SweetSue's Cannabis Oil Study Hall

[Baya]

Hello,


Not sure if this is the most appropriate place for this question…

I’ve made several batches of olive oil extractions, and despite a meticulous straining step, with a permanent coffee filter, a layer of sediment gets deposited at the bottom of the vial, after the strained oil has been allowed to sit undisturbed for a while.

For this layer to be mixed again with the oil, the vial needs to be shaken really hard for a few seconds, and even then, part of these sediments won’t come loose easily.

In fact this sedimentary layer is quite compact and firmly attached to the bottom of the vial, so much so that I could simply get rid of it by gently pouring the oil into another container/vial.

However, prior to take such a drastic measure, I can’t help but wonder if discarding this sedimentary layer is a good idea in the first place ?! It may contain valuable cannabinoids…


Do you have any insight as to what these sediments might be ?

 

[SweetSue]

Hello,


Not sure if this is the most appropriate place for this question…

I’ve made several batches of olive oil extractions, and despite a meticulous straining step, with a permanent coffee filter, a layer of sediment gets deposited at the bottom of the vial, after the strained oil has been allowed to sit undisturbed for a while.

For this layer to be mixed again with the oil, the vial needs to be shaken really hard for a few seconds, and even then, part of these sediments won’t come loose easily.

In fact this sedimentary layer is quite compact and firmly attached to the bottom of the vial, so much so that I could simply get rid of it by gently pouring the oil into another container/vial.

However, prior to take such a drastic measure, I can’t help but wonder if discarding this sedimentary layer is a good idea in the first place ?! It may contain valuable cannabinoids…


Do you have any insight as to what these sediments might be ?

Hello Baya. How's it been?

I think it's simply fine-particulate plant matter, and probably does contain some cannabinoids, but if you're not happy with mixing it I don't see where leaving it behind would compromise the value of your oil all that much. The cannabinoids are holding hands with the oil molecules and being embraced by the liquid sunflower lecithin. The vast majority of the cannabinoids should be in the oil itself.

I get the same layer, and I simply mix as I fill my capsules, but I'm one of those that leaves no cannabinoid behind. Lol! It's food. I'd mix i in.

 

[sierrahiker]

Cannabis oil for knee replacement surgery? I have a friend having surgery tomorrow. She prefers to use cannabis to cover her pain as soon as possible. Tincture available to buy is 1:1 100 mg of THC and 100 mg CBD. One dropper is about 3 mg of each. I don't think this will cover her pain. Was considering making a tincture from RSO for her, probably with coconut oil. (I had trouble getting olive oil to mix well.) They have an RSO of only THC at a good price. This has about 500 mg TCH in 1 g. Then add CBD in isolate or edible or ?? Supplement with edibles? Suggestions?? Thanks in advance!

 

[SweetSue]

Cannabis oil for knee replacement surgery? I have a friend having surgery tomorrow. She prefers to use cannabis to cover her pain as soon as possible. Tincture available to buy is 1:1 100 mg of THC and 100 mg CBD. One dropper is about 3 mg of each. I don't think this will cover her pain. Was considering making a tincture from RSO for her, probably with coconut oil. (I had trouble getting olive oil to mix well.) They have an RSO of only THC at a good price. This has about 500 mg TCH in 1 g. Then add CBD in isolate or edible or ?? Supplement with edibles? Suggestions?? Thanks in advance!

We have a thread dedicated to that. Surgery Options: Cannabis instead of opiates

It’s suggested you give yourself a variety of dosing options. The 1:1 ratio is what’s suggested for chronic pain, but with surgery she’ll likely benefit from some higher THC for breakthrough and sleep.

For breakthrough you may not need more than 15-25 mg of THC with a base level being administered on a regular schedule.

No vaping as an option? This is the best way for breakthrough pain modulation. It’s hard to beat an immediate onset. Tinctures are mostly edibles, through the gut. People try, but most swallow the whole time they’re holding it in the mouth. A high THC flower for vaping will be a blessing post surgery.

 

[Baya]

Hello Baya. How's it been?

I think it's simply fine-particulate plant matter, and probably does contain some cannabinoids, but if you're not happy with mixing it I don't see where leaving it behind would compromise the value of your oil all that much. The cannabinoids are holding hands with the oil molecules and being embraced by the liquid sunflower lecithin. The vast majority of the cannabinoids should be in the oil itself.

