Surfbuddy's GLR 2L DWC-H Coco Lowryder - Big Bud - BubbleGum - Northern Lights

[SurfBuddy]

LOL, there's so many of them! I'm going to guess the big one

 

[SurfBuddy]

OMM, sorry I missed ya, I had to fix mom's computer...

Cleaned the res' out last night and watered w/o nutes... there was some growth on the bottom of the 2L's

Everything looks good on the hair front, but the large BB has some weird leaf action... some of the leaves are curled up, and some are weeping like it doesn't have enough water. And it didn't. Res was bone dry, no bubbles, nothing. Gotta move that hole up higher or water in the AM too.

I feel like she's giving me mixed signals. Thoughts?

Photos:
On this one you can see the weeping one in the back

On this one you can see on the same bud, the lower leaf on the right side is weeping and the one coming out of the left side of the top bud is curled up

This is the main kola, almost all leaves are curled up, none are droopy/weeping

This is that side branch that has the weirdness, droopy left, curled on top.

 

[jandre2k3]

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I feel like she's giving me mixed signals. Thoughts?

Photos:
On this one you can see the weeping one in the back

On this one you can see on the same bud, the lower leaf on the right side is weeping and the one coming out of the left side of the top bud is curled up

This is the main kola, almost all leaves are curled up, none are droopy/weeping

This is that side branch that has the weirdness, droopy left, curled on top.

Hey, buddy. Can you get some pics in there of normal, or white light? turn off the LED's for a sec to get true color of the plant and take a few pics of the problem leaves with a cfl lamp on them? That'll help in diags. Thanks.

 

[SurfBuddy]

I'm on it

 

[SurfBuddy]

Thanks for the tip Jandre- here are the photos w/o LED on

 

[OldMedMan]

Man, she looks healthy over all. I've never grown a big bud, so I don't know if that is normal, so I went hunting for pictures of her. Half the pictures looked just like yours, with downward curled leaves, so it may just be a phenotype. Let's see what Jandre tells us.

 

[THsea]

Plant looks fine to me... Honestly, my Arjan's Strawberry Haze looks oodles worst, and for the same issue... I tried epsoms, thinking it maybe a magnesium deficiency... But nope! Some plants have weird growing tendencies.... G13 (I think thats the user) told me its something common in Haze's... If memory serves.

Maybe flush if you haven't and are worried about lock out... ? But they look healthy otherwise my friend! I love when all them pistils are new and shoot out. Exciting moments in growing!

OMM always emphasized to me that more new/young growers kill plants due to over activity .. So I never try drastic measures with my plants, even when I was worrying about strange curling... Harder to take back what you put into your substrate than to put in.

Then again... You are in coco, right? Who knows, maybe its something that can be fixed... Dammit! I'm not a doctor Jim!
Great journal buddy. Nice pictures too.

 

[Closet Farmer]

I agree with OMM! I think your plants look great. This is only day 16 of flower right? I understand that plant really packs on a lot of weight too.

 

[jandre2k3]

I tend to agree. I see nothing denoting any type of deficiency at all. BB just looks like that. Google image Big Bud and you'll see a LOT of pics, looking exactly the same. I think you're fine, man.

 

[SurfBuddy]

Man, she looks healthy over all. I've never grown a big bud, so I don't know if that is normal, so I went hunting for pictures of her. Half the pictures looked just like yours, with downward curled leaves, so it may just be a phenotype. Let's see what Jandre tells us.

Whew. Roger that. Holding pattern maintained.

Plant looks fine to me... Honestly, my Arjan's Strawberry Haze looks oodles worst, and for the same issue... I tried epsoms, thinking it maybe a magnesium deficiency... But nope! Some plants have weird growing tendencies.... G13 (I think thats the user) told me its something common in Haze's... If memory serves.

Maybe flush if you haven't and are worried about lock out... ? But they look healthy otherwise my friend! I love when all them pistils are new and shoot out. Exciting moments in growing!

OMM always emphasized to me that more new/young growers kill plants due to over activity .. So I never try drastic measures with my plants, even when I was worrying about strange curling... Harder to take back what you put into your substrate than to put in.

Then again... You are in coco, right? Who knows, maybe its something that can be fixed... Dammit! I'm not a doctor Jim!
Great journal buddy. Nice pictures too.

I bet that stat is right on. OVER doing instead of letting them do their thing. I will try to be more hands off and just give them some water tomorrow LOL. I wonder how long that will last

I agree with OMM! I think your plants look great. This is only day 16 of flower right? I understand that plant really packs on a lot of weight too.

