SweetSue's Cannabis Oil Study Hall

SweetSue said:
Thank you Chew. Take a deep breath and move on. It still shows promise, if CCO is what you're after, but it'd be nice if someone else got good results. I think medmanmike had success, but he's not fond of the bite it had. KR is still decarbing his, I believe.

I may try it in the future, when I have enough plant material not spoken for, but my current focus is on drying low and slow and fresh harvest infused oil.

Thank you for trying. I know how frustrating it was. :hugs: :Love:

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i have made ND Sap (using growgoddesses method) a few times. First, let me say that I am not the expert. I learned from growgoddesses and would recommend connecting with her for advice. I have decarbed the material first (oven, at 220-240°F for 60-90 minutes) and sometimes just run it without decarbing and I'm not sure I can tell the difference.

There are three things I don't like about it: 1) preparing it: making the effort to extract the solvent without using any heat. In my experience every batch is very different (maybe strain related?) as to how it comes out: sometimes there's a lot of water mixed in; removing the "dried" sap from the container is arduous and messy; often, there is so little sap produced that it doesn't seem worth it. 2) I personally don't like how it makes me feel: I would describe it as "hard" or "edgy". I feel drugged in a not so good way. It's not necessarily overly speedy and I really don't experience any paranoia, but the overall feeling is not pleasant. 3) having to wait 3-4 months for it to naturally Decarb (ND).

I've moved away from this method and instead use a mix of different methods. I do prefer a QWET extraction, but instead of letting it air dry I apply a little heat, just enough to see the solvent evaporating (vapors). I will generally use a double boiler or rice cooker to do the main reduction (using an oil bath, never over 220° F)and then move it to a coffee warmer to finish it, being very careful that it doesn't boil. Sometimes it will just bubble slightly so I wait for those to disappear.

I just finished a batch of Indica dom trim - sugar and fan leaves. These strains - blueberry, northern lights and whiet widow averaged over 20% total Cannabinoids. I'm assuming the trim/fans leaves were around 15%. As a test, I made up a cap with the oil that weighed 0.06g, (yes, 0.06) not including the weight of the cap. For me, it was too much. Hard, edgy, etc.

I much prefer the Bio-Bomb method that Sue pioneers and will use my QWET oil in the recipe. Much smoother, more mellow, more pleasant. Yesterday I took some coconut infused oil (BioBombs) I had made up from similar trim. This product at a 20:1 ratio didn't do anything for me so I took .6g of QWET oil that I had and mixed it in with the coconut infused oil/BioBomb and made up a .5g cap. Much smoother, though not very potent. Today I upped it .6g and obtained a nice, mild effect. Tomorrow I will fill a 00 cap (approx .9g) and see how that goes. (I know the quantities seem very similar, but it's purely coincidental.)

Again, I would defer to growgoddess as she has much more experience with ND Sap than I do. Hope this helps.
 
medmanmike said:
i have made ND Sap (using growgoddesses method) a few times. First, let me say that I am not the expert. I learned from growgoddesses and would recommend connecting with her for advice. I have decarbed the material first (oven, at 220-240°F for 60-90 minutes) and sometimes just run it without decarbing and I'm not sure I can tell the difference.

There are three things I don't like about it: 1) preparing it: making the effort to extract the solvent without using any heat. In my experience every batch is very different (maybe strain related?) as to how it comes out: sometimes there's a lot of water mixed in; removing the "dried" sap from the container is arduous and messy; often, there is so little sap produced that it doesn't seem worth it. 2) I personally don't like how it makes me feel: I would describe it as "hard" or "edgy". I feel drugged in a not so good way. It's not necessarily overly speedy and I really don't experience any paranoia, but the overall feeling is not pleasant. 3) having to wait 3-4 months for it to naturally Decarb (ND).

I've moved away from this method and instead use a mix of different methods. I do prefer a QWET extraction, but instead of letting it air dry I apply a little heat, just enough to see the solvent evaporating (vapors). I will generally use a double boiler or rice cooker to do the main reduction (using an oil bath, never over 220° F)and then move it to a coffee warmer to finish it, being very careful that it doesn't boil. Sometimes it will just bubble slightly so I wait for those to disappear.

I just finished a batch of Indica dom trim - sugar and fan leaves. These strains - blueberry, northern lights and whiet widow averaged over 20% total Cannabinoids. I'm assuming the trim/fans leaves were around 15%. As a test, I made up a cap with the oil that weighed 0.06g, (yes, 0.06) not including the weight of the cap. For me, it was too much. Hard, edgy, etc.

