SweetSue's Cannabis Oil Study Hall

[SweetSue]

No email from you yet, but don't dispair, I won't decide you're a lost cause.

In the upper left corner of every page you have a tab for User CP. Choose "Settings." On the left hand side of this page scroll down to "My Account". On this new page there's a choice to allow private messages either from only moderators or from all members. This is where you want to make your change. Choose "all members".

Hopefully that'll work and you'll be able to recieve PMs.

On your profile page there's a tab for Visitor Messages. That should be where the message I left you is hiding. If we have difficulty I'll simply post my email address here long enough for you to find it and then take it down by editing it out. I have no problem with having to do that, if that's all we have available.

I never give up.

 

[Kicknitup1]

"My Account". On this new page there's a choice to allow private messages either from only moderators or from all members. This is where you want to make your change. Choose "all members". " -------

I have this set on accept visitor msgs...dont see the thing about all or just mods. That can't be the place. Thought it would be under general settings.....

 

[VerdantSpires]

I asked about the rosin produced by the hair straightener extraction process.

That rosin is, in effect, CCO, and yes, it can be converted back into a more liquid form to enable its processing into dosed medication.

Is it expected it will readily disolve in warm olive oil?

Youtube videos vary in the length of time that the bud gets heated with the hair straightener, some showing just until the sizzling is heard to stop. This would be just until the moisture is boiled off, so should be good for preserving terpenes.

I'm wondering, though, to what extent such a brief period heating would decarb the rosin? Maybe it is a way to extract basically raw oil, for producing extracts of THC-A and CBD-A. Would an additional 6 seconds of heating be likely to achieve much decarbing?

Thanks.

 

[SweetSue]

I asked about the rosin produced by the hair straightener extraction process.


Is it expected it will readily disolve in warm olive oil?

Youtube videos vary in the length of time that the bud gets heated with the hair straightener, some showing just until the sizzling is heard to stop. This would be just until the moisture is boiled off, so should be good for preserving terpenes.

I'm wondering, though, to what extent such a brief period heating would decarb the rosin? Maybe it is a way to extract basically raw oil, for producing extracts of THC-A and CBD-A. Would an additional 6 seconds of heating be likely to achieve much decarbing?

Thanks.

You know, I'm thinking that as high as they get off their results there must be a fair amount of decarbing going on. You won't get anywhere near a full extraction with a hair straightener. A press is a better idea, if you have the resources.

The people to ask about this are keeping an eye on Shiggity's concentrates thread. I'd recommend you seek them out and present these questions to their experienced eyes. Rosin Press - Information Thread

You'll probably get better absorbtion into the olive oil if you first melt it down with a drop or two of alcohol.

Please, feel free to share your eventual successful results with us.

 

[Kicknitup1]

I asked about the rosin produced by the hair straightener extraction process.


Is it expected it will readily disolve in warm olive oil?

Youtube videos vary in the length of time that the bud gets heated with the hair straightener, some showing just until the sizzling is heard to stop. This would be just until the moisture is boiled off, so should be good for preserving terpenes.

I'm wondering, though, to what extent such a brief period heating would decarb the rosin? Maybe it is a way to extract basically raw oil, for producing extracts of THC-A and CBD-A. Would an additional 6 seconds of heating be likely to achieve much decarbing?

Thanks.

I have no problem just stirring CCO into 150 (f) coconut oil. When u dont see any more brown in the bottom, it's dissolved. Decarbing via hair straightner...surely it's not much @ maybe 200f for 30 seconds or so. I haven't seen anyone doing it for "minutes". If so, then yes, SOME decarb. Also, You know that device did not get it all (thc)...so I would save the bud and mix it in with fresh or just more half spent & make cannabutter out of it. Then you should not be wasting much. Make sense?

 

[Kicknitup1]

I asked about the rosin produced by the hair straightener extraction process.


Is it expected it will readily disolve in warm olive oil?

Youtube videos vary in the length of time that the bud gets heated with the hair straightener, some showing just until the sizzling is heard to stop. This would be just until the moisture is boiled off, so should be good for preserving terpenes.

I'm wondering, though, to what extent such a brief period heating would decarb the rosin? Maybe it is a way to extract basically raw oil, for producing extracts of THC-A and CBD-A. Would an additional 6 seconds of heating be likely to achieve much decarbing?

Thanks.

I have no problem just stirring CCO into 150 (f) coconut oil. When u dont see any more brown in the bottom, it's dissolved. Decarbing via hair straightner...surely it's not much @ maybe 200f for 30 seconds or so. I haven't seen anyone doing it for "minutes". If so, then yes, SOME decarb. Also, You know that device did not get it all (thc)...so I would save the bud and mix it in with fresh or just more half spent & make cannabutter out of it. Then you should not be wasting much. Make sense?

