SweetSue's Cannabis Oil Study Hall

Thanks Sue. I've already read a part of your last post about the CHS. I am pretty curious about it, I've not read it all yet so I don't know if it was already there yes or no, but if Cannabis caused it, to me it is like a overdose of medicine. But ofcourse Cannabis is fully natural so the recovery of CHS should be pretty fast if you step back from Cannabis for a while. So will CHS be a serious problem? The sympthomes are not that bad but pretty annoying and the recovery is pretty fast, so that's something i'm curious about. Then again I've by far not read everything so maybe the answer is already in it and I've just not read it yet.

By the way I will probably also going to make Cannabis oil, just need to know what I need for it and how I make it. Here in the Netherlands they do sell complete sets for under a 100 euro's including a manual on making cannabis oil which is interesting.

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When you get to oil making we have any number of resources you can pull on. How wonderful that the Dutch support the process of making this valuable medicinal herbal medication. May we gain from their insight and courage.

By now you've read further and found the answers to the questions you posed. Our concern with an herbal holiday is that a cancer patient can't simply walk away from a protocol. It becomes necessary to find ways to tweak the doses or try another administration method.

We're not certain the condition presented in the article is a real one.
 
When you get to oil making we have any number of resources you can pull on. How wonderful that the Dutch support the process of making this valuable medicinal herbal medication. May we gain from their insight and courage.

By now you've read further and found the answers to the questions you posed. Our concern with an herbal holiday is that a cancer patient can't simply walk away from a protocol. It becomes necessary to find ways to tweak the doses or try another administration method.

We're not certain the condition presented in the article is a real one.
I think we just have to wait that out for further researches because it is fairly new.

And here in the Netherlands it is allowed for shops to sell stuff to make Cannabis oil and I do think you're allowed to make it but I'm just going to do it because if I can't sell it to a pharmacy, doctor or maybe a hospital, family or friends who need it, then I also can throw it in the truck of my Lieutenant

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:laughtwo: That got a laugh rikvasen. Lol!
 
Thanks for the answer!!!

I will take some time and study this article.

Here are answers to your questions:

- How long has the vomiting been going on? Since he started with three capsules per day

- How severe is the vomiting? Has it increased, leveled off? Showing any signs of beginning to decrease? It is always the same, after he wakes up in the morning he doesn´t feel well and if he eats it happens that he throws up.

- How much correlation to the most recent dose increase and the onset of the vomiting? As far as I know from my mum he hast this problem after we increased the dose. First he started with capsules (BioBomb) each 10 mg CCO...after he reached 4x2 capsules with 10 mg CCO we started with capsules 65 mg CCO each...first one in the morning and second one in the evening...and after he started with three capsules of BioBomb per day he has this problem, since two days he is taking 4 capsules a day and the nausea s the same... this condition is already going on since ten days

- What chance is there that the vomiting is being triggered by chemo drugs? Maybe I don´t know
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Any recent changes in pharma meds? No

- Where did you get the oil you're using? From a friend, and the oil should be ok.
* My very first thought with gastric disturbances is to suspect chemicals in the meds you weren't expecting. A compromised immune system is further strained by even small quantities of solvents left behind.

- What food is in his stomach when he gets that final dose of the day? Have you considered a small snack if he wakes in the night to get something in the gut? I think his stomach is empty...because he doesn´t eat when he take the capsule late in the night


sorry for my English, it´s not my mother language...but I hope it is understanable what I wrote.
 
I read the article but I think this is not the case with my father...he takes Cannabis oil since 5 weeks, and from this 5 weeks 10 day higher dose...

But somehow I have a fear...and I don´t want to make the things worse more than the are...but until now I didn´t read anywhere that Cannabis oil cased some damage...
 
I know there are important discussions going on here - don't want to distract from that too much.

I just wanted to ask -

Is it a good sign that I naturally WANT to increase my CBD oil? I started so low that I knew I wanted to go higher, but I assumed that it would be me intentionally increasing it. It was feeling really good.

As it stands, I already started taking the oil every 3 hours, instead of twice a day. Now I want to take more each time. It's good. I needed to increase.

But does anyone know what this is, since it's not typical tolerance build up like with other drugs? A good sign? A nothing sign? :)

I'm curious about the biological happenings here!
 
I read the article but I think this is not the case with my father...he takes Cannabis oil since 5 weeks, and from this 5 weeks 10 day higher dose...

But somehow I have a fear...and I don´t want to make the things worse more than the are...but until now I didn´t read anywhere that Cannabis oil cased some damage...

