SweetSue's Cannabis Oil Study Hall

Hi everyone, I'm new here, thank you for welcoming me. I have stage 2 inoperable squamous cell cervical cancer. I was diagnosed in january, and have not yet done any standard treatments. I have however, been as aggressive as chemo in every other healthy and alternative option. CCO, orally, and suppository, lipo Spheric vit C, high doses, vit K, thrive supplement shakes, and super greens supplements. Alkaline drops, Ive went vegetarian, and leaning to vegan , sugar free carb free diet. I will say as far as Sues daughter's Cirohsis diagnosis, ( first, Bummer but awesome attitude!!) that the super greens is an excellent liver detoxer , I have taken milk thistle in the past also and it works great as a detoxer. I go in 10 days to get a new scan done. My nerves and anxiety are really getting the better of me. I mostly feel like the whole world is against me (except here obviously) the mental part of this is way harder than i thought. I live in Indiana and "alternative" and "natural" are literal cuss words here. Ive had zero medical support and %90 of the people around me think im insane!!! I believe with every thing i have that this is the right way to go, my body is responding,( i think) positively ... I just really need some cheerleaders!! I need some believers in my corner for a minute , please. Any words of comfort support, experience... Is much appreciated and needed. Much love and thanks !!

Crash.....:hugs::hugs::hugs: Forgive me missing you.

This is a big moment for you, and I sense you've overloaded the emotional investment. How utterly human of you. :hugs::hugs::hugs: Hey, you have this dynamic healing force that you're reinforcing with reserve troops. I'd say the odds are stacked in your favor. If you need a cheerleader, you found one.

Conventional medicine hasn't figured out what to do with us Crash. Lol! You've certainly gone all in, now let me reinforce your belief that you're on the healing path. So much of what we've been conditioned to think about our bodies in diseased states overlooks the reality that you were evolved to spontaneously heal. It's going on right now all through your body. :battingeyelashes:

My advice? Spend the days before your scan washed in the blissful feeling that lies ahead when you find you've tipped the cellular scales in your favor and cancer is diminishing. Cancer cells express an inordinate number of CB1 and CB2 receptor sites. I've always believed they do so because they don't really want to be left alone to kill the host. They're begging for cannabinoids to find them and put an end to the potential destruction.

If my theory is correct, all those troops you're sending in are finding those receptor sites and helping the tumor cells to heal or move along and leave the space for a healthy new cell. Let yourself believe it. Your ECS doesn't know the difference between reality and what you tell it. It'll believe what you tell it every time. Tell it how thrilled you are to be on the path to healthy and strong, and go ahead and feel that right now.

You got this. Keep breathing, you're gonna be fine. :hugs::hugs::hugs:
 
Happy 420 Day To you each and every one of you!!
 
The daughter is showing symptoms of cirrhosis. Just about 14 years ago she downed a bottle and a half of Tylenol and ended up having her stomach pumped. Apparently she didn't get away as unscathed as we were led to believe.

We've determined that the smartest move would be to begin juicing raw bud. I came across this article at MassRoots I'd like to share. There are a number of things I'd like your opinions on.

From MassRoots. Highlighting is mine.

Cannabis Juicing: The Reality of Whole Plant Therapy

PUBLISHED ON MAY 21, 2015, BY GOOEY RABINSKI

Juicing vegetables is nothing new for health-conscious consumers seeking to gain the benefits of phytonutrients and vitamins. Some patients, however, have gained significant benefit from juicing the fan leaves and flowers of raw, undried cannabis.

This is obviously a very different approach than traditional smoking or vaporizing, both of which employ heat to cause chemical changes in the cannabinoids found in the plant. Cannabinoids are stored in the plant in the form of acids and denoted as THC-A, CBD-A, CBG-A, etc. It is only during the application of heat (a process called decarboxylation) that these acids are converted to the cannabinoids with which many cannabis consumers are familiar: THC, CBD, CBG, etc.

When juicing raw plant material, no psychoactive THC is consumed because the molecule simply is not present in the plant. Thus, patients who juice experience no euphoria.