 

[Kicknitup1]

Qualifying my answer....I said CCO, I meant BHO. But I don't see where the cleaner extract of live resin would act differently. If that is not correct for some reason, somebody please chime in & tell me why, for my own knowledge. Cause playing with pressing may or may not be my next project.

 

[Kicknitup1]

Shoot an infrared thermometer at the curling iron surface AND at material inside when you open it up as quickly as possible. See where you are at with temp. No measurement....no light.

 

[Kicknitup1]

SweetSue, In case you didn't see it, I decided it was more reasonable not to post MY email assuming there could be some risk. You are just too popular. lol

 

[Kicknitup1]

I know this is getting old & off topic...but it may help someone else floundering around with settings. I finally found the PM setting on a quick navigation setting over to the right and got the following msg: Kicknitup1, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:

Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?
If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation.

 

[VerdantSpires]

The people to ask about this are keeping an eye on Shiggity's concentrates thread. I'd recommend you seek them out and present these questions to their experienced eyes. Rosin Press - Information Thread

That leads into more areas of these forums that I have yet to explore, the grower section. Thanks for the lead.

Please, feel free to share your eventual successful results with us.

You'll be the first to hear!

 

[SweetSue]

I know this is getting old & off topic...but it may help someone else floundering around with settings. I finally found the PM setting on a "quick navigation" setting over on the right and got the following msg: Kicknitup1, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:

Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?
If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation.

I'm sorry you're having such a difficult time. Contact one of the mods to work this out for you. I like calling on Teddy Edwards myself, but any of them can help you.

Incidentally, nothing is off topic in this room.

 

[SweetSue]

SweetSue, In case you didn't see it, I decided it was more reasonable to post MY email assuming there could be some risk. Shoot me an email & I will answer. . You are just too popular. lol

Haha! Too popular huh? What a sweet thought. Lol! I've sent you an email. I've also asked them to remove your address from the post.

 

[SweetSue]

I have no problem just stirring CCO into 150 (f) coconut oil. When u dont see any more brown in the bottom, it's dissolved. Decarbing via hair straightner...surely it's not much @ maybe 200f for 30 seconds or so. I haven't seen anyone doing it for "minutes". If so, then yes, SOME decarb. Also, You know that device did not get it all (thc)...so I would save the bud and mix it in with fresh or just more half spent & make cannabutter out of it. Then you should not be wasting much. Make sense?

Decarbing isn't necessary because they combust. That fact slipped my mind earlier. Lol! What a blonde moment. Thinking about it, if I were using rosin I'd dissolve it into enough alcohol to get it liquid, evaporate the alcohol to get just oil and decarb with an oil bath. That way I'd be certain it decarbed.

My hair straightener went to almost 400 degrees. They come much more powerful than 200 degrees now. That may be in response to the auxiliary use of them that sprang up with Rosin Tech.

I've never tried dissolving rosin in olive oil, but it'd be worth a try. If it would, that's a better choice in my world where I use my oils primarily in capsules.

 

[Lady Dory]

Registered! Better late than never.
Dory

For those of you that followed The Sacred Plant documentary they're starting a seven week run of free webinars beginning tommorow and running until mid August. Here's a link to the registration page. Given the stature of the people involved in this project I'd advise registering.

The Sacred Plant Webinar

 

[SweetSue]

In case anyone is interested, Green Flower Media is offering a streaming class this evening at 5 PM PST, 8 PM EST on cannabis and glaucoma.

 

[Canyon]

......I've never tried dissolving rosin in olive oil, but it'd be worth a try. If it would, that's a better choice in my world where I use my oils primarily in capsules.

Hi Sue,
One of my first capsule projects I made with commercial BHO or Rosin. Somewhere, back in one of your threads, there is a post of what I did. I had no trouble mixing it in coconut oil. It dissolves and mixes rather well when heated. I just added the rosin and lecithin to the oil and decarbed it with occasional stirring.

I never know

 

[medmanmike]

Sue, came across this and thought you (and others) might be interested.

The entire article is interesting, but thought the passage I copied addresses many of the things we're discussing here. Also, check out the custom designed vape pens for what ever ails you.

The Bespoke High is the Future of Marijuana - The Atlantic Magazine

"“THC activates a system in our own bodies called the endocannabinoid system,” says Igor Grant, the director of The University of California Center for Medicinal Cannabis Research (CMCR) and the chair of the department of psychiatry at the University of California San Diego. The CMCR studies the effects of cannabis on HIV Neuropathic pain and how it impairs your driving skills. “[They’re] signaling molecules that have to do with functions as basic as appetite control, inflammation, coordination, memory and other cognitive functions. The effect of THC is to affect these circuitries in the brain. CBD does not appear to have direct psychoactive effects. It doesn’t cause changes in cognitive function or emotions. Or neurologic coordination issues.” (Emphasis mine).

