SweetSue's Cannabis Oil Study Hall

[SweetSue]

Sara, the idea is to keep from thinking of it as work. That word carries so much negative baggage. Try to avoid stressing, and remember to carry the feeling as long as you can, even if only a few seconds past two breaths, and laugh it off.

You're telling the ECS that you're ready to play. Try those words when consciousness first hits.

"I'm ready to play." With a smile.

 

[gudyul]

I had a friend who toked up a lot and I could hardly keep up. He ate a lot of junk food and eventually died from colon cancer. He used to call it an attitude adjustment when he smoked weed. Unfortunately he seemed grouchy when he did not.

From what I have learned here and now doing some self reflection, I think he may have actually damaged his ECS by over doing it. My body always tried to let me know when I was over doing it. I had to quit cigs and cannot drink in excess or smoke weed in excess etc thanks to my body ( ecs?) telling me or signalling me to slow down.

THis ECS theory of yours , Sue, may explain the therapeutic ability behind faith or meditation and the rise of religions etc. It's nice to put a face on the theory I guess but as with so many good things for the masses such as socialism or spiritualism or communication , ECS will ultimately be turned into something it is not meant to be in the name of power and wealth.

 

[HashGirl]

Heck, I don't even know why one strain I have that has high THC (19%) and no CBD puts me to sleep and the other one I have (23% THC and no CBD) gets me high. It sure would make it easier to understand why if someone somewhere posted the actual components (all of them) that gets you high and the actual components for pain relief, stress relief, cancer healing, etc.

I know there are lists of which strains are good for what ailments but personally, I'd like to understand why they're good for one thing or another.

Interesting read Sara. Thank you. I know I wasn't the only one reading that who smiled and thought of the plants we have growing in our own gardens. Take control of your destiny. Stop waiting for the market to catch up to you. Grow a balanced ratio plant or find someone who'll grow it for you.

"Dad Weed" will be a staple in the market within a decade. Well within a decade. The demand grows stronger by the day. Budmasters will learn how to move product too. That part was sad to read. A good salesman knows the product and nothing....nothing stops him or her from making the market bend to his or her will. Geez.

Patients already know the answer is supply your own. Do you really see a day when you can go to the local dispensary and purchase the precise strains or near equivalents to make the oils some of you administer? It would be nice. I hope that day comes sooner than it looks like it may happen. If I had cancer I wouldn't be putting my faith in the local budmaster. I'd be growing my own or have someone grow for me.

The consumer base isn't very well educated yet. They'll catch up quick. It won't be long before consumers of recreational cannabis figure it out too and start growing their own. Then the power companies will get rich.

 

[HashGirl]

Just ordered and 8oz bottle of Pharma Grade DMSO. I will let you know when the experiments begin.

Pardon my ignorance but what is DMSO and what are you planning on doing with it?

 

[SweetSue]

Pardon my ignorance but what is DMSO and what are you planning on doing with it?

DMSO (Dimethyl Sulfoxide) is a solvent that will carry anything across barriers, with the right concentrations. The use we're most concerned with here is as something to carry cannabinoids through the skin to precise areas, as well as the potential for pain reduction.

From the DMSrg website:

"DMSO Penetrates Membranes and Eases Pain

The first quality that struck Dr. Jacob about the drug was its ability to pass through membranes, an ability that has been verified by numerous subsequent researchers.1 DMSO's ability to do this varies proportionally with its strength--up to a 90 percent solution. From 70 percent to 90 percent has been found to be the most effective strength across the skin, and, oddly, performance drops with concentrations higher than 90 percent. Lower concentrations are sufficient to cross other membranes. Thus, 15 percent DMSO will easily penetrate the bladder.2

In addition, DMSO can carry other drugs with it across membranes. It is more successful ferrying some drugs, such as morphine sulfate, penicillin, steroids, and cortisone, than others, such as insulin. What it will carry depends on the molecular weight, shape, and electrochemistry of the molecules. This property would enable DMSO to act as a new drug delivery system that would lower the risk of infection occurring whenever skin is penetrated.

