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Good morning Ms. Sue.
I just wanted to stop by and say that I am still around and read here every day. I am being quiet though. Just learning with my mouth shut for once.
Oh yeah by the by, Very cool for you that you are motm. You are simply a wonderful person and very deserving and grateful to boot.
Have an amazing day. I know you will.
I just wanted to stop by and say that I am still around and read here every day. I am being quiet though. Just learning with my mouth shut for once.
Oh yeah by the by, Very cool for you that you are motm. You are simply a wonderful person and very deserving and grateful to boot.
Have an amazing day. I know you will.
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Good morning Ms. Sue.
I just wanted to stop by and say that I am still around and read here every day. I am being quiet though. Just learning with my mouth shut for once.
Oh yeah by the by, Very cool for you that you are motm. You are simply a wonderful person and very deserving and grateful to boot.
Have an amazing day. I know you will.
Morning Jacob.
I notice your footprints here all the time. Thank you so much for the congratulations. I'm smiling like a butcher's dog. Lol!
heya sue,, just noticed another title to your name,, so deserved, great participation sue, great for us all that is,, cheers,,
as for my oil progress,, second batch is done,, very different from the first, indeed, in so many ways,,
first a pic,,
i won't be providing any spectacular 420 fotos here,, just pics of oil,, no gushers, just drops of oil, that's it
there we go,, oil, drops,,,
the upper blob, black gooey lump, with shape even, not frozen, thick as heck,,,, is the first oil i made, should say we,, the missus helped out,, no winterizing steps, near exact as the video you provided suggests, perhaps the video suggests straining through a coffee filter, i forget, anyway, no coffee filter here
the lower oil drop is the latest attempt,, and i will confess to a shortcut right off,, no coffee filter here either,, and some sediment entered the final solution,, my mistake, and will not happen next time Teach, promise.
i did, however, do all the freezing and boiling and triple mix and all the rest
question right off sue, if i might,, the thickness,, the first batch is super thick, and the second batch is super thin, by comparison,, i can understand a bit of the reasoning there, but perhaps not all,, is this expected??
one thing i can report, the potency when a tiny droplet is smoked, which is legal in kelowna, least my house,, the second latest batch is kick ass,, the first black gooey mass is flick with your finger in the ass
next batch is the full on ten yards,,
btw,, for about the last month and a half i have been dosing with the proverbial rice size portion, every day, for preventative medicine purposes only,, i figure iffin i have something bad show up in my health two years from now, then i have that bad in me now, perhaps born with it, so, take the medicine/drug/ now,
and i have the missus dosing with me now as well,, and this is how we do it,, get ready for a chuckle now,, we take said rice size portion, place said portion onto the tiniest piece of paper towel, tiny now i mentioned, fold over, tinier now,, and swallow,, that's it too, well, with beer usually, must admit , near always in the early evening, and we really do not notice much of an affect,, which is a good thing, in my mind,, i will smoke it to get high iffin i need to, this be medicine,, ha,,
curious about your thoughts, perhaps you could point me in the direction of the info on the supercharging of the oil,
cheers again motm, or teach, or ,, sue,, super happy for ya,,
a pic or two of my latest mama thai/thai stick harvest, the best bud,, this is the best, potent wise plant i have grown yet,, love this one, indeed. oil from this???,, oh my,,
come closer
just dandy stuff,, thanks again sue,, you have my utmost admiration, must say,,
as for my oil progress,, second batch is done,, very different from the first, indeed, in so many ways,,
first a pic,,
i won't be providing any spectacular 420 fotos here,, just pics of oil,, no gushers, just drops of oil, that's it
there we go,, oil, drops,,,
the upper blob, black gooey lump, with shape even, not frozen, thick as heck,,,, is the first oil i made, should say we,, the missus helped out,, no winterizing steps, near exact as the video you provided suggests, perhaps the video suggests straining through a coffee filter, i forget, anyway, no coffee filter here
the lower oil drop is the latest attempt,, and i will confess to a shortcut right off,, no coffee filter here either,, and some sediment entered the final solution,, my mistake, and will not happen next time Teach, promise.