I don't think this is what's going on with your father either libra. A couple cases of this supposed condition in the entire world is no reason for us to get concerned. :hugs: :Love:

I read over your responses, and my initial reaction was it may have more to do with the empty stomach than anything else. The cannabinoids can be rough on the stomach. The other thing to consider is his level of hydration. You'd be surprised how many problems have been solved by drinking more water and making sure to preceed the dose with some food.

Try a small snack that has some fat in it. The fat content will have the additional benefit of getting the liver busy so any cannabinoids traveling through will have a better chance of passing unmetabolized.

You might also consider dropping back to three capsules a day until he's more stable. It may be his system needs more time to adjust to the cannabinoid load. Stay at three capsules for a week and then try the fourth again.

Alternatively, cut down on the per dose load. Make those capsules a bit lighter and stay with the four a day.

To sum up, if it were me I'd

1. Start with increasing the amount of water he drinks and make certain he has some food in his stomach before the evening dose.

2. If he continued having difficulty, I'd drop a dose and wait a couple days to see how he responded.

3. If he responded positively, I'd consider splitting the total daily dose that he can tolerate into four doses, evenly spaced over 24 hours.

This is all considering that you want to do all of his dosing through the gut. At this load you might want to consider its time to make the shift to 75% of the load with suppositories, as recommended by cajuncelt. The capsules can be used as suppositories. With control of the depth of insertion you get the medicinal effects without the euphoric effects. More cannabinoids available to the healing process as well, since you avoid the first pass through the liver.

This one change could be your answer. He's having difficulty tolerating the medicine at these levels through the gut, which has limited bioavailibility anyway. Using suppositories removes this concern entirely.

Tacking about 15 minutes before will further increase the benefits available from cannabis.

I have no problem understanding you. You handle English quite well. It's a tricky language for those of us raised with it. :battingeyelashes: :Love:
 
I know there are important discussions going on here - don't want to distract from that too much.

I just wanted to ask -

Is it a good sign that I naturally WANT to increase my CBD oil? I started so low that I knew I wanted to go higher, but I assumed that it would be me intentionally increasing it. It was feeling really good.

As it stands, I already started taking the oil every 3 hours, instead of twice a day. Now I want to take more each time. It's good. I needed to increase.

But does anyone know what this is, since it's not typical tolerance build up like with other drugs? A good sign? A nothing sign? :)

I'm curious about the biological happenings here!

You're taking less per dose than he recommended, correct? Why not consider going to twice a day, or even three times a day, starting with the total daily dose you're taking now, divided up evenly. Then begin adding small amounts on to each dosing.

You're the cautious type, thank goodness, so you'll probably instinctively do it right and will discover there's a sweet spot in there when you feel completely normal.

In biological terms, the THC is activating CB1 receptors in your brain that have on one hand calmed the neural storms that cause the expression of anxiety, and on the other hand created a sense of wellbeing. It's all simple brain science. :laughtwo:

As you feel better, your ECS can more effectively respond to system calls and get to the business of signaling healing.

You feel better. This creates less static and confusion in the body's messaging systems. The ECS works more efficiently. You have less inflammation. You feel better. The cycle begins again. :cheesygrinsmiley:

In biological terms, you're healing. Just the way you were evolved to do. :Love:
 
I know there are important discussions going on here - don't want to distract from that too much.

I just wanted to ask -

Is it a good sign that I naturally WANT to increase my CBD oil? I started so low that I knew I wanted to go higher, but I assumed that it would be me intentionally increasing it. It was feeling really good.

As it stands, I already started taking the oil every 3 hours, instead of twice a day. Now I want to take more each time. It's good. I needed to increase.

But does anyone know what this is, since it's not typical tolerance build up like with other drugs? A good sign? A nothing sign? :)

I'm curious about the biological happenings here!

What Sue said, plus a straight forward Yes, it's normal, and good. I see it as you have shifted your body slightly and your body has adjusted to its new state. It's telling you it's ready for another small shift. It will keep doing that until you reach 'the sweet spot'.

And the most important thing... this discussion here with you.
My treatment for cancer is pretty simple - take as much of as many cannabinoids as possible, a sledge hammer approach. The fine tuning that you and others are doing helps me better understand how cannabis works. So please 'distract' us anytime!
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Pain Pain Pain why do you make it rain.

The long awaited days ahead will come with butter and bread.

To take away the sadness wthin to put a smile of gladness with a grin.