I get the same layer, and I simply mix as I fill my capsules, but I'm one of those that leaves no cannabinoid behind. Lol! It's food. I'd mix i in.

Hello Sue,


Thank you very much for your insights.

My oils are plain olive oil and cannabinoids only, so far. They are mostly used as drops under the tongue, and topical.

If I’m not mistaken liquid sunflower lecithin is best used in canna caps and bio bombs ?

But can liquid sunflower lecithin be used when the oil is primarily taken as drops under the tongue (if well shaken before) ?


My wondering about the sediments, is because I have in mind to fill a glass roll-on bottle (small enough to be taken everywhere, to try and stave off migraine attacks) with cannabis infused oil.

The sediments, however small, might prevent the oil to smoothly flow through roll-on stainless-steel ball and the polypropylene neck incasing it… That was my primary concern.

I’ll give it a try, both with and without sediments and see how it goes.


It’s good to see how passionate and dedicated you are at what you do here at 420 Magazine.
Your work is very inspiring.

 

[SweetSue]

Hello Sue,


Thank you very much for your insights.

My oils are plain olive oil and cannabinoids only, so far. They are mostly used as drops under the tongue, and topical.

If I’m not mistaken liquid sunflower lecithin is best used in canna caps and bio bombs ?

But can liquid sunflower lecithin be used when the oil is primarily taken as drops under the tongue (if well shaken before) ?


My wondering about the sediments, is because I have in mind to fill a glass roll-on bottle (small enough to be taken everywhere, to try and stave off migraine attacks) with cannabis infused oil.

The sediments, however small, might prevent the oil to smoothly flow through roll-on stainless-steel ball and the polypropylene neck incasing it… That was my primary concern.

I’ll give it a try, both with and without sediments and see how it goes.


It’s good to see how passionate and dedicated you are at what you do here at 420 Magazine.
Your work is very inspiring.

Thank you Baya. They inspire me to keep going. Lol!

I strain mine through silkscreen silk, I believe it’s 125 tpi (threads per inch). When I want it really clean I run it through that as well as a coffee filter. After a couple passes I usually have most of the particulate matter removed, but I can see your point. I’ll keep that in mind when I try the same thing. I almost ordered some roller containers this month, but went with deodorant containers instead.

I’d do what you initially planned for that application and pour carefully to keep the fine particles back.

The lecithin will embrace the cannabinoids and help them absorb faster and be useful longer, to my understanding.

We’ve recently learned that sublingual isn’t performing the way we’ve been led to believe. It’s no more effective in the end than an oral administration. Learning that I’ve stopped recommending it as strongly. It makes more sense to me to micro dose through the gut or go with suppositories.

 

[InTheShed]

My wondering about the sediments, is because I have in mind to fill a glass roll-on bottle (small enough to be taken everywhere, to try and stave off migraine attacks) with cannabis infused oil.
The sediments, however small, might prevent the oil to smoothly flow through roll-on stainless-steel ball and the polypropylene neck incasing it… That was my primary concern.

I bought these for exactly that use and they don't clog. I strained my oil through cheesecloth only and it does have some sediment:

The only thing about these rollers is that it's better if you don't press down on the skin while rolling them. That restricts the amount of oil you dispense.

 

[Nixie]

We’ve recently learned that sublingual isn’t performing the way we’ve been led to believe. It’s no more effective in the end than an oral administration. Learning that I’ve stopped recommending it as strongly. It makes more sense to me to micro dose through the gut or go with suppositories.

That's a bit of a shock! Sue, how do we know this? And do we know why this is less effective than believed? I thought absorption was supposed to be significantly better with sublingual; so would this mean that the equivalent absorption at the other end using biobombs, or even tacking using CCO rather than extractions in oil etc. might also be compromised?

I don't have much to compare to, as I have only really taken CBD sublingually; I swallow my own concoctions as the taste of stewed olive oil is a bit too gruesome to have hanging around. (Walnut oil seemed better... but dearer).