DMSO perhaps has been used most widely as a topical analgesic, in a 70 percent DMSO, 30 percent water solution. Laboratory studies suggest that DMSO cuts pain by blocking peripheral nerve C fibers.3 Several clinical trials have demonstrated its effectiveness,4,5 although in one trial, no benefit was found.6 Burns, cuts, and sprains have been treated with DMSO. Relief is reported to be almost immediate, lasting up to 6 hours. A number of sports teams and Olympic athletes have used DMSO, although some have since moved on to other treatment modalities. When administration ceases, so do the effects of the drug.

Dr. Jacob said at a hearing of the U.S. Senate Subcommittee on Health in 1980, "DMSO is one of the few agents in which effectiveness can be demonstrated before the eyes of the observers....If we have patients appear before the Committee with edematous sprained ankles, the application of DMSO would be followed by objective diminution of swelling within an hour. No other therapeutic modality will do this."

Chronic pain patients often have to apply the substance for 6 weeks before a change occurs, but many report relief to a degree they had not been able to obtain from any other source."

supergroomer wants to try it in a cannabis cream.

 

[Tennessee Tim]

In my case, restless leg ,it seems, can often be triggered by Dairy products consumed in the evening, milk , ice cream and cream sauces too close to bed time! Wish it was always so simple for everybody!

 

[SweetSue]

In my case, restless leg ,it seems, can often be triggered by Dairy products consumed in the evening, milk , ice cream and cream sauces too close to bed time! Wish it was always so simple for everybody!

Interesting observation. Dale was fond of cheese. That's about all the dairy products I let him have, aside from 4 oz of milk with his cereal at breakfast. But he had a habit of cheese and crackers as the evening snack.

 

[SweetSue]

Heck, I don't even know why one strain I have that has high THC (19%) and no CBD puts me to sleep and the other one I have (23% THC and no CBD) gets me high. It sure would make it easier to understand why if someone somewhere posted the actual components (all of them) that gets you high and the actual components for pain relief, stress relief, cancer healing, etc.

I know there are lists of which strains are good for what ailments but personally, I'd like to understand why they're good for one thing or another.

Will this help?

It's not so much why they're good for one or another. It's about which receptors they typically attach to. The CB1 receptors, the ones THC stimulate, are mostly found in the brain and the central nervous system. The ones stimulated by CBD are the CB2 receptors, found in the rest of the body.

THC effects pain by knocking its awareness out of your immediate consciousness. CBD effects pain by reducing inflammation, for the most part. THC for immediate relief, with supplementation of CBD for future relief.

That's the Cliff Notes version.

 

[KingstonRabbi]

Quote Originally Posted by HashGirl View Post
Heck, I don't even know why one strain I have that has high THC (19%) and no CBD puts me to sleep and the other one I have (23% THC and no CBD) gets me high. It sure would make it easier to understand why if someone somewhere posted the actual components (all of them) that gets you high and the actual components for pain relief, stress relief, cancer healing, etc.

I know there are lists of which strains are good for what ailments but personally, I'd like to understand why they're good for one thing or another.

One small edit to Sue's response. THC will bind to either CB1 or CB2 receptors, but more often it binds to CB1. It may also bind to other receptors that some minor cannabinoids are known to do. I've read in several places that some scientists believe there are also CB3 and CB4 receptors.

So we know a fair amount about which components treat which conditions, but we are just getting started on the whys and hows. Great place to start is the article Sue posted a few pages back (not the long one, the really long one. ) Reminds me I need to go through that again.

Another source for more precise match for which strains treat what conditions is to read the strain reviews on another website I can't name. Charts and guides can list symptoms treated vaguely. But the reviews, if you read enough of them, really give you a vivid picture of what a strain can do for you and whether or not it's a good fit for you.