I shall awake and walk about to only look at my massive stout.

When the bell rings and fight is on i will i have won the bout.

Low and high we shall sing to carry on with the love we bring.

A Licenced Medicinal Cannabis User
 
Hello, all.

I'm new here. I was invited by Sweet Sue after posting in her Pain Relief thread. Though she thought she could help me there, she did invite me here.

My body presents a complex array of problems that I must manage. I'll tell you how I currently manage them later in this posting. First of all, I'll tell you about the difficulties I live with on a daily basis.

First of all, there's the back pain due to an injury from either running hard or moving. I did both on the same day and woke the next morning unable to move. Literally unable to move. I had to crawl to the bathroom to piss and cried/screamed all the way. That was almost 20 years ago, and since then I've been hospitalized for it, been taken to emergency in ambulances for it, couldn't get out of bed for weeks because of it, had to have my wife hold a jar for me to piss in while in bed because I couldn't twist enough to hold the jar myself, and a whole host of daily maintenance regimes to deal with because of everyday pain. My back presents excruciating difficulties for me. It is the reason that I have shots every week and epidurals every week at the pain clinic I attend. And it is the reason that I am about to be prescribed Medical Marijuana here in Alberta, Canada - a rare thing in this province.

The next condition I live with is my Bipolar Disorder and the debilitating depressive episodes that last months at a time. I also go manic, don't get me wrong, but I live on a daily basis with the depression. Depression that sucks the life right out of me. Depression that has me considering suicide very realistically. I've even found myself at the edges of tall buildings trying to decide whether a fall from that height and aiming for the wrought iron fence spikes would be enough to kill me or just wound me. I certainly didn't want to live with the shame of having tried to kill myself and not succeeded, but I certainly did want to succeed at killing myself. That happened more than once. That is my depression that I live with.

The third condition that I live with, and possibly the one that presents itself most noticably during my daily life, is my Generalized Anxiety Disorder. My anxiety disorder has caused me to crawl under the edges of windows to ensure that no one from outside could see me -- even when I've lived where no one could possibly see me, like now when I live on a farm in Central Alberta. No one for miles, and still I can be found crawling under the windows, terrified that someone is out there. It causes me to cry nonstop sometimes, for fear of unknown imaginings. It takes away my capacity to deal with my life, because I cannot open the mail (my wife has been doing that for years), I cannot open my emails, I cannot answer the phone, and I cannot answer the door. I'm just too terrified of what is out there to meet me head on. Just too terrified of the repurcussions of dealing with my life. My anxiety disorder I deal with on a constant basis, for I am constantly terrified of the day around me.

Currently, I deal with the back pain through a complex array of opoids and other medications and treatments. You already know i go weekly for pain shots that cause me pain in their own right. My Fentanyl patch is up to 200 mcg/hr, twice the normal dosage, and I change it every 2 days, rather than every 3 days like everyone else. I also have a running prescription for Tylenol 4s. They are used for breakout pain, for when the Fentanyl is not doing enough of a good job and pain breaks out from within. Lately, I've been popping the T4s like they are candy because there is so much breakout pain. This is a sign that the Fentanyl is not working anymore, and either needs to be upped or an alternate medication found. The doctor had been talking about Methodone for my back, until I suggested the cannabis that I'm about to be prescribed by my pain clinic.

The depression is controlled by a powerful atypical antipsychotic that does wonders in both reducing the depression and also reducing the anxiety tremendously. The mania symptoms are controlled with Lithium, and I haven't been hospitalized in the psych ward in over 3 years now because of the Lithium. The name of my powerful atypical antipsychotic is Latuda, and I take 80 mg per evening, a very large dose. The anxiety breakouts are (somewhat) controlled by Ativan (Lorazepam). I am prescribed 4 mg per day, and I usually must use it all, though I do have some in reserve in case I need it. I have the extra from days when I didn't take my full dosage for whatever reason.

And I'm here for help.

On 25 Jan 17 I will see a new doctor at the pain clinic, and he will determine a calendar schedule to reduce and eventually go off the Fentanyl patch and the T4s. If you had asked me one month ago, before considering cannabis therapy, what I would have thought of going off my Fentanyl I would have said you were crazy. Why go off a medication that has treated my pain for so long? I have an inkling of what that daily pain is like, for whenever I forget to change my patch that day is pure hell with pain. And gawd knows, I remember what life was like before the Fentanyl and T4s. Life was hard. Walking was hard. Twisting was hard. Bending was hard. Sitting was hard. You get the picture?