Typical marijuana flower has a THC to CBD ratio of 20 or 40:1. Hmbldt’s Calm has THC to CBD ratio of 10:1. Relief is 2:1. With Calm I don’t experience paranoia—that running commentary of how high I think people think I am. I can even write on it which makes it singular to any marijuana I’ve ever sampled.

There’s a new formulation that hasn’t hit the market called Focus with a CBD to THC ratio of 4:1. It will be blended with cannabinoids that narrow your attention span to the task in front of you without compromising your creative process.

Samantha Miller the chief science officer at hmbldt says there’s a spectrum of response to cannabis but she blends to cover the bases. For one in four people, CBD is an upper for the rest of us it isn’t. “I’m trying to effect a balance between who’s going to go one way and who’s going to go another and how to help bring some of that 25 percent over,” she tells me.


She also adds cannabinoid profiles that drives towards the myriad issues associated with each ailment. “There’s a lot of different issues with sleep—going to sleep and staying asleep,” she says. “Those root causes could be anxiety, pain, restless leg syndrome—there’s all of these sleep disrupters. The THC and terpene profiles shut off the frontal cortex get you into that mode where you can be sedated and CBD inhibits the enzyme in our liver that breaks down THC so that extends the benefit while you sleep.”

One puff of the Relief feels like taking off your outside pants after a long day at work.

When Miller talks about terpenes, she means the essential oils that give fruit and plants their smell and flavor, likeLimonene in citrus peel or Myrcene in mangoes. Paired with cannabinoids they do all sorts of other things.

Before hmbldt, Miller pioneered cannabis testing with her lab Pure Analytics. The majority of CBDs strains available domestically had their start in her lab, from two to over 80 in the span of a year. She’s personally tested tens of thousands of strains. She’s also sampled thousands of types of cannabis. Hmbldt formulations have been tested by over 750 consumers, with three to seven iterations for each “destination” or effect. And while Miller manipulates CBD and THC ratios and percentages and Terpene profiles, akin to twirling dials on a sound mixing board, the oil inside the pens are blends from strains grown in Humboldt county. “In Sleep you have fuel strains like OG Kush and Sour D and Bliss is three different Jack Herer strains that I blended,” says Miller. All the formulations reflect what she calls “the terroir” of hmbldt. “In Relief one of the Terpene profiles is from a strain called Silly Strawberry that was developed by Sunshine Johnson,” she says. “Her family owns the regional radio station.”

The Bespoke High Is the Future of Marijuana - The Atlantic

 

[medmanmike]

And, another one....

This came from ardentcannabis.com. to me via email so I had to copy/paste. Are you familiar with the NOVA Decarboxylator? Looks like a great product.

CBG Conversion

There is a lot of interest in CBGa and for good reason. It reminds me of a stem cell, as it has it has the ability to convert into several different cannabinoids. CBGa is the building block for THC, CBD and CBC. In our starting control sample of Juicy Fruit, there is some CBCa, ready and waiting to become something amazing. Let's see how it turned out:

Patient #1 — CBGa in the control converts to CBD and CBC.

Patient #2 — CBGa in the control converts to CBD and CBC

We think its fun and educational to explore the different aspects of cannabis science. Let us know what you would like us to discuss next!

 

[SweetSue]

And, another one....

This came from ardentcannabis.com. to me via email so I had to copy/paste. Are you familiar with the NOVA Decarboxylator? Looks like a great product.

CBG Conversion

There is a lot of interest in CBGa and for good reason. It reminds me of a stem cell, as it has it has the ability to convert into several different cannabinoids. CBGa is the building block for THC, CBD and CBC. In our starting control sample of Juicy Fruit, there is some CBCa, ready and waiting to become something amazing. Let’s see how it turned out:

Patient #1 – CBGa in the control converts to CBD and CBC.

Patient #2 – CBGa in the control converts to CBD and CBC

We think its fun and educational to explore the different aspects of cannabis science. Let us know what you would like us to discuss next!

Thank you Mike. Excellent reading. I was planning on the Nova, but then I remembered that neikodog proved in his tests that decarbing in the oven at 110 C for 110 min. decarbed up to 97% of the THC. I'd have to believe CBD had the same type of conversion, although it'd be slightly lower. I can't think of a good reason to spend my money on another piece of equipment when I'm already getting good results.

It's a wonderful machine though, and for pure convienence and efficiency I'll likely eventually make the investment. Have you seen the tabletop infusers that look like a coffeemaker? Now that's sweet! All these wonderful toys.

What I most appreciate about making FHO in the traditional method, using an oil bath, is the way I can monitor the decarb. I'm pretty sure I'm hitting close to 100% conversion of everything.