 

[Arctic Bowl]

Super G we just got 4 bottles of DMSO and mixed some of it with distilled water at a 50% each for sensitive areas like neck and face for a friend and some at 70% DMSO for other areas such as hands. We are just in the beginning stages of testing this and may mix some up at 90%. Once we see how this acts/works the next will be a test with CCO/DSMO. So far,(2nd day) with the 70% mix not any drastic improvement in my wifes thumb pain but we will keep you posted.

Nascent iodine is the next order coming in, after some research on iodine deficiencies and all the things the thyroid controls as well as increased background levels in radiation it was a logical choice for us.

You tube has a video "cancer, the forbidden cures" that should be watched by everyone in my opinion, it's like 1.5 hours long but I feel it's worth 1.5 hours of everyone's time. If you already have seen it props to you.

Blessed Buds our friends and be well

 

[SweetSue]

medmanmike left a link earlier to an oil producer in Michigan who makes the sweetest oil. She calls it SAP, and that's the consistency of it. No heat is used in the process, hoping to preserve the entire entourage. It's decarbed naturally, over 3-4 months, and that natural process can increase potency to twice the original punch.

Absolutely beautiful stuff. She's been playing with it for a few years now. I'll include the link. This excerpt just made my heart beat faster and my blood start to race. I offer it as merely a jumping off point for someone interested in following this wonderful woman on your own. I can tell you I'm lost in her writing. Been there for who knows how long this evening. I had to come home for a while and let the eyes rest.

This was such delicious reading I couldn't resist the share. Enjoy. I'm going to bed.



GrowGoddess

GrowGoddess

Aug 25 2015 07:20 PM
I recently posted the following on a different forum regarding my experience and theories to naturally decarbed oil vs. heat decarbed oil.

​I think I may have figured it out. It has been shown on some graphs in the PDF document I left the link for above, that shows at 110F and above can start causing the terpenes to evaporate without a doubt. I do have other documentation to support that.

In my herbalist books, it says that the terpenes are very delicate and to avoid evaporating them off, they recommend using a double boiler and keeping the temps between 95F - 110F, no higher. If the temps go higher, they recommend to add fresh terpene extracts.

What I think I figured out: I mentioned that I thought the heat was causing the THC to oxidize during heat decarbing. I no longer think that is the case, I believe there is no damage to the THC when heat decarbing, when done properly. Going by this document, it appears that with the full amount of terpenes, (I believe using heat to decarb it seriously evaporates the terpenes based upon the research I have done as well as my experiences) it alters the blood brain barrier and alters the THC and much more. https://www.medicinal...of-cannabis.pdf

Here is an excerpt from the document: PDF Pg. 24

"It has been suggested that the terpenoid constituents of Cannabis modulate THC activity, for example, by binding to cannabinoid receptors, modulating the THC receptor affinity, or altering its pharmacokinetics (e.g., by changing the blood—brain barrier;..."

Another excerpt: PDF Pg. 12

"The typical scent of Cannabis results from about 140 different terpenoids. Isoprene units (C5H8) form monoterpenoids (C10skeleton), sesquiterpenoids (C15),diterpenoids (C20), and triterpenoids (C30;seeTable 2). Terpenoids may be acyclic, monocyclic, or polycyclic hydrocarbons with substitution patterns including alcohols, ethers, aldehydes, ketones, and esters. The essential oil (volatile oil) can easily be obtained by steam distillation or vaporization. The yield depends on the Cannabis type (drug, fiber) and pollination; sex, age, and part of the plant; cultivation (indoor, outdoor etc.); harvest time and conditions; drying; and storage (29—31). For example, fresh buds from an Afghani variety yielded 0.29% essential oil (32). Drying and storage reduced the content from 0.29 after 1 week and 3 months to 0.20 and 0.13%, respectively (32). Monoterpenes showed a significantly greater loss than sesquiterpenes, but none of the major components completely disappeared in the drying process."