But that was then, and this is now. I am resigned to using cannabis to treat my pain. And if my pain, why not my anxiety and depression, too? I haven't used cannabis, apart from some isolated events where my son in law purchased me some to treat my pain, since I was 15, over 34 years ago! I'm certainly not a pothead asking for medical marijuana so that I can treat my addiction to the devil's weed legally, rather than through illegal means. And I mean to make it work for me. I plan on working as hard as I can to determine the correct dosages and the right methods of ingestion whatever they may be, whether they be sublingual, suppositories, through the gut, whatever. I just need some help if figuring it all out is all.

So I am asking the kind and generous support and help from this group of users assembled here. I'm sure my new doctor will know a lot about dosing. But I'm sure you all will know a lot more.

As I mentioned, I will not be going to see this new doctor until 25 Jan 17. I will not be allowed to use cannabis legally until then. I do, however, have an illegal grow happening in my back bedroom closet (the new tent only arrived 2 days ago and is not yet set up because I cannot lift it). I am growing 2 Big Bud seeds and 2 Pineapple Express seeds. I thought the Big Bud would be good for my pain and my anxiety, adn that the Pineapple Express would be good for my depression and some residual pain. I also thought that the Pineapple Express would help my wife-bot with her debilitating depression, too. She's willing to try any tinctures I make up for her (the girl has an inordinate amount of trust in me, methinks!). My closet girls -- or my demented little girls, as I like to call them -- are 18 days old today. One of the Big Buds is stunted because of light burn when I had my 600w LED too close to them. She is recovering, but slowly though. The others are doing fine, if a little stunted from having lived their first week and a half in 68 degree F weather, before I realized just how cold it was in that back bedroom and before I installed a small space heater in the closet to keep my DLGs warm.

So, with all that, I leave you for the night. I hope you will digest all the stuff I've had to say. Much of it is important in dealing with treating my illnesses, but I'm sure much of it could have been left unsaid.

And so, good night. Adieu. Auf Wiedersehn. Ciao. And, ta da....
 
Magnus I've read your post... And what a terrible things you have been going through. I'm not sure if I'm able to do anything about it but I will do my best to do anything to make it a little bit better.

Now I am 19 and 2 years when I was in a sort of a milotary training (when I was 17) A sergeant that I knew was shot in the back when he had no bulletproof vest on. So he caught the bullet and it hit his spine right on. Nerve system got completely destroyed and he was paralysed from chest to toe. He had some stuff in the hospital like a surgery to make is bones right again and that worked. now the doctors said that he was never able to move again. But the thing is, they where wrong. Half a year later he said to us: well, by the summer of 2016 I don't need my wheelchair anymore. So, with yoga and other excersizes, not giving up he made it. After falling getting up and then falling again and getting up over and over again he did it and now he is just running marathons again. So, although doctors tell you something you can't do anymore, that is not always true. I always got myself told that you never should let someone tell you what you can't do because everything is possible.

The depression well... I'm just going to follow that up with another story with someone with PTSD. This time that was just a fellow soldier who did a tour to Iraq last year from I thought it was may to september. She still didn't told me what happend out there but she was 19 amd now she is 20 but something back there happend that made her going crazy. So, people told her: "Easy now it's probably nothing" that was when she just got back but end of september begin october I began to notice something odd with her. She is a good friend of mine so I decided to do whatever I can to get back on her feet. I was going easy on her and she got a lot of changong moods like anxiety to depression to flashbacks and all that kind of stuff. Also she became quiet often angry for not really a reason. So I was just doing stuff with her one day just to make her feel more at home and when we got home she just pulled out her gun and pointed it right at my face, at that point I just stayed calm and did nothing. Showed no feelings didn't say anything and didn't move. So after 5 minutes she got back from her flashback or something and she knew what she did so she looked in my eyes woth a lot of fear because it scared her fow what she had done. So I told her: It's not you that's wrong. It's wrong what happend to you. So after that she felt better and better evryday just because of me not payong attention to jer PTSD and just having good payiemce with her. A lot of people said that she should go to the hospital for it but I said no. No hospital. Paying much attention to the problems she had will only make it worse and that's the same with depression. So begin october she told me: so, do you mind me smoking weed? So I said well if you know what you're doing and take not too much of it then okay. So she smoked 1 joint begin october and she said that it helped a lot. So I said okay, then I will grow some plants for you! So now I have 3 plants almost done and she is just almost happy at this day.