Which leads into something I have been wondering. We know THC works because this is what has been produced and tried as an extension, almost, of the leisure use of cannabis - but what is the likelihood that the raw plant, juiced, say, with no decarb, will also tackle cancer? I know there is a well-documented case of a woman with a mass of other health problems (but not cancer) regaining her health by juicing raw leaves; but has there been any more study of this, as far as anyone knows?

 

[Nixie]

Have to confess that I am struggling with decarb, and tempted eventually to buy something that removes the need to actually think about it. But if decarbing became an optional extra it would be SO easy! After all, with such a generous herb it does seem odd that we have to torture it to get the goodness out, then undo it all with CBD and night-time dosing and suppositories to avoid being too high at the wrong time.

But basically I need to up my game in a number of ways; I am torn between amazed delight that I have got this far and annoyance at myself that I can't do better.

 

[Baya]

Thank you Baya. They inspire me to keep going. Lol!

I strain mine through silkscreen silk, I believe it’s 125 tpi (threads per inch). When I want it really clean I run it through that as well as a coffee filter. After a couple passes I usually have most of the particulate matter removed, but I can see your point. I’ll keep that in mind when I try the same thing. I almost ordered some roller containers this month, but went with deodorant containers instead.

I’d do what you initially planned for that application and pour carefully to keep the fine particles back.

The lecithin will embrace the cannabinoids and help them absorb faster and be useful longer, to my understanding.

We’ve recently learned that sublingual isn’t performing the way we’ve been led to believe. It’s no more effective in the end than an oral administration. Learning that I’ve stopped recommending it as strongly. It makes more sense to me to micro dose through the gut or go with suppositories.

Thank you Sue for all these information.

I’ll definitely try liquid sunflower lecithin in my next batch of infused cannabis oil, and fill caps with it.

I make small batches at a time using only 50ml of olive oil. Working from HashGirl’s recipe which calls for one table spoon of liquid sunflower lecithin (≈14.8ml) per 130ml of carrier oil, I figured that 5.7ml of L sunflower L should be the right amount for my 50ml olive oil base.


Just like Nixie said, more info as to why sublingual is not as effective as thought would be great, just out of curiosity.


I’ve found that on another website… just to give an idea of how tpi/lpi translate into micron.

The only thing about these rollers is that it's better if you don't press down on the skin while rolling them. That restricts the amount of oil you dispense.

I confirm that.
The rollers I have are identical to the one in the picture InTheShed posted.
It takes sometime to get use to it (not applying too much pressure, and when you apply it to the back of your neck, you obviously can't see how much has come out of the container...). I did not factor this in...

 

[Chew]

Evening all,

Sorry if this is a little of topic but I thought best ask in here...

Does anyone here own a Ardent Nova/lift decarber?

I’ve used mine this evening for the first time and I’m finding the buds at the top of the canister are nowhere near as dry and cooked looking as the ones lower down? I’m not packing the buds tight either. Can anyone offer any advice ? I have contacted Ardent but they aren’t the quickest to respond.

Edit: I guess it’s the small amount of moisture being released from the buds that’s collecting on the lid...

 

[SweetSue]

Evening all,

Sorry if this is a little of topic but I thought best ask in here...

Does anyone here own a Ardent Nova/lift decarber?

I’ve used mine this evening for the first time and I’m finding the buds at the top of the canister are nowhere near as dry and cooked looking as the ones lower down? I’m not packing the buds tight either. Can anyone offer any advice ? I have contacted Ardent but they aren’t the quickest to respond.

Edit: I guess it’s the small amount of moisture being released from the buds that’s collecting on the lid...

Holy grail

Chew, follow the link and ask them over at the Holy Grail thread. They've worked with the Nova.

 

[SweetSue]

I've misplaced my notes on the study that showed sublingual was only as effective as oral administration. I'll keep looking for it, and eventually it'll turn up.

Sublingual has the distinct advantage of getting rapid onset, as in inhalation, but the reality of the situation is that most patients swallow and it's as much oral as sublingual. In the end they have essentially the same medicinal outcomes, with the exception that you'll feel it faster with sublingual.

Sublingual also fades more quickly than oral, if done properly to assure minimal swallowing. So if a quick onset is what you're seeking, it's a good administrative pathway. One could argue that a well-structured regimen of micro-dosed oral meds would do essentially the same work without having to hold medicines under the tongue.