That would explain everything regarding the differences I have been noticing between heat decarbed oil and naturally decarbed oil. When using my fully heat decarbed oil I can't get a buzz to last any longer than 12 hours. With the fully naturally decarbed oil, the buzz lasts 48 hours or more and it is very comfortable. No anxiety at all. I am confident it is due to the presence of the terpenes that get lost during a heat decarb process. These terpenes can be easily lost in the grow room as well, should the plants not be in a perfect environment getting everything it wants and needs.

These are the conclusions I have come to with the difference between heat decarbed and naturally decarbed. If it were me with a serious illness, such as cancer, I would want to use both types of oil and also include fresh bud. Heat decarbing does alter some of the chemistry and converts some of the cannabinoids into another medicinal form. That is why I would want to use both for a serious illness. When it comes to just staying medicated I would choose to only use the naturally decarbed oil because I feel more comfortable and it lasts longer. Also, it has topped heat decarbed oil when used for aches, pains, cuts, toothaches, etc.

I can fully understand someone preferring the heat decarbed oil as it does offer a different buzz.
This is just based upon my opinion and the experience I have had. I am sure it could be different for others."

 

[AngryBird]

Hi
Just in quickly.. holidays and a house full of kids..= not a lot of time to visit my favorite place
Sweetie, did you take the cannabis and pregnancy class (in Greenflower)?? I was curious on what they said.
I need to organize my day so I can sit and go through classes more effectively.

 

[chadillac5580]

Brilliant!! I need to figure out a way to personalize your practice - I usually wake in the morning fearful and with anxious thoughts - not anxiety feelings - just thoughts. I will work from there and try to change that.

I pick at my scalp psoriasis, too. What is that? A very weird compulsion.

I can relate with you, SaraLinni. I struggle with anxiety which causes motor tics (Tourettes). When I wake in the morning my body is laying there like a lump of clay but my mind is racing around everywhere like the Indie 500. It sucks. Anxiety increases my tics, and tics increase my anxiety. It's a circular process that seems unstoppable. Until about a month ago when I began taking CCO at night before bed. About a week ago I began taking 30mg of CBD during the day. I'm still at the beginning of trying different methods of delivery, dosage amounts and what strains to use, but I can tell you that I feel much better (which I credit the THC I take at night). My hope is to replace my Zoloft with Cannabis.

Sent from my 1975 Radio Shack walkie talkie.

 

[chadillac5580]

There's no reason why this wouldn't work Chad. Cajun once advised us to try a drop on a small piece of bread and place that under the tongue. You can also weigh the dose out on a small piece of rice paper, fold that up and place under the tongue.

Anything under the tongue will fire up the saliva in a huge way, so this has to be taken into consideration. If I were dosing CCO sublingually I'd absolutely assure there was liquid sunflower lecithin in the mix. I'd be looking for any way to speed absorbtion and utilization of the meds.

Yesterday I made a small amount of CCO/Liquid Sunflower Lecithin/Olive Oil. I put it under my tongue but I made too much. It was very difficult to keep it there. I held out as long as I could (maybe 5 - 7 minutes) and swallowed. Needless to say it went to my liver and after a couple of hours I was really, really high. Trying to work out the kinks. I'll try again with a much less ratio (maybe 1:1 CCO/Lecithin) that way it's more like a drop rather than a tablespoon.

 

[SweetSue]

Hi
Just in quickly.. holidays and a house full of kids..= not a lot of time to visit my favorite place
Sweetie, did you take the cannabis and pregnancy class (in Greenflower)?? I was curious on what they said.
I need to organize my day so I can sit and go through classes more effectively.

I was taking another seminar at the time. I have access to them at my leisure (I have a subscription), and I'll be certain to give it a once through real soon. I'm interested in hearing their take. I used cannabis all the way through my second pregnancy. I can't see how that could have negatively impacted my fetus. There's anandamide in breast milk, by God. Let's get over this erroneous idea that cannabinoids are dangerous to the human body.