So what has this story to do with you? Well, helped someone with heavy PTSD. And I know for a fact that with things like PTSD and depression, certain little things do make a difference. Such as just petting a cat calms you down. Even looking at a cat and wondering why he is doing certain things will get you away from the down feeling. But ofcourse everyone is different. Every person will react to different things.

So if you have any questions or if you need anything then just tell me or ask me. I'm ofcourse not a professional but you don't need a professional to make someone feel better. Just be human.

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You both came to the right place. And rik, for PTSD , SweetSue has a thread about it too. :hugs: So beautiful to see what will power can do and weed helping.
Magnus, you will get your wed meds and feel so much better. I am happy you have opened up to going off traditional meds. :hugs:
 
You both came to the right place. And rik, for PTSD , SweetSue has a thread about it too. :hugs: So beautiful to see what will power can do and weed helping.
Magnus, you will get your wed meds and feel so much better. I am happy you have opened up to going off traditional meds. :hugs:
Oh? that's interesting to see. Maybe I can find some information for my friend right there!

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You both came to the right place. And rik, for PTSD , SweetSue has a thread about it too. :hugs: So beautiful to see what will power can do and weed helping.
Magnus, you will get your wed meds and feel so much better. I am happy you have opened up to going off traditional meds. :hugs:

Me too, LovelyBird. Me too.

I'm expecting the worst. Even on those days when I forget to change my patch, and there are many of them despite marking off the days on the calendar that hangs on the kitchen wall (I'm not a very good opium addict, I'm afraid. Forget to take my doses all the time...), I feel the withdrawal symptoms terribly. It feels like I've got a really bad flu on those days, and I'm not looking forward to feeling like that for an extended period of time. If I had my druthers, I'd just rip off the patches and have done with it, live with a pseudo-flu for a few weeks, puke my guts out and get all that poison out of my system. But my wife-bot tells me that it is dangerous to do it like that, and there's a healthy part of me that just has to agree. So I'm resigned to weening off the Fentanyl slowly. But at least it should give me some time to finish my grow and begin to learn how to dose my new medication.

That, if anything, is what I'm really here for. To learn how best to dose. I don't want to wind up high all the time, though I'm not averse to being high some of the time, truth be told.

So I'm looking forward to this new phase of existence. I guess I might have about 20 more years in me. I was a smoker of traditional cigarettes until 1.5 years ago, addicted to them for 35 years. I've always been afraid of Cancer (yes, with a big "c"), but maybe now I'll have the preventative medication to stop it before it starts. I've seen several family members die from cancer. One is dying right now, in fact. Just finished another round of chemotherapy and radiation therapy. Pancreatic cancer, if I'm not mistaken. An uncle that I'm not close to anymore, but I knew him as a child. But I digress.

Thank you, AngryBird, for all the support you've shown me since I arrived at 420Mag a few weeks ago. What a wonderful thing to have happened onto this site. I know of another site, Gr ow We ed Ea sy do t c om, that has been a great resource for me. Are there other great sites out there that I should be perusing that you know of? You can always pm me if you know of any. I would surely appreciate it, muchly.
 
I too was looking around in many sites before joining. And came to the conclusion that this super community "has it all"
Info on right about everything, members willing to help out a newbie in a marvelous way.
For members with illnesses, problems, conditions etc or members helping others to heal. this site has anything from moral support to "guinea pigs" testing out new methods or informing on "oo it works for ... tooo ".

I simply love my new virtual home and family :hugs: as you can see :circle-of-love:
 
Hey, does anyone know if Propylene Glycol can be used to remove the cannabinoids from the flowers and leafs of the cannabis plant? I know that Vegetable Glycerine works, but I have a particular reason for wanting to use Glycol. First of all, it is much thinner and easier to work with. Secondly, I was hoping that the process would work faster than using Glycerine.

I want to know because I'd like to create an ejuice for myself with either kief or the plant parts it is derived from. I am a habitual user of a mod and tank, but I have an extra tank that I'd like to use for vaping when I'm out in public. It would be much more subtle than pulling out a joint or trying to use some other method of smoking when I'm in the WalMart parking lot after lugging nine 5-gallon jugs of water home for drinking (our water is non potable). Usually, lugging the water home is an activity that does my back in for days, sometimes weeks at a time. And my wife-bot, Betty, is unable to help in this activity. She simply doesn't have the body strength to carry those bottles. Sometimes it is nice to be a man. Sometimes not.

So if you know about the Propylene Glycol, I'd be grateful for your knowledge and advice.
 
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