Whew (again)! Yup, day 16 of 12/12 I think day 11 or 12 since first hairs. Getting overly exited too early I guess that's why they call it big bud

Thanks guys, for putting me at ease. I just flushed yesterday and then fed with straight water so I figure she's not over nuted, but she did drink the whole res for the first time... so maybe I'll give her more water w/o nutes tomorrow.

Again, thanks for keeping me sane and keeping me from doing something disastrously stupid. lol

 

[SurfBuddy]

I tend to agree. I see nothing denoting any type of deficiency at all. BB just looks like that. Google image Big Bud and you'll see a LOT of pics, looking exactly the same. I think you're fine, man.

Whew. Thanks jandre. I will stop worrying about it and start looking forward to what I just google-fied.. damn I'm drooling.

 

[jandre2k3]

hehe, check this out. Plants grow slowly, so should your care of them. There comes a point when you just have to detach from them. I sit and talk to my ladies, but I don't touch but maybe once a day. They'll love you for it if you just sit back, and enjoy the show they're putting on for you. Don't try to run the lines with them, just enjoy the play.

 

[donpaul.p]

jandre as always some great advice, i was watching a few grow dvds that i downloaded and one was by jorge cervantes, the dreadlock dude, anyways you see the edges of your leaves curling upwards, well he says this is a sigh the plant is to hot and trying to lose some heat, so it curls up to catch more air or something along them lines, he said if you get the temp only slightly lower the leaves will go back to normal and look healthy, so looking at your leaves i wondered if you had a heat issue at that part of the plant, try checking temps at all levels in the grow and see what you got, im no experts far from it and only going on what i read, but them leaves look like the same on the dvd and it was down to slightly high temps at the top of the plant, the grower lowered the temp by 2 degrees and within a day the leaves was back to how they was.

im not saying this is your problem just trying to throw some info your way just in case your temps are slightly high, its worth checking, with the way the weather changes it could be ok one day and to hot the next then to cold the next day after that, also having the fans blowing to harsh on the leaves will cause problems, i done this when my plants where small and it was drying the leaves out as they was evaping to much moisture so was drying out, so i had my fan blowing above the plants to stop it blowing on them directly and it solved the problem, but now im in summer where i am ive got a big fan blowing when the lights are on and im not getting any problems as of yet so think they are ok with the fan im using as it rotates so its not constantly blowing on the same plant all the time the lights are on

just a few ideas for you mate, i like to help out where i can and offer some advice i have picked up along the way

 

[SurfBuddy]

hehe, check this out. Plants grow slowly, so should your care of them. There coms a point when you just have to detach from them. I sit and talk to my ladies, but I don't touch but maybe once a day. They'll love you for it if you just sit back, and enjoy the show they're putting on for you. Don't try to run the lines with them, just enjoy the play.

I hear ya. With the DWC I felt like if I didn't check the pH every 6 hours I was screwed. With the 2L's I was tending them at lights on and then again at lights off (I run 730pm to 730 am). Now I am trying to let go. Only watering at lights on, zipping up the tent before I go to bed so i'm not tempted, or required for that matter, to get up and do something before the lights go out.

That is great advice. Maybe I will try to just play music and sing to them to give em some co2.

jandre as always some great advice, i was watching a few grow dvds that i downloaded and one was by jorge cervantes, the dreadlock dude, anyways you see the edges of your leaves curling upwards, well he says this is a sigh the plant is to hot and trying to lose some heat, so it curls up to catch more air or something along them lines, he said if you get the temp only slightly lower the leaves will go back to normal and look healthy, so looking at your leaves i wondered if you had a heat issue at that part of the plant, try checking temps at all levels in the grow and see what you got, im no experts far from it and only going on what i read, but them leaves look like the same on the dvd and it was down to slightly high temps at the top of the plant, the grower lowered the temp by 2 degrees and within a day the leaves was back to how they was.

im not saying this is your problem just trying to throw some info your way just in case your temps are slightly high, its worth checking, with the way the weather changes it could be ok one day and to hot the next then to cold the next day after that, also having the fans blowing to harsh on the leaves will cause problems, i done this when my plants where small and it was drying the leaves out as they was evaping to much moisture so was drying out, so i had my fan blowing above the plants to stop it blowing on them directly and it solved the problem, but now im in summer where i am ive got a big fan blowing when the lights are on and im not getting any problems as of yet so think they are ok with the fan im using as it rotates so its not constantly blowing on the same plant all the time the lights are on

just a few ideas for you mate, i like to help out where i can and offer some advice i have picked up along the way

You know, I added 5 CFLs and changed my fan config around, and my temps ran up to 86 (new high on the humidity/temp monitor), and the plants simultaneously stretched for the new LED, so it could be higher temps. I'm not seeing burn so maybe I'll just spin the plants a little because I don't want to raise the lights yet to let the others catch up. Or perhaps I'll supercrop to let the others catch up and keep the high heat off the taller kolas.