i did, however, do all the freezing and boiling and triple mix and all the rest
question right off sue, if i might,, the thickness,, the first batch is super thick, and the second batch is super thin, by comparison,, i can understand a bit of the reasoning there, but perhaps not all,, is this expected??
one thing i can report, the potency when a tiny droplet is smoked, which is legal in kelowna, least my house,, the second latest batch is kick ass,, the first black gooey mass is flick with your finger in the ass
next batch is the full on ten yards,,
btw,, for about the last month and a half i have been dosing with the proverbial rice size portion, every day, for preventative medicine purposes only,, i figure iffin i have something bad show up in my health two years from now, then i have that bad in me now, perhaps born with it, so, take the medicine/drug/ now,
and i have the missus dosing with me now as well,, and this is how we do it,, get ready for a chuckle now,, we take said rice size portion, place said portion onto the tiniest piece of paper towel, tiny now i mentioned, fold over, tinier now,, and swallow,, that's it too, well, with beer usually, must admit , near always in the early evening, and we really do not notice much of an affect,, which is a good thing, in my mind,, i will smoke it to get high iffin i need to, this be medicine,, ha,,
curious about your thoughts, perhaps you could point me in the direction of the info on the supercharging of the oil,
cheers again motm, or teach, or ,, sue,, super happy for ya,,
a pic or two of my latest mama thai/thai stick harvest, the best bud,, this is the best, potent wise plant i have grown yet,, love this one, indeed. oil from this???,, oh my,,
come closer
just dandy stuff,, thanks again sue,, you have my utmost admiration, must say,,
Congratulations Sue!! You deserve the title!!
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It's a study hall. Sometimes I need to remind myself that that means I can really come here and study. I'm dropping these here so I don't misplace them. I'll be reworking it for later use.
Class Notes: rough draft
Unlock The Full Therapeutic Power Of Cannabis - GreenFlower Media
Part One: Dr. Rachel Knox
Cannabis with arthritis
Arthritis is inflammation and degeneration of cartilage and bone in the joints.
- Key word is "Inflammation"
You'll need both THC and CBD to effectively treat the disease.
- many patients don't want euphoria
The way you want to feel at the end of the day will determine your choice of strain.
For patients new to cannabis you want to start with a minimal dose of a combined 2.5 mg of cannabinoids (both THC and CBD combined)
- this is the bare minimum to cause an effect
- most people are maxing out at about 10mg THC daily
- CBD you can go as high as 10-20 mg/pound weight
* at higher levels some patients may have nausea or upset stomach
* an average body will tolerate these ratios, but every body is individual in its response to cannabis
Try for a starting ratio of between 10-14:1, CBD:THC
- you're trying to determine the THC tolerance with new patients
- slowly increase THC values until patient finds sweet spot with pain and inflammation relief and euphoria
- you have a lot more wiggle room with the CBD
- in theory there shouldn't be a tolerance concern with CBD
- people would be more likely to be sleepy at those high doses before they'd be likely to get upset stomach or nausea
Typical adverse side effects (signs that you've overdosed your particular system)
THC
- anxiety, panic, racing heartbeat, upset stomach, nausea, paranoia
- if you experience any of these, next time start at a lower dose
- symptoms will only last as long as the THC is active in the system (typically 2-8 hrs, depending on method of administration)
Antidotes = terpenes
- terpenes on citrus fruits and in pine will create an antidote effect to the High of THC
- either zest the skin of an orange, lemon or lime or eat pesto that's full of alpha Pinene, the terpenes can counteract the high of THC
NOTE: in the section with Jessica (below: part two) she mentions that Pinene makes her anxious. She has anxiety and PTSD, and recommends patients with these conditions avoid Pinene. This needs to be taken into consideration.