Stop and think, every cell in your body has receptors. The cannabinoids themselves are evolved to enter the system faster than just about any other natural components on the planet, and with good cause. These are the components charged with keeping the body in perfect balance and disease-free. There's nothing innately dangerous about exposing humans, of any age, to cannabinoids. Dosage, dosage, dosage.

Responsibile administration of safe medications trumps fear-mongering any day.

End of rant.

I can relate with you, SaraLinni. I struggle with anxiety which causes motor tics (Tourettes). When I wake in the morning my body is laying there like a lump of clay but my mind is racing around everywhere like the Indie 500. It sucks. Anxiety increases my tics, and tics increase my anxiety. It's a circular process that seems unstoppable. Until about a month ago when I began taking CCO at night before bed. About a week ago I began taking 30mg of CBD during the day. I'm still at the beginning of trying different methods of delivery, dosage amounts and what strains to use, but I can tell you that I feel much better (which I credit the THC I take at night). My hope is to replace my Zoloft with Cannabis.

Sent from my 1975 Radio Shack walkie talkie.

Chad, Tourette's responds very positively to a magnesium supplement. You might want to look into Natural Calm. I have it on good authority that this works. Aside from that, you have every reason to anticipate more than symptom control with cannabis. The chief difference between cannabis and the commonly prescribed pharma drugs is that cannabis will heal you as it controls the symptoms of whatever you're treating. The cannabinoids signal change on the cellular level. Not just suppression of symptoms, but positive change that directly leads to healing.

Yesterday I made a small amount of CCO/Liquid Sunflower Lecithin/Olive Oil. I put it under my tongue but I made too much. It was very difficult to keep it there. I held out as long as I could (maybe 5 - 7 minutes) and swallowed. Needless to say it went to my liver and after a couple of hours I was really, really high. Trying to work out the kinks. I'll try again with a much less ratio (maybe 1:1 CCO/Lecithin) that way it's more like a drop rather than a tablespoon.

Keep after it. You'll find the sweet spot. You now know another spot that it isn't. Thank goodness we work with a medication that can't hurt you.

 

[SL2222]

I can relate with you, SaraLinni. I struggle with anxiety which causes motor tics (Tourettes). When I wake in the morning my body is laying there like a lump of clay but my mind is racing around everywhere like the Indie 500. It sucks. Anxiety increases my tics, and tics increase my anxiety. It's a circular process that seems unstoppable. Until about a month ago when I began taking CCO at night before bed. About a week ago I began taking 30mg of CBD during the day. I'm still at the beginning of trying different methods of delivery, dosage amounts and what strains to use, but I can tell you that I feel much better (which I credit the THC I take at night). My hope is to replace my Zoloft with Cannabis.

Sent from my 1975 Radio Shack walkie talkie.

Yes. You hit the nail on the head. A circular process that spins out of control. The thoughts make the anxiety, but the anxiety also produces the thoughts. It took 27 years of thoughts + physical traumas to create the severe anxiety, so unraveling all of that has been... something. I'd say interesting, I guess.

I'm so happy that the CCO and CBD has helped! And that the circular process is eventually reversed so that it becomes a positive one.

Please keep us updated!

 

[SweetSue]

Yes. You hit the nail on the head. A circular process that spins out of control. The thoughts make the anxiety, but the anxiety also produces the thoughts. It took 27 years of thoughts + physical traumas to create the severe anxiety, so unraveling all of that has been... something. I'd say interesting, I guess.

I'm so happy that the CCO and CBD has helped! And that the circular process is eventually reversed so that it becomes a positive one.

Please keep us updated!

Might I suggest to you and Chad to attempt something as simple as what I've evolved to do every morning? Turns out all that awareness before I open my eyes is too much for me to keep up with too, although I'm inclined to wake up happy regardless. But there's something uniquely important about the deliberate thought, I'm convinced of it. There's a connection being made somewhere between the brain and the ECS that enhances emotional control.