I much prefer the Bio-Bomb method that Sue pioneers and will use my QWET oil in the recipe. Much smoother, more mellow, more pleasant. Yesterday I took some coconut infused oil (BioBombs) I had made up from similar trim. This product at a 20:1 ratio didn't do anything for me so I took .6g of QWET oil that I had and mixed it in with the coconut infused oil/BioBomb and made up a .5g cap. Much smoother, though not very potent. Today I upped it .6g and obtained a nice, mild effect. Tomorrow I will fill a 00 cap (approx .9g) and see how that goes. (I know the quantities seem very similar, but it's purely coincidental.)

Again, I would defer to growgoddess as she has much more experience with ND Sap than I do. Hope this helps.
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That was very helpful Mike. We have a connection to GG through Facebook when the time comes for anyone to track her down.

Are you considering trying the fresh harvest infused oil Mike? I truly believe it rivals CCO. It took me a month to get to the point where the tolerance levels allowed me to get three 00 capsule doses a day in again. Today's the first time, in fact. I find this oil a cleaner high, almost as though it's communicating with my body better. It's really hard to describe, but it's become my preferred choice. Nothing else compares, to be honest.

The daughter and I believe some of her more dramatic healing indicators started after starting on the fresh harvest oil. I'm pretty committed to keeping a CBD Critical Cure going at all times, just to keep everyone supplied with the oil and capsules.
 
SweetSue said:
That was very helpful Mike. We have a connection to GG through Facebook when the time comes for anyone to track her down.

Are you considering trying the fresh harvest infused oil Mike? I truly believe it rivals CCO. It took me a month to get to the point where the tolerance levels allowed me to get three 00 capsule doses a day in again. Today's the first time, in fact. I find this oil a cleaner high, almost as though it's communicating with my body better. It's really hard to describe, but it's become my preferred choice. Nothing else compares, to be honest.

The daughter and I believe some of her more dramatic healing indicators started after starting on the fresh harvest oil. I'm pretty committed to keeping a CBD Critical Cure going at all times, just to keep everyone supplied with the oil and capsules.
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Yup. Fresh oil extract in about 4 weeks
 
medmanmike said:
Yup. Fresh oil extract in about 4 weeks��
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Good to hear Mike. I'm really looking forward to your feedback. The more experienced oil users are in the best position to judge the efficacy of this oil against other production methods.
 
Side note on fresh infused oil making. I buried the remains in a pile of soil like I do with remains from making CCO. Recycling the nutes back to the plants.

A few days ago my wife called me at work and send me a video of her wobbly Corgi. I thought she might have found one of my pills, but I've been very good about keeping track of them, not leaving them in my pockets, on the counter, etc. Other possibility was that she had eaten my dog's food that had a few drops of oil (because she's getting old and stiff and I wanted to see if it would help.) That wouldn't have been enough to affect my wife's dog that much though. But I convinced my wife that her dog would be fine and just sleep it off, and she did for most of 24 hours in and out. She naps a lot of the day anyway.

Last night I discovered what really happened. As I was taking the remains of a new batch out I saw a hole in dirt pile where somebody dug out the good stuff. I've noticed the fresh oil leftovers smell a lot better than CCO leftovers. Apparently dogs think so too.

Happy ending, the corgi is fine (if anything she's even bouncier today), the carpet is fine (that much green matter has some nasty consequences on a dog's digestive tract) and now that it's cleaned up my marriage is fine.
 
KingstonRabbi said:
Side note on fresh infused oil making. I buried the remains in a pile of soil like I do with remains from making CCO. Recycling the nutes back to the plants.

A few days ago my wife called me at work and send me a video of her wobbly Corgi. I thought she might have found one of my pills, but I've been very good about keeping track of them, not leaving them in my pockets, on the counter, etc. Other possibility was that she had eaten my dog's food that had a few drops of oil (because she's getting old and stiff and I wanted to see if it would help.) That wouldn't have been enough to affect my wife's dog that much though. But I convinced my wife that her dog would be fine and just sleep it off, and she did for most of 24 hours in and out. She naps a lot of the day anyway.

Last night I discovered what really happened. As I was taking the remains of a new batch out I saw a hole in dirt pile where somebody dug out the good stuff. I've noticed the fresh oil leftovers smell a lot better than CCO leftovers. Apparently dogs think so too.

Happy ending, the corgi is fine (if anything she's even bouncier today), the carpet is fine (that much green matter has some nasty consequences on a dog's digestive tract) and now that it's cleaned up my marriage is fine.
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:laughtwo: Please share this on the harvest oil thread KR. Lol! An interesting side use of the process we hadn't considered. Lol! The wastings smell absolutely divine after making this oil, don't they?
 
Bahahaha KingstonRabbi! It reminds me of one time when my big dog got into the trash just to get some butter leaf. He was down for the count for two days of slobbering wobblyness. I felt so bad I took off work and sat with him and cleaned him up when he made a mess.