For a regular cannabis user a ratio of 4:1, CBD:THC will cancel out euphoria
Many arthritis patients have been able to replace their pharmaceutical medications with topicals for joint and neuropathic pain
Aging patients in good health, but wanting to counter effects of aging
- even seemingly healthy people can benefit from cannabis
- in this day and age none of us are completely healthy
- we need supplementation to help create homeostasis
- cannabis can bring the inflammation down and help keep the system in flow and slow degeneration down
Juiced cannabis has more antioxidant properties than juiced kale
You only need a small dose for maintenance of a healthy body
- most of us need just a tiny bit
Tinctures are a great administration method for many people
- you'll get a higher concentration of cannabinoids in a dropper than you will in a joint
Does cannabis effect blood sugar?
Short answer = yes.
Cannabis can be used pallatively (to treat symptoms), or caretively
When you're talking about diabetes you're talking about a like style, not just cannabis. Cannabis can be used to both curb and stimulate appetite. Pay very close attention to what your cannabis strain is providing for you.
Of greater importance is paying attention to nutrition. Cannabis won't control your blood sugar the way eating proper will. The bulk of the work in diabetes management is avoiding some foods and including others.
Diabetes is one of the hallmark diseases for inflammation. Our hormonal messaging system has been obstructed by that inflammation. Reduce the inflammation and improve cellular signaling, improving health at a cellular level.
That's what's so nice about cannabis. You're boosting the immune system and the endocannabinoid system and improving health at a cellular level. When you use cannabis in conjunction with a whole food diet you can create balance where there was chaos.
Used properly cannabis can help control food intake as well as reduce inflammation, improving cellular messaging between insulin and glucose to create stable blood sugar levels.
One of the best uses for cannabis is the ability to supplement our overtaxed ECS and bring our bodies back to homeostasis
THC can be used to enhance fertility. In order to implant an egg in the womb there must be anandamide present. THC is an anandamide mimicker. Theoretically, THC could be used in supplementation with a fertility regimen to assist implantation.
How does cannabis effect the mental/emotional mindfulness?
- Expectation and the biology of the brain
- the placebo effect is actually your belief causing healing
- the ECS works by feeling
Everyone using cannabis is medicating, whether or not you face the reality.
Cannabis allows you to me more mindful and to allow healing to be part of that mindfulness.
Cancer
- we should be encouraged by the use of cannabis to treat cancer
- cannabinoids can signal apoptosis; this is scientific fact
- apoptosis take out the cancerous cell without damaging healthy cells.
- there's enough anecdotal evidence to strongly suggest that cannabis is a cure for cancer
- recent studies show that cannabis enhances effects of chemo and radiation while reducing adverse side effects of these treatments
- use full-extract cannabis oil at any level you're comfortable with
- patients should be free to make their own choices of what they want to put into their bodies
Patient conversation
- Linilool or myrcene dominant strains work well for ADD
- Pain is much the same, says with purples and kushes
- the euphoria is a way to bring balance to brain, body and spirit and doesn't need to be feared or demonized
Medicine is something that's supposed to make us feel better if we have a problem. If you compare the side effects of cannabis against all the other "feel better" drugs you can't help but come away feeling good about cannabis.
Part Two: Jessica Peters, MoxyMeds
Endometriosis patient originally
Picking a good daytime regimen
- anxiety and PTSD concerns with sativas
- CBD medications can be very helpful for keeping focus and energy without euphoria or anxiety or PTSD
- if you choose your strain with the terpene profile in mind you can find a sativa that won't amp up anxiety or PTSD.
- for anxiety symptoms steer clear of Pinene and look for linalool and myrcene
- tinctures can be an easier way to dial in the protocol
- CBD can be preferred if you don't want to aggravate anxiety or PTSD or if you need to be focused in the workplace in a way that will be compromised with higher levels of THC.
Every patient has the responsibility of experimenting to find how your body responds to medications and to dial in your personal protocol.
It's about the whole plant, about using the components in concert to get the therapeutic effect the patient is seeking. You want the entourage effect that cannabis-sourced CBD and won't be available in hemp-sourced CBD. Hemp CBD comes at a high input-low output cost and also requires a much larger dose to get a therapeutic effect than one would need from cannabis whole plant medications. For the majority of patients hemp CBD won't work at all. Get a CBD-rich cannabis strain and stop frustrating yourself. (A bottle three times a day vs two drops three times a day.)