Exemplary Patient Recovery

Dr. William Courtney, a physician in Mendocino County, California, is one of the foremost advocates for cannabis juicing. Courtney gained notoriety after helping his wife, Kristen, overcome a collection of debilitating ailments, including systemic lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, endometriosis, and autoimmune disease — using only cannabis juice. After many weeks of drinking the juice of THC-A-dominant plants, Courtney was able to wean herself off more than 40 different pharmaceutical drugs, many of which delivered negative side effects.

Dr. Courtney focuses on the possible therapeutic value that is lost when cannabinoids are decarboxylated. He claims that 99 percent of the value of cannabis is lost when it is burned or vaporized. In the documentary Leaf, he explains that a given amount of cannabis leaf will, when juiced, provide 500-600 mg of THC-A (the non-psychoactive precursor to THC). Courtney considers this to be a good daily dose. If smoked, this same amount of cannabis would deliver only 10 mg of THC (a standard dose). Based on his work with his patients in Mendocino County, Courtney believes that 500-1000 mg of THC-A is necessary to provide proper efficacy.

Thus, the question becomes one of the medical efficacy of the raw, acidic form of cannabinoids versus their heated, non-acidic siblings. Unfortunately, not enough is known about phytocannabinoids (those derived from plants like cannabis) and their interaction with the endocannabinoid system of the human body.

While completely anecdotal, the story of Kristen Courtney’s miraculous recovery using only raw cannabis juice is both unusual and inspiring. Her case should be taken seriously by the medical establishment in an effort to deliver similar results for other patients.

Is Cannabis Juicing Practical?

The biggest disadvantage of juicing is the inability of patients to find enough raw plant material to juice on a daily basis. Those living in states that have legalized medical marijuana and allow commercial or home cultivation will find it easiest to obtain enough fresh trim to experiment with juicing. Also, because plant material must be fresh, leaves that have dried or been stored for extended periods are not recommended.

Unfortunately, the volume of plant matter that is recommended by Dr. Courtney — 15-20 large fan leaves and a couple of buds per day — will be difficult or impossible for most patients to obtain on a regular basis. Even in states with legal medical marijuana that permit home cultivation, a garden of three to six plants simply can’t provide this amount of leaf material. Typically, only patients that are able to purchase large quantities of trim from commercial growers or community gardens will be capable of juicing on a daily basis.

Some have questioned the validity of Courtney’s approach. To obtain more credible numbers, one patient sent 30 fan leaves for analysis to a lab in Los Angeles. The lab found the leaves to contain 11.5 mg of cannabinoid acids. However, to satisfy the goal of 600 mg of cannabinoid acids, a patient would have to obtain and juice 1,500 leaves per day.

We underestimate the ability of the body to use cannabinoids. Obviously, it takes much smaller doses. It’s probably all about absorption. All cannabinoids, be they raw or natural, are useful for the healing body. Just my opinion.

Even for the few patients who can obtain enough fresh, raw plant material, will they be willing to forego the euphoria associated with smoking, vaping, or consuming edibles? With so much medical benefit delivered by the plant when smoked or vaped, is juicing really practical or even recommended for the average patient (especially those who live in states where cannabis is illegal)? This imperative question may only be answered after scientists have more access to the plant for research. Perhaps it will depend on the specific medical condition being treated.

Instructions for Cannabis Juicing

Dr. Courtney recommends the following guidelines for obtaining and juicing raw cannabis.

Harvest leaves prior to the trichomes turning cloudy, or amber. Trichomes should be clear when leaves or buds are used for juicing.

This speeds up access and harvest windows. :yahoo:

Use a juicer or blender. A blender is preferred because it is easier to clean.

Store a single batch of raw cannabis juice, refrigerated, for up to three days.

Mix raw cannabis leaves with another vegetable to decrease the bitterness. Many patients who juice recommend a 10:1 ratio of carrots to cannabis.

Consume cannabis juice with each meal, roughly three times per day.

Use 15-20 large fan leaves in a blender for a typical batch (three servings, or one day).


This post was originally published on May 21, 2015, it was updated on October 5, 2017.