But for now, I'm not going to touch anything! Ha.

Thanks guys!

 

[donpaul.p]

i wouldnt even say 86 is on the high side as long as it wasnt constant at that, mine has gone higher than that before i opened the door when the hps was on, but it does vary from strain what temps they can take, but all the dvds and stuff i have seen is that when the ends curl up its to hot and its doing all it can to cool down

 

[SurfBuddy]

Update:
Day 18 12/12, Day 14 Flower

Pulled CFLs from seedling side over to Flower side, rewired t8 fixture to use ballasts for T8 florous, and put them on the veg side. put shelf above t8's and set clone box on it with blue t8 LED above it.

Q.-- Will clones root under only blue LED?

Pics of the teens from the side:

And from above: Clockwise from Top: BubbleGum with multi less developed tops, Lowryder who is furthest of all along in flower but mostly buried, you can't really see it from this angle.., the smaller BigBud, and the bigger Northern Lights

Other side: Clockwise from top: The bigger BigBud, smaller Northern Lights, the streching like mad, less developed Lowryder

The veg and clone area: Three of the clones pushed roots through the riot cubes, and are now in coco 2L DWC-H. Down to 3.5 seedlings, soon to be 3.

Comments welcome!

 

[Closet Farmer]

My small grow area goes between 83 to 86 during the day. I seem to have good results at those temps but would rather them be lower.

Your plants are looking great! Nice and Green. Getting some nice flowers. I would say you are getting great results for 18 days of flower. Are you going to defolate at day 21? If you do, those buds are really going to fill out!!

 

[SurfBuddy]

My small grow area goes between 83 to 86 during the day. I seem to have good results at those temps but would rather them be lower.

Your plants are looking great! Nice and Green. Getting some nice flowers. I would say you are getting great results for 18 days of flower. Are you going to defolate at day 21? If you do, those buds are really going to fill out!!

OK, that's good. I just added some CFLs so will see if that makes the tent run hotter when zipped. Glad I'm in the ballpark though.


Thanks CF! It's hard for me to tell, so I'm glad to have the outside perspective. I am on the 21-45 program, getting antsy to do it! I will also be reducing my daylight another 1/2 hour to 11 on the 21st. And starting new seeds soon after. And ....

 

[Closet Farmer]

Sounds like a great plan. Very similar to what I am doing. I have never reduced the light a half hour. Interesting...just curious. Why are you doing that. I was wondering what the additional benefits would be? Sounds great though!!

 

[SurfBuddy]

Hey CF,

Reducing the lights starting 1/2 hour per week starting with week 3 of flower is called the Diminishing Light Schedule and comes from 12/12's blog post. :

The Diminishing Lighting Schedule

The diminishing fall schedule begins with an evenly halved light schedule, using 12 hours for the first two weeks to trigger the plant into bloom, and then further reducing the lighting for increasing darkness time by one half hour every week.

The final week of flowering will provide the plants with a mere nine hours of light, with 15 hours of darkness, forcing a resulting final explosive hormonal buildup. This sends the plant into blooming overdrive and produces resin far beyond the normal plant's limits.
When the Gas Lantern Routine and Diminishing Light Schedule are used together, they create healthier, more naturally robust plants. These important and historical botanical techniques are soon going to become very important techniques in the coming years as medicinal cannabis research continues to advance. When viewed from cost of production, organics, and medicinal needs, the methods currently being promoted can be seen counter to the interests of growing healthy plants. Understanding your plants is the best way to grow the best medicine, and looking for solutions to growing problems by observing nature always provides the right answers.

More info on The Gas Lantern Routine and 12/12's results can be seen here:
The Gas Lantern Routine for Growing Cannabis

The combo of the two is perhaps what helped my girls go from unsexed to starting flower in 4 days, then on to what they are now...