Sleep: High or low THC? CBD?
It depends on the patient
- pain or stress-related issues respond well to balanced or higher CBD
- pain responds best to balanced
- patients with insomnia who're comfortable with THC should consider a high THC edible at bedtime.
* if you get a THC hangover you can counter it with a dose of something high in CBD
With insomnia you have to first determine what's the barrier to your sleep. Is it pain, anxiety or insomnia? Is it a combination of these symptoms? Figure this out first, then experiment with a protocol.
About 10-15% of the population will find CBD invigorating. You won't know that until you try it. If you're one of these people don't use CBD as a sleep med.
Cannabis and menstration
- CBD can be highly beneficial for cramps, pain, nausea
- CBD can make the difference with endometriosis
- CBD can assist anxiety and moodiness
- CBD can help with bloating and inflammation
- cannabis can create balance by positively affecting these multiple symptoms
Topicals
THC appears to provide more benefit in topicals. This is what she sees in her practice and what they hear at GreenFlower.
Glaucoma
- both THC and CBD have proven to be effective
- a balanced ratio is the golden ratio for glaucoma
- micro dosing is apparently working very well for this treatment
Strain-specific recommendations
There are so many variables plant to plant that this can be chasing the rabbit.
Let your nose lead you when choosing buds. Your body usually knows what terpenes will benefit you. Trust it to guide you. Check on the components to be certain it won't be detrimental on some level, but trust the nose and the eyes. What draws you? Go with that one.
Patient story
This patient cured herself of MS eating cannabis.
MS is a disease whereby the protective coating of the nerve cells are compromised.
Strain effect is individual to the body and individual to what's going on in the body at that time. Choose the strain for the application that you need.
With MS you deal with muscle spasms, insomnia, depression among other things. Choose the strain to meet the needs of the body at that moment. That will change at any time. Try not to get hung up on one strain.
Cannabis is a supplemental medication'forma deficient ECS, no different than insulin as a supplement to the pancreas.
Her protocol includes cannabis-infused oil, two droppers at bedtime with vaping for breakthrough. She mixes strains for the effects she's after. She's symptom-free.
Class Notes: rough draft
Unlock The Full Therapeutic Power Of Cannabis - GreenFlower Media
Part One: Dr. Rachel Knox
Cannabis with arthritis
Arthritis is inflammation and degeneration of cartilage and bone in the joints.
- Key word is "Inflammation"
You'll need both THC and CBD to effectively treat the disease.
- many patients don't want euphoria
The way you want to feel at the end of the day will determine your choice of strain.
For patients new to cannabis you want to start with a minimal dose of a combined 2.5 mg of cannabinoids (both THC and CBD combined)
- this is the bare minimum to cause an effect
- most people are maxing out at about 10mg THC daily
- CBD you can go as high as 10-20 mg/pound weight
* at higher levels some patients may have nausea or upset stomach
* an average body will tolerate these ratios, but every body is individual in its response to cannabis
Try for a starting ratio of between 10-14:1, CBD:THC
- you're trying to determine the THC tolerance with new patients
- slowly increase THC values until patient finds sweet spot with pain and inflammation relief and euphoria
- you have a lot more wiggle room with the CBD
- in theory there shouldn't be a tolerance concern with CBD
- people would be more likely to be sleepy at those high doses before they'd be likely to get upset stomach or nausea
Typical adverse side effects (signs that you've overdosed your particular system)
THC
- anxiety, panic, racing heartbeat, upset stomach, nausea, paranoia
- if you experience any of these, next time start at a lower dose
- symptoms will only last as long as the THC is active in the system (typically 2-8 hrs, depending on method of administration)
Antidotes = terpenes
- terpenes on citrus fruits and in pine will create an antidote effect to the High of THC
- either zest the skin of an orange, lemon or lime or eat pesto that's full of alpha Pinene, the terpenes can counteract the high of THC
NOTE: in the section with Jessica (below: part two) she mentions that Pinene makes her anxious. She has anxiety and PTSD, and recommends patients with these conditions avoid Pinene. This needs to be taken into consideration.