My interests are many.
* Why the 500-1000 mg of acid cannabinoids a day? How would one determine this, or are we looking at another instance of Rick Simpson syndrome - pick a high number and hope it hits across the board? I'm a little skeptical of this. Any thoughts?

* The fan leaves offer minimal cannabinoid content, and that's being generous, IMO. Their inclusion is a big part of what makes this hard to ingest. I say leave them out and concentrate on a couple good buds a day.

* Dr. Courtney recommends harvesting when trichomes are clear. I can't for the life of me figure out why. Anybody want to speculate? The plant puts on significant bud weight in the final two weeks, and the trichomes are almost always cloudy by then.

By harvesting that early I believe we not only sacrifice a significant amount of essential oil produced in the latest stage, but we miss out on a more diversified cannabinoid profile.

* He recommends fresh only. I believe this may have two purposes.
- Dried buds will lack the terpene richness fresh buds will have.
- Cured buds will contain some THC because decarb is a function of time and temperature.

I think drying low and slo can overcome the terpene loss concerns, so I personally wouldn't hesitate to use them in a smoothie. Any THC can only be a good thing, IMO. It shouldn't get so old in storage that THC content becomes a concern, and buds can be vacuum-sealed and frozen for longer storage.

I also think it's possible to vacuum and freeze fresh buds for later use. Can anyone think of a good reason this shouldn't work?

I think that's it guys. I have a show to usher, so I'll check back later to see if this generated any conversation.

The daughter's adding a bud about 2-3" long, and all attached leaves and fans, to her morning smoothie. We're working on making it tastier. Leaving the fans out will go a long, long way to achieving that goal.
 
Nice analysis SweetSue! I hope your daughter's symptoms dissipate quickly with the raw bud addition :). I wonder if un-decarbed FHO capsules would have similar results, if the idea is to be ingesting THCa. Would certainly be more palatable!

I like the way you think, and the daughter'll like that too. Cannabis has a taste that requires familiarity to tolerate. Sometimes she has a hard time with brownies. Lol! She has no problem with capsules.

Hadn't thought of undecarbed FHO, but once the water's boiled out that should work. :high-five:
 
I like the way you think, and the daughter'll like that too. Cannabis has a taste that requires familiarity to tolerate. Sometimes she has a hard time with brownies. Lol! She has no problem with capsules.

Hadn't thought of undecarbed FHO, but once the water's boiled out that should work. :high-five:
But with the amount needed of raw consumption she would need to take like 40 capsules a day. Or am I missing something?
 
But with the amount needed of raw consumption she would need to take like 40 capsules a day. Or am I missing something?

I can increase concentrations. I believe we can get a good value at triple-strength. I make my oil double-strength as a matter of course.

I’ll work some numbers up when I get home, see if this is doable.
 
With what they're saying half my garden would be gone in a week. Not good

I've taken a good, hard look at my own plants, and I believe each plant, on its own, might supply around two weeks, if we're conservative.

I calculated out the Jamaican for acid FHO, since it's the one she's using at the moment, and we're looking at around 97 mg/ml. That calculates out to about 770 mg a day at 8 capsules over four doses. Six would bring her into the 600 mg/day range. That might be acceptable with her regular capsule regimen, which is already 8 capsules a day, so maybe it's time to make that oil triple-strength too.

That might be doable. I'll talk it over with her and see what she thinks.

My only hesitation is the process is bound to decarb a certain amount of THCa and CBDa, which kinda defeats the purpose. I have no way to test what I'm making. I do my best to avoid being frustrated by that. Lol!

Dr. Courtney does Skype consultations, at a rate of $400 an hour. Not something I'm going to put the money out for. I think we can figure this one out on our own.
 
From Project CBD:

Clinical experience is the best place to start. Dr. Dustin Sulak and Dr. Bonni Goldstein have both reported on the use of THCA in the treatment of patients. In a recent publication, Sulak, Goldstein, and Dr. Russel Saneto describe four case reports of patients using THCA along with other treatments (conventional antiepileptic drugs as well as cannabis). Among these patients, small doses—around 0.1-1 mg/kg/day THCA1—were used, corresponding to 0.01 to 0.1% of the patient’s body weight in THCA. For a child weighing 50 pounds, this entails between 2-23 milligrams of THCA in a day.