I fell back on what my daughter decided works for her. Wake up, open the eyes and say

"I'm ready to play!"

Give it a shot. Let me know how it goes.

 

[SL2222]

Might I suggest to you and Chad to attempt something as simple as what I've evolved to do every morning? Turns out all that awareness before I open my eyes is too much for me to keep up with too, although I'm inclined to wake up happy regardless. But there's something uniquely important about the deliberate thought, I'm convinced of it. There's a connection being made somewhere between the brain and the ECS that enhances emotional control.

I fell back on what my daughter decided works for her. Wake up, open the eyes and say

"I'm ready to play!"

Give it a shot. Let me know how it goes.

Yes! I need to change the narrative happening in my brain as I wake up AND play more. So this is going to become a thing.

 

[HashGirl]

One small edit to Sue's response. THC will bind to either CB1 or CB2 receptors, but more often it binds to CB1. It may also bind to other receptors that some minor cannabinoids are known to do. I've read in several places that some scientists believe there are also CB3 and CB4 receptors.

So we know a fair amount about which components treat which conditions, but we are just getting started on the whys and hows. Great place to start is the article Sue posted a few pages back (not the long one, the really long one. ) Reminds me I need to go through that again.

Another source for more precise match for which strains treat what conditions is to read the strain reviews on another website I can't name. Charts and guides can list symptoms treated vaguely. But the reviews, if you read enough of them, really give you a vivid picture of what a strain can do for you and whether or not it's a good fit for you.

Thank you, Kingston (and Sue).

My problem with a lot of this is that I'm not familiar with a lot of the cannabis-related terms. I'm not a stupid person but I have a hard time wrapping my head around everything when I'm still learning and I don't want to have to post multiple questions about what the terms mean. I wonder if there's a Marijuana for Dummies book available? I liked Sue's Coles Notes infographic on cannabinoids and terpenes although my LP doesn't list the cannabinoids for their products.

Heck, I don't even understand all the information about rheumatoid arthritis and its treatments and I've had RA for 12 years.

Kingston, I don't even know what C1, C2 (and C3 and C4) receptors are. I'm guessing they're something in the body that depending which one the cannabis comes in contact with determines how the body reacts but that's just a guess.

I think I know the website you're talking about for the strains. After 420 Magazine, it's my favourite cannabis-related website mainly because of all the great strain reviews.

 

[SweetSue]

One small edit to Sue's response. THC will bind to either CB1 or CB2 receptors, but more often it binds to CB1. It may also bind to other receptors that some minor cannabinoids are known to do. I've read in several places that some scientists believe there are also CB3 and CB4 receptors.

So we know a fair amount about which components treat which conditions, but we are just getting started on the whys and hows. Great place to start is the article Sue posted a few pages back (not the long one, the really long one. ) Reminds me I need to go through that again.

Another source for more precise match for which strains treat what conditions is to read the strain reviews on another website I can't name. Charts and guides can list symptoms treated vaguely. But the reviews, if you read enough of them, really give you a vivid picture of what a strain can do for you and whether or not it's a good fit for you.

I wanted to reinforce reading the comments and testimonials on the strains. CBD Crew has a testimonial page on their site as well, that's a wealth of patient information on the strains. It's easy to get lost on those pages. What I always walk away feeling is how adaptable the strains are to whatever ails you. Aside from some basic guidelines about choosing indica or sativa dominance and ratios, it often comes down to nothing more than individual preference, which is limited by experience.

It becomes more obvious to me as I go on, the successful caregiver finds a handful of strains that meet multiple needs and learns to cultivate them to maximize yield or potency or both, dependant on need. Those strains, blended to meet more specific patient needs, form the foundation of the healing arts practiced. Find the strains that speak to you. Grow them to maximum potential. Train yourself to make the most beautiful and effective medicinal oils and other products you can, and serve your patients with joy and expectation.

Sounds like a divine future.