For a regular cannabis user a ratio of 4:1, CBD:THC will cancel out euphoria
Many arthritis patients have been able to replace their pharmaceutical medications with topicals for joint and neuropathic pain
Aging patients in good health, but wanting to counter effects of aging
- even seemingly healthy people can benefit from cannabis
- in this day and age none of us are completely healthy
- we need supplementation to help create homeostasis
- cannabis can bring the inflammation down and help keep the system in flow and slow degeneration down
Juiced cannabis has more antioxidant properties than juiced kale
You only need a small dose for maintenance of a healthy body
- most of us need just a tiny bit
Tinctures are a great administration method for many people
- you'll get a higher concentration of cannabinoids in a dropper than you will in a joint
Does cannabis effect blood sugar?
Short answer = yes.
Cannabis can be used pallatively (to treat symptoms), or caretively
When you're talking about diabetes you're talking about a like style, not just cannabis. Cannabis can be used to both curb and stimulate appetite. Pay very close attention to what your cannabis strain is providing for you.
Of greater importance is paying attention to nutrition. Cannabis won't control your blood sugar the way eating proper will. The bulk of the work in diabetes management is avoiding some foods and including others.
Diabetes is one of the hallmark diseases for inflammation. Our hormonal messaging system has been obstructed by that inflammation. Reduce the inflammation and improve cellular signaling, improving health at a cellular level.
That's what's so nice about cannabis. You're boosting the immune system and the endocannabinoid system and improving health at a cellular level. When you use cannabis in conjunction with a whole food diet you can create balance where there was chaos.
Used properly cannabis can help control food intake as well as reduce inflammation, improving cellular messaging between insulin and glucose to create stable blood sugar levels.
One of the best uses for cannabis is the ability to supplement our overtaxed ECS and bring our bodies back to homeostasis
THC can be used to enhance fertility. In order to implant an egg in the womb there must be anandamide present. THC is an anandamide mimicker. Theoretically, THC could be used in supplementation with a fertility regimen to assist implantation.
How does cannabis effect the mental/emotional mindfulness?
- Expectation and the biology of the brain
- the placebo effect is actually your belief causing healing
- the ECS works by feeling
Everyone using cannabis is medicating, whether or not you face the reality.
Cannabis allows you to me more mindful and to allow healing to be part of that mindfulness.
Cancer
- we should be encouraged by the use of cannabis to treat cancer
- cannabinoids can signal apoptosis; this is scientific fact
- apoptosis take out the cancerous cell without damaging healthy cells.
- there's enough anecdotal evidence to strongly suggest that cannabis is a cure for cancer
- recent studies show that cannabis enhances effects of chemo and radiation while reducing adverse side effects of these treatments
- use full-extract cannabis oil at any level you're comfortable with
- patients should be free to make their own choices of what they want to put into their bodies
Patient conversation
- Linilool or myrcene dominant strains work well for ADD
- Pain is much the same, says with purples and kushes
- the euphoria is a way to bring balance to brain, body and spirit and doesn't need to be feared or demonized
Medicine is something that's supposed to make us feel better if we have a problem. If you compare the side effects of cannabis against all the other "feel better" drugs you can't help but come away feeling good about cannabis.
Part Two: Jessica Peters, MoxyMeds
Endometriosis patient originally
Picking a good daytime regimen
- anxiety and PTSD concerns with sativas
- CBD medications can be very helpful for keeping focus and energy without euphoria or anxiety or PTSD
- if you choose your strain with the terpene profile in mind you can find a sativa that won't amp up anxiety or PTSD.
- for anxiety symptoms steer clear of Pinene and look for linalool and myrcene
- tinctures can be an easier way to dial in the protocol
- CBD can be preferred if you don't want to aggravate anxiety or PTSD or if you need to be focused in the workplace in a way that will be compromised with higher levels of THC.