It was many years till now(he has long passed sadly). I haven't made butter since that time or any edibles till this year.

It is my desire to be healthy and for my lady to be healthy that changed all that. And I have to say, I now like the taste of the coconut oil and fresh harvest oil I make. It's delicious. I used to despise the flavor of cannabis butter. It would make me gag. And I am glad I never gave away the magical butter machine lol. It's a life saver.

In fact I am using the coconut oil to help relieve my big boy dogs allergies. I give him 2ml per meal(he's over a 100 lbs). I used to feed him the caps because he takes pills easily, but he likes it much better just put on his food.

That and the flaxseed I also feed him are starting to make a difference. He is feeling much more peppy and his allergies aren't as bad as they were before.

I have been taking caps every day for the past several weeks. It's a different kind of buzz and something to get used to. But the fresh harvest oil is much easier to use during the day, I made it from Bluniverse which is a cross of blue magoo x miss universe. Miss universe is a full on Kali mist derived sativa that makes the caps have a nice motivational quality. The speediness keeps me clear headed and motivated. At night I take the coconut oil caps that help me into more of a chill state. Gonna take the rest of the Bluniverse plant and make some fresh oil. Will mix in some megafauna (super silver haze x Kali Snapple) which should be speedy as well.

But coffee? I will have a cup of coffee every morning till the day I die. So hopefully many cups left!!
 
The heated hair straightener is a neat one-step technique for extracting rosin from dried buds. Can this rosin be turned into a fluid that can substitute for CCO and be packaged in capsules for medicating? I'm wondering will fresh rosin dissolve in warm olive oil?

There will be waxes and inevitable plant matter in the product, but of no consequence when filling capsules.

Thanks. :blushsmile:
 
VerdantSpires said:
The heated hair straightener is a neat one-step technique for extracting rosin from dried buds. Can this rosin be turned into a fluid that can substitute for CCO and be packaged in capsules for medicating? I'm wondering will fresh rosin dissolve in warm olive oil?

There will be waxes and inevitable plant matter in the product, but of no consequence when filling capsules.

Thanks. :blushsmile:
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That rosin is, in effect, CCO, and yes, it can be converted back into a more liquid form to enable its processing into dosed medication.

Shiggity, I'm going to share your post on the fresh harvest oil thread. :hugs: :Love: It does take some getting used to, doesn't it? :laughtwo: It's quickly become my favorite, and I can't wait to try with Carnival, now that I have a better sense of what I'm doing. I have a strong suspicion that its the balance of cannabinoids in the CBD Critical Cure that's giving me the sweet ride. I need to explore a CBD sativa.
 
We have enough members in the hall that wash buds, so this is the perfect place to begin a discussion. A repost from my grow journal.

SweetSue said:
An intelligent rebuttal to budwashing

I was enjoying Pigeon's wake 'n bake video and he started discussing a response to this his budwashing video posted the other day. It intrigued me enough that I wanted to bring the conversation here. If what he says is true, we need to rethink our practice.

"While I like the idea of this a lot especially for flavor and purity, as an actual scientist I simply can't let it slip! Let me explain people...

I'd simply just use a mild hydrogen peroxide water mix. It's just as natural and actually does what you want, is extremely effective at killing microbes, and naturally foams when it reacts with such helping to clear debris...this happens on a chemical level basically meaning every spot it touches is near instantly sanitized and microscopic debris lifts up with the bubbles. If this reaction is strong enough you see lots of bubbles, hence why your cuts foam.

The lemon juice as an antiseptic is not accurate. If anything the sulfur dioxide (sulfite) in the plastic bottle lemon juice is doing the sanitation. It's the same stuff erupted from volcanoes, burned off of petroleum, and is known as a mild nerve agent which blocks signals to the pulmonary system. I don't make this up look for yourself. If you're going for natural you need to stop using that. They are preservatives and fungicides, also likely why you don't mold when you do this , and why they dry faster. The sulfite so cause faster drying. You will not wash it all off, it's as simple as that. Actual lemon juice has an extremely mild effect on preventing further growth of bacteria due to its ascidic nature but will not kill anything directly unless extreme pH fluctuations (fluctuations being key) cause death but you would need much more concentrated solutions with 5 gallons of water. That being said, you're neutralizing the acid with the alkaline baking soda (sodium bicarbonate). Thus you are not sanitizing anything and the only effect you have left is the supposed "foaming" action. But the 1 cup of baking soda to 5 gallons of water doesn't come close to saturating the water. This means you have a full dilution and no granular to "blast" the dirt off. Unless you shake it like a mad man you will not create enough friction between the suspended particles and the water which means it won't bubble or foam enough to do anything widespread across all surface areas. Most of those bubbles are localized air bubbles you've introduced by bobbing the bud up and down. This is not an effective way to get dust and microbes off-maybe for large debris like bugs and dirt chunks. You'd really have to shake it and it won't work well, especially not that gentle caress you're giving it!