By contrast, studies with Epidiolex, a pure (99.5 percent) CBD sublingual spray, start at a dose of 5 mg/kg/day and usually increase to 25 mg/kg/day. The aforementioned doses of THCA are 10-100 times lower.2

THCA is typically administered along with other components of cannabis in a tincture via an under-the-tongue dropper or spray. Sulak’s article indicates that higher doses of THCA did not generally improve the response, with one patient getting worse after increasing the dose of THCA. Sulak also found that specific terpenes along with THCA in a given cannabis strain can contribute significantly to the antiepileptic effect. (Linalool, in this case, was necessary for the antiepileptic effect.)

Dr. Goldstein told Project CBD that daily consumption of 10-20 mg of THCA was effective in reducing pain in some of her patients with arthritis and irritable bowel syndrome. For one patient with Alzheimer’s disease, THCA improved cognitive symptoms and allowed the patient to reduce the use of other drugs.

Dr. Sulak also spoke with Project CBD, saying that a higher dose of 2 mg/kg of THCA combined with THC is sometimes effective for seizures, pain, and arthritis. For neurological issues, about 1 mg of THCA and THC used 2-3 times a day has helped some of his adult patients. In one teenager, a very low dose of THCA prevented severe refractory migraines.

Anecdotal reports from other sources indicate that a 10:1 CBD:THCA ratio can be effective for some epileptic children when a high CBD/low THC cannabis oil preparation does not deliver satisfactory results. One seven-year-old patient, weighing 42 pounds, has been seizure free for the past two-and-a-half years since he’s been on a dosage regimen of 50 mg/day of CBD and 10 mg/day of THCA.

So it begs to question, why does Dr. Courtney suggest 500-1000 mg/day as the suggested dose?
 
In cannabis therapeutics age is more a determinant of a dose than weight, and children tolerate much higher doses of the natural cannabinoids. I don't know how that translates to the acid cannabinoids, but it appears they can be dosed lower than decarbed.
 
Maybe Dr. Courtney isn't as scientific in his analysis as you are, or his experiment is specific to his wife, maybe these numbers are just his "beliefs," or maybe he's just talking out of his ass! Only time (and your research) will tell :).

Citizen lab rats. We bear that title proudly, don't we? Lol!

The man's an authority on the subject, or so we've been led to believe. But clinical practice with THCa doesn't bear out his contentions, and I have problems with that. There's no difference, in my opinion, between the THCa from the freshly-harvested and juiced buds and the infused THCa oils.

So why the great disparity in doses? And why isn't Dr. Courtney seeing clinical results with his patients that mirror this? Of course, I have no idea what his clinical experience is. But this is a huge gap in dosing strategies, or am I looking at this wrong?
 
Well if we charged 4 bills an hour for a consul maybe we could afford all that cannabis per day.

I try not to begrudge anyone their earnings. I personally shy from any opportunity to make money on cannabis until we're free to grow. Not that I've entertained any. Lol!
 
Nothing in the inbox and no alerts lit up. I think that's a good time to go to bed. :battingeyelashes:
 
Nothing in the inbox and no alerts lit up. I think that's a good time to go to bed. :battingeyelashes:

Hey sue i jus had a question i have wrote dwn to make the bio bombs use 1 gram cco n add it to 4ml of carrier oil i used coconut oil n then after its melted n stirred 2gether add 1ml sunflower lecithin now my question is would i add 1 ml lecithin for every 1gram cco an 4 ml oil mixture? Like if i wanted 8 ml oil would i add 2 grams cco n 2 ml lecithin??
 
High SweetSue,

We've always used our gut feeling (intuition) and our own research when dosing ourselves. The principle of "what works for us". Having said, the gentleman's dosage protocol seems quite high. You have taught us "low and slow". I don't think I'd change a working method because of someone's recommendations. I would, however, keep his advice in my bonnet, as working up to an optimal dose, whatever that may be. You're doing great with what God gave you. Not time to doubt your wisdom yet, lol.
 
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