinoids into the system.

Interesting.... I have a number of balanced chemovars to choose from and next batch of topical oils I’ll mix some in there. Many of those I give the cream to have RA.
 
I'm gonna dig into it a bit to see what I can find. I'm just wondering in 2-ish minutes of brushing would be a long enough exposure sublingually to be effective. I would assume so, I know I don't hold drops under my tongue for anywhere near that long but the concentrate will be diluted some during the process.

Only one way to find out...
Wow , got me thinking! I wonder what oils with all of the goodness of cannabis would do for peridontal disease? Would a bit of pot oil mixed with oil of clove be even better at relieving a toothache temporarily? I don't enjoy getting stoned (smoking/vaping) with a toothache! It just seems to enhance my pain awareness. But what about the healing power or the analgesic effects of a topical/edible? I wonder about using a waterpik to deliver an emulsion down into the infected gum line, I will be exploring this , most likely, as well. Anybody have something on this, especially the peridontal disease aspect?
 
This is the beauty of cannabis Tim, we don’t need to treat it like a pharmaceutical and you’ll still get relief. Thank you for the explaination of your casual approach.

I’m a big fan of casual cannabis inclusion, more food than medicine. I’m starting to ease the daughter into the idea of chewing dried buds now and then to get some acid cannabinoids into the system.

Interesting.... I have a number of balanced chemovars to choose from and next batch of topical oils I’ll mix some in there. Many of those I give the cream to have RA.
I like to eat a small piece of bud sometimes, toasted in a skillet, a sprinkle of garlic powder and a few drops of olive oil, not as tasty as it sounds(but Not Bad), I have always felt that using the whole plant in a variety of ways enhanced my wellness!
 

The four pillars of health:
* nutrition
* exercise
* meditation
* cannabis oil

I’d have to agree Justin

Acid cannabinoid medicines are particularly useful for spasticity, neurological concerns, and inflammation.

Cancer treatment is inclusive.

There is no magic bullet and it takes more than oil shoved up your butt to stop the progress of and eliminate the possibility of cancer returning.

Cancer is your body going to incredible steps to get you to pay attention to the fact that something is wrong with the way you’re thinking. Just my own thoughts.


Justin is rather passionate about the need to allow terminal cancer patients access to cannabis oil. Couldn’t agree more and it’s refreshing to see the passion in someone so young, so well-educated, and so highly respected in the field of cannabis therapeutics.

He shares stories of cancer survivors, and I was particularly impressed that he used them to demonstrate things like the importance of getting dose right and how necessary it is to keep up the maintenance dose.

Dr. Frankel shared with Justin that in his practice he sees significant tumor shrinkage with doses at the level of 40-60 total cannabinoids a day.
 
Mara makes the valid point that if you don’t have lab tests you play a guessing game. I have an opposing view as to the medicinal value of the preparations created in home kitchens all over the world, so I reject her full statement of

“If you don’t have lab tests you don’t have medicine, you have a guessing game.”

Sorry Mara. Cannabis is medicine if all I do is smoke recreationally. The inability of a home dispensary to track the medicine to the milligram in no way diminishes its ability to heal my loved ones and myself.

As much as I admire her I’m rankled by her drive to make us make cannabis medicine. IMO cannabis has an honored place as the safest medicine we have access to, and it’s administration can be effective across a wide window of dosing without fear of killing someone.

I’m good with the idea that we can dose cannabis with control and repeatability. I’m not good with insisting that it all be tested to be considered a legitimate modality.

I’m getting ready to create capsules for my daughter that are about 5 mg each. She and I want to test the waters of “Start low and Go slow” and we’re thinking 5mg makes a good step. Now... we can’t get this oil tested, and doing so for a small test batch seems like it’d be out of reach for most households. Are we to call these feeble attempts to self-medicate somehow less effective than those run by overpriced doctors who control the dose but know less about what they’re dispensing?

With every patient you dose orally the method is the same:
* start sub-therapeutically (Start low)
* increase doses slowly and thoughtfully, giving enough time to let the body adjust before increasing (Go slow)
* when you can’t adjust comfortably to the euphoric effects either increase the ratio of CBD or take one step back on the THC dose

Suppositories have a modified approach, but this plan is the standard. Regardless of the strength and makeup of my oil preparation, this is the way it’s dosed.

I’m not suggesting nobody test. I’m suggesting that not everyone need to, and that doesn’t make it any less useful as a medicine. Testing would be wonderful. Everyone wants it. So make it affordable and accessible.

Gosh.... she really gets me going, doesn’t she? Lol! I admire this woman probably more than anyone else in the business. That doesn’t mean I buy into her line 100%.


Back to the video. :battingeyelashes:
 
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