@Nixie, I believe Dr. Courtney's contentions that the way to use cannabis is as a food, consumed in raw form, are sound, and I encourage adding some form of consumption into the regimen. We don't yet understand the pathways to healing signalling used by the acid cannabinoids, but we're finding they deserve our respect.

 

[Amy Gardner]

We don't yet understand the pathways to healing signalling used by the acid cannabinoids, but we're finding they deserve our respect.

I’ve been dabbling with using raw leaves in food (and plan to juice a bit down the track too). I think it tastes wonderful in salad, sometimes giving the lovely peppery edge to the mix. And I know it’s not psychoactive whe it isn’t decarbed, but you know, I do think it make you feel kinda good - like that send of well-being people talk about. This is stronger if you add it to hot food at the end of cooking (so maybe some decarb starts to happen...)

I haven’t been in here for awhile, so have enjoyed catching up... just have to say...

Healing doesn't have to include getting high.

Ok sure it doesn’t have to... but can it? Please? Can it please include getting high!!

 

[SweetSue]

I’ve been dabbling with using raw leaves in food (and plan to juice a bit down the track too). I think it tastes wonderful in salad, sometimes giving the lovely peppery edge to the mix. And I know it’s not psychoactive whe it isn’t decarbed, but you know, I do think it make you feel kinda good - like that send of well-being people talk about. This is stronger if you add it to hot food at the end of cooking (so maybe some decarb starts to happen...)

I haven’t been in here for awhile, so have enjoyed catching up... just have to say...

Ok sure it doesn’t have to... but can it? Please? Can it please include getting high!!

You have my full permission to include a daily dose of unending euphoria to the regimen.

 

[SweetSue]

Posted a new thread you all might find interesting. I found the article last year and finally got it formatted.

Super-Cooled QWET Wash for Cannabis Extraction Using Dry Ice

I included the comments section from the blog because there was so much more information there I couldn't leave it behind.

We'll play with this for awhile, why not? Looks like great fun.

Damn! I miss Cajun at a time like this.

 

[KingstonRabbi]

Very cool!

But not as much fun as throwing the dry ice in the wash itself and watching it bubble (Double, double, toil and trouble, Fire burn and cauldron bubble...)

Good timing, too. I'm running low on CCO and need to process my back stock.

 

[SweetSue]

Very cool!

But not as much fun as throwing the dry ice in the wash itself and watching it bubble (Double, double, toil and trouble, Fire burn and cauldron bubble...)

Good timing, too. I'm running low on CCO and need to process my back stock.

Let us know how it goes KR. I'm not in a place yet to have enough to spare. My buds become infused oils, for the most part.

 

[Nixie]

Evening all,

Sorry if this is a little of topic but I thought best ask in here...

Does anyone here own a Ardent Nova/lift decarber?

I’ve used mine this evening for the first time and I’m finding the buds at the top of the canister are nowhere near as dry and cooked looking as the ones lower down? I’m not packing the buds tight either. Can anyone offer any advice ? I have contacted Ardent but they aren’t the quickest to respond.

Edit: I guess it’s the small amount of moisture being released from the buds that’s collecting on the lid...

How are you finding the decarber, Chew?

I am not too good at decarbing and seriously thinking of investing in one - or at least in something that would help me with the preparation process. I looked at the Canna butter machine as well, but can't find it for sale in the UK except through Amazon etc, (and there is a dire warning about lack of warranty etc. on their site.)

The Magic Butter people don't answer emails either, so not impressed.

 

[Chew]

How are you finding the decarber, Chew?

I am not too good at decarbing and seriously thinking of investing in one - or at least in something that would help me with the preparation process. I looked at the Canna butter machine as well, but can't find it for sale in the UK except through Amazon etc, (and there is a dire warning about lack of warranty etc. on their site.)

The Magic Butter people don't answer emails either, so not impressed.

I love it! It’s taken the hassle out of decarbing. Smell proof too. Just press the button and walk away. The only downside is the amount you can fit in per time. But it’s not a major problem.

I’ve received my MB2 machine a few weeks back. I’ve not used it yet but I purchased it from canna-butter.co.uk

If you order the Ardent, there’s a $30 dollar voucher. I think it was SAVE30