That's gotta be worth at least 2 cents! Thanks @KeifKeith and @SweetSue. I think I'm going to dilute the capsules to 1.25/1.25 mg/ml and try that for two weeks. Micro dosing seems like a good place to start.
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And a wonderful 2 cents it was Keith. 
We all learn this together, the way it used to be done.
I really appreciate the way we leave our egos out of it. And I’ve noticed we’re all touched by humility at being part of the relearning.
Guys...... I caught up on the last page, and if I didn’t feel special already - and believe me I did - I would now.
We all learn this together, the way it used to be done. I really appreciate the way we leave our egos out of it. And I’ve noticed we’re all touched by humility at being part of the relearning.
Guys...... I caught up on the last page, and if I didn’t feel special already - and believe me I did - I would now.
You are special, to all of us.....
This was actually a happy accident. I was planning on softening the plant material with the water so I could use the immersion blender on it but lost track of time and all water had boiled off. My gf got a very intense and long lasting high from a small amount of oil. Glad I didn't just toss the trim.
Sue, see my comment above about how effective this accidental method actually was. Having the terpenes stripped, would that simply make it not taste as good or could it have contributed to the little bit of anxiety she felt?
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The terpenes bring the fragrance, and to a certain extent, flavor, but most importantly they direct the effects of the cannabinoids, much the same way the steering column directs the engine. Take the terpenes out and the body doesn’t process the cannabinoids in the same way, so yes, I could see this happening.
I love happy accidents. Lol! The potency had to make you smile, because I imagine there was an “Oh shit!” moment in there.
Shed... dementia means.... a disease medicine knows so little,about. ...blah. It’s not even narrowly diagnosed to any specific thing at all. There fore. Let’s supposed. The old bear , your dad has rusty pipes. Everywhere.
If you want to,see your dad smile and maybe communicate, smoke some weed go to a strip club, then tell us, nothing changed.. till then .. idk what you are trying to achieve. Agitated during the day.. ok or bored to sleep. .. .try something fun.
Whatever medical science knows or doesn't know about dementia, I'm not living in some movie where the writers have decided a strip club would be a hilarious place to take someone who has it. Let's move on.
My bulls and the dancers appreciate it both.
The capsules have been diluted to .83mg each THC/CBD (opened the caps and diluted the oil with EVOO) and we'll stick with 2x a day for two weeks and see how it goes. Thanks for your help all!
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This is something we’ll drill into our heads.... not everyone has our tolerances.
Starting with small doses - so small as to seem ludicrous to us - is the safest route for everyone. It’s much easier to take more than to compensate for taking too much.
Shed, I never thought to ask, or I missed it , but what chemovar was used for this oil? If it’s high in myrcene the sleepiness may also be related to the terpene profile.
It's an 420 autoflower Blueberry, indica dominant. I went with that over the sativa dom because I thought sleepy would be the a better choice in case something like what happened happened. I only have two cultivars harvested at the moment and neither are close to a 50/50 mix.This is something we’ll drill into our heads.... not everyone has our tolerances.
Starting with small doses - so small as to seem ludicrous to us - is the safest route for everyone. It’s much easier to take more than to compensate for taking too much.
Shed, I never thought to ask, or I missed it , but what chemovar was used for this oil? If it’s high in myrcene the sleepiness may also be related to the terpene profile.
I suppose I can eventually use OldBear's blending spreadsheet and get fancy making my own if the Blueberry is too soporific.
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Alrighty Sue,
I think I'm posting this in the appropriate thread, but I do get lost in the crossover since you have so many!
I received all the supplies and made some pain cream exactly according to your instructions, the recipe you PM'd me. I tried it myself, and again, I can't say I felt any relief from my RA joints ... BUT ...
I made a double recipe (1 cup yield) and sent to my son that suffers with NF1 (thousands of tumors all over his body, they form at any nerve bundle root). He tried it Sunday morning on his spine and upper back (greatest pain areas) and within 15 minutes he was amazed. He shared that it was the most relief he has felt in years for his spinal pain. I made it with a Blue Dream plant that tested at 7.2% THC, 8.6 % CBD. He immediately called me and asked where I bought that cream (I put it into a container than looked half official)! He offered he has a couple of hundred dollars stashed to get more if I could please procure and send more. I laughed and told him the story of your recipe sharing and that I made it in the kitchen over a 12 hour period. He is so very stoked concerning the pain cream Sue, it really seems to provide more relief to his symptoms than anything he has tried. He is still taking daily CCO capsules. His pain is considerably tough to live with every day, he pushes through and never misses work or his kids events, but I see the struggle in his face. He's my boy and I know his expressions and body language, he cant hide it from me.
I think the new pain cream, in conjunction with the CCO capsules, are giving him a quality of life that was never achieved by the many years of Docs, Clinics and voluntary studies (he even participated in a thalidomide study, his own choosing). I'm probably moving much closer to him in the next few months, so hopefully I can keep better tabs on his progress and help him accordingly with medical cannabis ... oh yeah, the gateway drug to health and a better life!
Thank you Sue, you have helped us again, our love and thanks to your unending gifts.
Peace
Keith
I think I'm posting this in the appropriate thread, but I do get lost in the crossover since you have so many!