Every patient has the responsibility of experimenting to find how your body responds to medications and to dial in your personal protocol.
It's about the whole plant, about using the components in concert to get the therapeutic effect the patient is seeking. You want the entourage effect that cannabis-sourced CBD and won't be available in hemp-sourced CBD. Hemp CBD comes at a high input-low output cost and also requires a much larger dose to get a therapeutic effect than one would need from cannabis whole plant medications. For the majority of patients hemp CBD won't work at all. Get a CBD-rich cannabis strain and stop frustrating yourself. (A bottle three times a day vs two drops three times a day.)
Sleep: High or low THC? CBD?
It depends on the patient
- pain or stress-related issues respond well to balanced or higher CBD
- pain responds best to balanced
- patients with insomnia who're comfortable with THC should consider a high THC edible at bedtime.
* if you get a THC hangover you can counter it with a dose of something high in CBD
With insomnia you have to first determine what's the barrier to your sleep. Is it pain, anxiety or insomnia? Is it a combination of these symptoms? Figure this out first, then experiment with a protocol.
About 10-15% of the population will find CBD invigorating. You won't know that until you try it. If you're one of these people don't use CBD as a sleep med.
Cannabis and menstration
- CBD can be highly beneficial for cramps, pain, nausea
- CBD can make the difference with endometriosis
- CBD can assist anxiety and moodiness
- CBD can help with bloating and inflammation
- cannabis can create balance by positively affecting these multiple symptoms
Topicals
THC appears to provide more benefit in topicals. This is what she sees in her practice and what they hear at GreenFlower.
Glaucoma
- both THC and CBD have proven to be effective
- a balanced ratio is the golden ratio for glaucoma
- micro dosing is apparently working very well for this treatment
Strain-specific recommendations
There are so many variables plant to plant that this can be chasing the rabbit.
Let your nose lead you when choosing buds. Your body usually knows what terpenes will benefit you. Trust it to guide you. Check on the components to be certain it won't be detrimental on some level, but trust the nose and the eyes. What draws you? Go with that one.
Patient story
This patient cured herself of MS eating cannabis.
MS is a disease whereby the protective coating of the nerve cells are compromised.
Strain effect is individual to the body and individual to what's going on in the body at that time. Choose the strain for the application that you need.
With MS you deal with muscle spasms, insomnia, depression among other things. Choose the strain to meet the needs of the body at that moment. That will change at any time. Try not to get hung up on one strain.
Cannabis is a supplemental medication'forma deficient ECS, no different than insulin as a supplement to the pancreas.
Her protocol includes cannabis-infused oil, two droppers at bedtime with vaping for breakthrough. She mixes strains for the effects she's after. She's symptom-free.
KingstonRabbi
Well-Known Member
Hi Nivek! congrats on 2nd batch of oil.
Your first batch resembles Full-plant Extract (FECO). I don't know if it's the plant waxes or chlorophyll that makes it thick, but that's what I'm used to. Cannabinoid levels were usually around 50% on FECO that I bought in past. It still blends fine with flax seed oil and lecithin and drop of alcohol to make biobombs. You just need to adjust for lower potency of FECO vs CCO.
Your first batch resembles Full-plant Extract (FECO). I don't know if it's the plant waxes or chlorophyll that makes it thick, but that's what I'm used to. Cannabinoid levels were usually around 50% on FECO that I bought in past. It still blends fine with flax seed oil and lecithin and drop of alcohol to make biobombs. You just need to adjust for lower potency of FECO vs CCO.