With that said, if you think it does all that then I won't stop ya! Right on brother!" - ACElectro Alex

I don't know about you, but it made me sit right up and rethink the process.

Peroxide is suggested for the first wash if mold is present. Could this be all we need, followed by the two plain water washes, and would the dilution suggested by Doc be effective? We have some scientists among us. :cheesygrinsmiley: Any ideas on this?
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I'm going back to finish watching the wake 'n bake with Pigeons. I'll catch up later. :ciao:
 
So I don't forget it:

Waxes block the uptake of the cannabinoids. I did not realize this until right now.

Good grief, I love technology. :yahoo: I can sit cross-legged in the air-conditioned comfort of my home on this blisteringly hot Sunday afternoon and watch my class on Treating Cancer With Cannabis learning something I missed in all this time. :laughtwo: You'd think I'd have caught this one earlier. Lol!

Ok, almost done. Back to clean up. :ciao:

............ Before I forget, to those of you lucky enough to be someone's Dad, with a Capitol "D"

Happy Father's Day​

I hope you get oodles of hugs today. You certainly deserve it. :battingeyelashes: :Love:

:hugs: :hugs: :hugs: :hugs: :hugs:
 
The daughter stopped to get the last of the Candy Cane for vaping and shared that regardless of her regimen she's feeling anxious today. Now she's thinking of how bad this would be if she wasn't on a regular schedule of cannabinoids. But what to do about this breakthrough anxiety?

So far she'd had two doses of two capsules of CBD Critical Cure fresh harvest oil and a couple bites of her Carnival brownie, and still the slight anxious edge. She has Med GOM for morning vaping, but she hesitates to break into that limited stash, and the Candy Cane has been her sleep meds.

Hmmmm.....we're gonna run out of that. Crap! I gotta get better at this scheduling thing.

Anyway, I suddenly got the urge to have her try the CBD Critical Cure dried lo and slow. I'd been mixing it with Dark Devil Auto all day and was enjoying the synergistic effects. The terpene expression is stronger in this lo and slow material, so maybe it'd work inhaled where it wasn't getting the job completely done through the gut. I figured we had nothing to lose. Grabbed a bud, ground it up for her and sent her home with a small container to play with.

She just messaged me that it did the trick. *contended sigh*
 
I'm still waiting for the young man to bring me some canna meds! I know he works long outside hours this time of year, but I'm getting really impatient to try some good stuff! Hopefully his boss will come by today needing some eggs, and I'll get to stir him up a bit - his boss's wife uses for her pain and agreed to let me have some. But, I want it NOW!

I went for a heart stress test last week ( not fun, even though it was the nuclear type, not the treadmill). Primary care Dr called and wants me to see a cardiologist - wouldn't give me a concise report, so I'm not sure what it showed, have to wait for the other Dr. I guess. I decreased the prednisone to 7.5 mg this week, (started at 15 mg - for 5 months) so far don't see any reduction in the shortness of breath, nor any weight loss. Sure want to be off it!
 
Ms Stank said:
Subbed. I am a new member and have a strong interest in learning all I can about cannabis oil. I look forward to reading this thread from page 1. Thank you!
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Welcome to cannabis brainstorming central Ms Stank. It's always good to bring in fresh minds. Remember as you read that things change in a brainstorming environment. Always confirm in real time.

That's a lot of reading. :cheesygrinsmiley: Some reinforcing hugs. :hugs::hugs::hugs:
 
Cowbelle said:
I'm still waiting for the young man to bring me some canna meds! I know he works long outside hours this time of year, but I'm getting really impatient to try some good stuff! Hopefully his boss will come by today needing some eggs, and I'll get to stir him up a bit - his boss's wife uses for her pain and agreed to let me have some. But, I want it NOW!

I went for a heart stress test last week ( not fun, even though it was the nuclear type, not the treadmill). Primary care Dr called and wants me to see a cardiologist - wouldn't give me a concise report, so I'm not sure what it showed, have to wait for the other Dr. I guess. I decreased the prednisone to 7.5 mg this week, (started at 15 mg - for 5 months) so far don't see any reduction in the shortness of breath, nor any weight loss. Sure want to be off it!
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There are stages in the healing process that just suck, right? Starting a promising regimen with the expectation of relief, but with a delay can be maddening. That call from the doc certainly didn't do much to create more peacefulness either. It'll get better.

:hugs::hugs::hugs:
 
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