I received all the supplies and made some pain cream exactly according to your instructions, the recipe you PM'd me. I tried it myself, and again, I can't say I felt any relief from my RA joints ... BUT ...
I made a double recipe (1 cup yield) and sent to my son that suffers with NF1 (thousands of tumors all over his body, they form at any nerve bundle root). He tried it Sunday morning on his spine and upper back (greatest pain areas) and within 15 minutes he was amazed. He shared that it was the most relief he has felt in years for his spinal pain. I made it with a Blue Dream plant that tested at 7.2% THC, 8.6 % CBD. He immediately called me and asked where I bought that cream (I put it into a container than looked half official)! He offered he has a couple of hundred dollars stashed to get more if I could please procure and send more. I laughed and told him the story of your recipe sharing and that I made it in the kitchen over a 12 hour period. He is so very stoked concerning the pain cream Sue, it really seems to provide more relief to his symptoms than anything he has tried. He is still taking daily CCO capsules. His pain is considerably tough to live with every day, he pushes through and never misses work or his kids events, but I see the struggle in his face. He's my boy and I know his expressions and body language, he cant hide it from me.
I think the new pain cream, in conjunction with the CCO capsules, are giving him a quality of life that was never achieved by the many years of Docs, Clinics and voluntary studies (he even participated in a thalidomide study, his own choosing). I'm probably moving much closer to him in the next few months, so hopefully I can keep better tabs on his progress and help him accordingly with medical cannabis ... oh yeah, the gateway drug to health and a better life!
Thank you Sue, you have helped us again, our love and thanks to your unending gifts.
Peace
Keith
Congratulations on getting your son relief! That's a wonderful win for both of you. A few things come to mind besides the fact that you should cross-post this to the Magnus8 topicals thread for those who look there for topical oil info!
My first thought is that RA pain (or even OA pain), when not near the surface (knuckles, or my wife's OA big toe for example), are difficult to attack with a topical. Topical oils block the transmission of pain only in the nerve endings it can reach through the skin, and therefore something like hip or shoulder pain, buried under layers of muscle, will see little or no pain relief. The THC does not get into the bloodstream when rubbed into the skin (a good thing for those who get tested!). That's where the pain relief of internal THC (and CBD for the inflammation) comes into play: smoked, ingested, or used as a suppository. [I'm not familiar with the interaction of RA and THC from a healing standpoint but others here may have more info on that.]
Where we do see great relief, as your son has wonderfully discovered, is topicals applied to the base of the neck/top of the spine. That's where a large collection of unmyelinated nerve endings reside near the skin and close to the spinal cord, allowing the THC to block pain more effectively than when applied elsewhere to the skin. You might even want to try it in that area to see if it can block the pain signals heading to the brain from your RA.
It's always great to hear the positive feedback from people who are getting relief with topical oils. As SweetSue said, topical oil could easily be what gets the rest of the world to accept the positive powers of this plant!
[edit: Also, stronger is definitely better with the topicals. I feel that a minimum of 10mg/ml is necessary. I aim to get closer to 15mg/ml.]
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InTheShed Up the sativa content. And, reduce dosage by half; then see where you are.
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Keith, I missed this in the whirlwind. Gosh..... you know as a parent with my own child.....this means so much to me.
Tell him I couldn’t be happier that the universe dropped me here.
I tell ya, the topicals will make the difference. It’s topicals that’ll force the change. Keep sharing them.
I’m beginning to wonder about the oil I could make with cobbed buds. We’ll have to get some testing done.
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I wonder how strong mine is? I’ll have to dig my notes out.
I carry a tube in my pocket at all times. Been thinking of ordering some roller bottles and just using the oil, but this butter travels real well in my pocket.
I cut the dose to one third and stayed at twice a day. He's no longer sleeping all the time so that's progress! After a week I'll have them bump it to 3x day and see how that goes.
I'm concerned about the effects of a sativa on the demented brain.
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InTheShed,
You may find that you can up the dose 25% or so after a few weeks of tolerance. My patient" set is very limited, but one 80+ year old I am assisting for her husband (Alzheimer patient) apparently slept a lot the first few weeks after his initial dosing. Although his wife enjoyed the break from his wanderings and confusion, she didn't want him asleep all the time. Somewhere around four weeks or so after starting Blue Dream Oil, he stopped being so sleepy and became more alert and content. I hope the best for you treating your Dad, I would be doing exactly what you are trying to do if my Pops was still here and required help. Medical Cannabis ... we and our loved ones are the guinea pigs and lab rats, but overdose and toxicity isn't a real concern fortunately. I wouldn't feel comfortable giving my son anything that I thought would hurt or kill him. I'm kicking after 50+ years of use!
Peace
Keith
Thank you so much for that Keith! I'm doing what I hope anyone would do - if they could - for the people they love
. Having cut the capsule concentration to one third, I'm going to have them stick with 2x a day for the first week (no sleepiness currently) and then bump it to 3x/day. At that point he'd be back to the equivalent of 1 capsule of the original dose but spread throughout the day. Titration titration titration!
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Sounds like an excellent regimen. I’m glad to hear the dose reduction is going well
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