Your chlorophyll and plant waxes are obviously present in your first batch compared to your 2nd. That is why winterizing and filtering as quick as possible is crucial Imo, I set my freezer to the coldest possible temp (-25) when winterizing, I also have 6-8 coffee filters and funnels ready , so i can usually filter 2 liters of alcohol mix in roughly 15 mins, this temperature will coagulate the chlorophyll and plant waxes catching them into the filter, hence the nice golden color.
pan, and king, thanks for the reply,, confirming my thinking, adding to the knowledge base, of us all,, great stuff indeed,,
so, the thinness, comparatively speaking, of the oil is to be expected?, i expect so, remove the clutter, everything is freeer to move around,, makes sense, i guess,,
cheers y'all
so, the thinness, comparatively speaking, of the oil is to be expected?, i expect so, remove the clutter, everything is freeer to move around,, makes sense, i guess,,
cheers y'all
Yes, once you filter out the Plant waxes the oil consistency will change.Such a cleaner and purer looking oil in the end.
KingstonRabbi
Well-Known Member
For the record, golden CCO is not necessarily better than FECO. There are strong advocates that FECO includes more therapeutic compounds and nutrients that CCO process removes. The woman who introduced me to CO uses the whole plant (stems and roots too, otherwise it's not full-plant extract). There are compounds found only in roots of MMJ, but hardly any info to show actual benefit of FECO vs CCO. I see advantages to both and think it's really a matter of preference. I also juice to get as complex combo of benefits as possible, so you can guess where I stand on the color of my oil.
I was going to finish with a joke about knowing the power of the dark side of CCO but couldn't get it to sound quite right. Maybe "once you go black you won't go back."
I was going to finish with a joke about knowing the power of the dark side of CCO but couldn't get it to sound quite right. Maybe "once you go black you won't go back."
KingstonRabbi
Well-Known Member
And Sue, congrats! I'd have said so earlier but I was so busy reading your monster post that I just finished. Seemed like the more I scrolled down the more it grew! Awesome work all around. Thank You!
kofidog
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Very interesting! Thanks for posting that!For the record, golden CCO is not necessarily better than FECO. There are strong advocates that FECO includes more therapeutic compounds and nutrients that CCO process removes. The woman who introduced me to CO uses the whole plant (stems and roots too, otherwise it's not full-plant extract). There are compounds found only in roots of MMJ, but hardly any info to show actual benefit of FECO vs CCO. I see advantages to both and think it's really a matter of preference. I also juice to get as complex combo of benefits as possible, so you can guess where I stand on the color of my oil.
I was going to finish with a joke about knowing the power of the dark side of CCO but couldn't get it to sound quite right. Maybe "once you go black you won't go back."
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For the record, golden CCO is not necessarily better than FECO. There are strong advocates that FECO includes more therapeutic compounds and nutrients that CCO process removes. The woman who introduced me to CO uses the whole plant (stems and roots too, otherwise it's not full-plant extract). There are compounds found only in roots of MMJ, but hardly any info to show actual benefit of FECO vs CCO. I see advantages to both and think it's really a matter of preference. I also juice to get as complex combo of benefits as possible, so you can guess where I stand on the color of my oil.
I was going to finish with a joke about knowing the power of the dark side of CCO but couldn't get it to sound quite right. Maybe "once you go black you won't go back."
I wholeheartedly agree. The more diversified your cannabinoids sources the better IMHO, and that dark green oil that looks black is astounding stuff that has a unique energy.
Thanks for the reminder the FECO should include the roots. I'll make sure to do so when I process the next one.
Thanks for the congratulations too. This one felt less overwhelming than the last two, but it has me thinking about what direction to take next. Before the end of the year I want to assess what we've discovered here and try to get it consolidated into something more user-friendly, so I'll likely start taking time to answer some of those initial questions before then.
GreenFlower Media's offering a Master Class on getting the full therapeutic power of cannabis that I'll be doing everything possible to get into. It's an expansion on the intro one I took notes on above. The initial run filled up overnight. It's eleven modules long and one of those modules is extensive case studies that I'm hankering to see.
I think I'll try to lay off anymore classes other than that before year's end so I can get our work here rounded up. What's really nice about the study hall is it just keeps going. Every year I can do an offshoot reference post and tidy everything up while we keep moving forward.
You all have no idea how much I appreciate all of your contributions.
If i was going to take the Feco method would you have to work up to higher dosages then when using highly CCO? Like say for cancer?So instead of taking 1 gram of oil when hitting your peak protocol maybe you should be taking 2 grams of the FECO oil?
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I don't know the precise answer for this panacea, but my instincts tell me that the entourage effect in FECO will bring a higher level of effectiveness at lower doses. Having said that, your suggestion makes a certain amount of sense and this is where my brain went too.
Here is my opinion, for what it is worth. lol. I think the feco method would be great for a overall health regimen for the relatively healthy person who is not trying to treat a serious disease such as a late stage cancer with very grim prognosis. As Cajun and many others has stated we should be using a high Thc and Cbd strain.If i was going to treat myself for a serious disease I personally would put my faith into a highly CCO compared to one that uses stems, roots, shake & shade leaves. Thou it would be great to have tests done or honest testimonials from people who has successfully treated a serious disease with the Feco method.I am by no means discrediting this method, I agree by utilizing every bit of the plant. Just like to have a little credence to back this method up./l\
By the way Sue , Great dedication and hard work to the CCO movement. I been printing off many of the articles and write ups you and others on here have posted these threads pertaining to CCO.When i have spare time i read through all of the threads from the beginning and pick out all of the valuable info, and i must say i am getting quite the "cannabis catalogue" established with all the incredible info, now if i had your organizing skills and patience it would make my task a hell of alot easier. Great work by all!
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By the way Sue , Great dedication and hard work to the CCO movement. I been printing off many of the articles and write ups you and others on here have posted these threads pertaining to CCO.When i have spare time i read through all of the threads from the beginning and pick out all of the valuable info, and i must say i am getting quite the "cannabis catalogue" established with all the incredible info, now if i had your organizing skills and patience it would make my task a hell of alot easier. Great work by all!
Thank you panacea. That means a lot coming from you. I came on a little strong and that caused some waves. I do what I can, made much easier by the dedication of those who surround me. The organizational thing is a cosmic gift I got from my mother.
This is a lot of information to organize. I applaud your work.
KingstonRabbi
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RE: FECO dosing. Yes, I do take relative potency into account. Right now I'm still building tolerance so not big deal, but I will adjust for higher doses.
I am assuming my FECO is close to 50% potency. When I could buy it, it was 50-65%. Comparable CCO I could purchase was 70-90% (although I think they had to strip a lot of terps and minor cannbinoids to get 90% THC.) Let's say I could make 70% CCO vs 50% FECO. That's about 1/3 less potent, so I'm assuming I will need to increase peak dosage at 1500 mg per day/ 300 mg per dose.
My biobomb capsules contain 70 mg FECO. The one I took orally really gave me a really deep high, several times stronger than I can get from vaping, so I'm pretty sure it's at least 50%.
I do plan to test next couple batches that I will make from better quality herb. I'll try to make one CCO to compare.
I still have a lot of healing to do from chemo treatments, plus other ailments that MMJ helps, so entourage effect is very important to me.
Sue, btw, I don't use stems or roots in my FECO except really small ones. They are too hard to grind up. I might try it in food processor some day. But without more specific data on benefits I'm not committed to going that far.
I am assuming my FECO is close to 50% potency. When I could buy it, it was 50-65%. Comparable CCO I could purchase was 70-90% (although I think they had to strip a lot of terps and minor cannbinoids to get 90% THC.) Let's say I could make 70% CCO vs 50% FECO. That's about 1/3 less potent, so I'm assuming I will need to increase peak dosage at 1500 mg per day/ 300 mg per dose.
My biobomb capsules contain 70 mg FECO. The one I took orally really gave me a really deep high, several times stronger than I can get from vaping, so I'm pretty sure it's at least 50%.
I do plan to test next couple batches that I will make from better quality herb. I'll try to make one CCO to compare.
I still have a lot of healing to do from chemo treatments, plus other ailments that MMJ helps, so entourage effect is very important to me.
Sue, btw, I don't use stems or roots in my FECO except really small ones. They are too hard to grind up. I might try it in food processor some day. But without more specific data on benefits I'm not committed to going that far.