Surfbuddy's GLR 2L DWC-H Coco Lowryder - Big Bud - BubbleGum - Northern Lights

Hey there SB! I see what you mean about the Big Bud. All the leaves have no stems. That is one beefy plant!! I guess you could just trim the biggest fan leaves. Nice looking plant!!
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That Northern Lights looks super sweet and frosty too! Great Job!! Maybe you can get OMM to put the lazy auto trimmer to use!!
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Thanks CF! I'm looking forward to the day when those come down! But I puled the lowryders today!

Looked back through from the pics on the 20th to present. Looks really good all the way around SurfBuddy.
I take it you're using a scope to check the trichs for amber?
Keep up the good work. You're doin fine and that big bud looks great too.
Thanks Bass. I was worried there were too many leaves, but It will still be trich loaded leaves, so I don't care that much. I looked at it closer again today, and although there are a lot of leaves, there are a lot of buds too :)

I'm using a camera to check the trichs, don't have a scope.
Thanks!
 
UPDATE! Lowryders cut down! Pics and wet weight below: Any ideas about how much weight I will lose when it dries? 75%? 50%?

Tall Lowryder wet weight 37.7g
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This is what I ended up with after trimming
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This was the only bud worth hanging
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Here is the stubby lowryder wet weight 11.6g
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When I was trimming her, I noticed some brown shit, so I cut out one of the middle nugs and saw this smack dab in the middle. Looks like mold? I touched it and it disintegrated, so I quickly removed any other brown bad boys. I put some of it on the string, but the rest will just dry out on the bottom of the box
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It's really hard to tell with a camera. You can get a 60x-100x lighted scope from radio hack for less than $20 that works very well.
 
It's really hard to tell with a camera. You can get a 60x-100x lighted scope from radio hack for less than $20 that works very well.
Got one coming in the mail.

Dry weight of a harvest is roughly 65%-75% less than it was. Or 25%-35% of wet weight
Thanks for that. It's what I imagined... not even 1/8 out of the tiny one.

Or you can get a Celestron 44302-A Deluxe Handheld Digital Microscope 2MP from the e-book site for 45 bucks and free shipping and be able to take pics, edit, and post them here so we can share in your excitement!
Got one coming from an EEEEE-b-a-y link someone posted here. 2mp 20-200x mag, stills and video. 27 bucks.

Now you guys have me worried that the other plants are ready too... I have never even checked them figuring they had another 7-14 days on them, but I guess they could finish early? Week 7 (49 days) will be Tuesday. I just checked around and some NL's info say they finish in 7-10 weeks, but BigBud is more consistently 8-9 weeks... got me exited!
 
Hey there SB! That does look like mold is starting to form. That is where I always notice mold when I have in the past. I hope it is not too bad. Those plants sure do have a lot of trichs. Even if you do have a few moldy buds they will still make great hash!! Could be a great idea to harvest a little early.:thumb:
 
Keep humidity below 50% and, maybe install another fan.
I can make the oscillating fan blow faster... I already have a 240cfm extractor fan in a 4x2x5 tent. I think my problem is that I am using tubs for the res's with ice bottles to keep the res 's below 68F. I may have to do without that during these last weeks of flower.

I accidentally broke off a lower Big Bud nug while watering today. This was on the under side of a side branch around 1/2 way down. Not sure how big the rest of that nug was or if this is the whole thing.
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Another angle
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The other side
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This is the top of the main kola on the same plant
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I think since these are known for couch lock and I'm going for pain killer for mom, I'll let these go longer. I just don't want bud rot. They seem to continue to throw out new white hairs every day (see kola pic), and they are getting more dense.
 
Damn SurfBuddy, I am joining this party late, but man I am glad I came over!!! I read the beginning of the Thread, and felt like I had walked onto a Rocket getting ready to take off, with all the Technical Nomenclature and High Hopes! Then I see your pictures on the last page, and realized You had already landed on the MOON. It looks Killer. Some Damn Fine MMJ. Your Mom is gonna be stoked! And personally, I would let the Buds go a little longer also IMO. But like you already know, if the Bud Rot comes, it's time to go! They would be ripe enough for most people anyways, I do not think Mom would have a problem with them! I just showed them to my Wife, and She agrees, even Her Pickiness(MY WIFE) said she would have no problems smoking them. I used to have a SurfBuddy back in the Day. He was my "BRO". Great pick for a Name. SINCERELY, JAMESTHEGREEN.
 
I threw some Bokashi on the top of the plants yesterday to see what would happen. I think they like it. I am top watering with pH7 tap to moisten and filling the res with BPN monster bloom. I had thrown some on my lettuce outside and woah, it tripled in size in two days. So I thought I'd try it on my plants. So far so good.

Are your tubs open? Can they be moved outside the GR? Can you get a dehumidifier in the GR? Can you duct air from inside the GR to a dehumidifier and then back in? Humidity is the cause of the bud rot, so anything you can do to lower it down to say 45% or less would help.
Tubs are open topped, the 2L's sit in them in about 1-2" of water, so they can't be moved outside. I don't own a dehumidifier, but I did buy some dessicant stuff that is in there (I just saw it needs to be recharged too) So today I emptied the tubs, no more ice bottles and cold water, but I think absence of bud rot trumps res temps at 68 for better nute and oxygen intake.


Damn SurfBuddy, I am joining this party late, but man I am glad I came over!!! I read the beginning of the Thread, and felt like I had walked onto a Rocket getting ready to take off, with all the Technical Nomenclature and High Hopes! Then I see your pictures on the last page, and realized You had already landed on the MOON. It looks Killer. Some Damn Fine MMJ. Your Mom is gonna be stoked! And personally, I would let the Buds go a little longer also IMO. But like you already know, if the Bud Rot comes, it's time to go! They would be ripe enough for most people anyways, I do not think Mom would have a problem with them! I just showed them to my Wife, and She agrees, even Her Pickiness(MY WIFE) said she would have no problems smoking them. I used to have a SurfBuddy back in the Day. He was my "BRO". Great pick for a Name. SINCERELY, JAMESTHEGREEN.

Hey James, Thanks for joining us, and for your kind words. I'm still stumbling along here and have learned quite a bit along the way. Mom digs "the girls", she says hello and asks them to grow big every day :)

I saw some of your pics randomly a while ago... I guess you had just posted yours at the same time I had posted mine so they were in the gallery right there, and WOW! you had some monsters going there! That one monster sage leaf is incredible, forearm size.
 
Well... Here's the delicate balance.. Lower RH to help stave off bud rot, but by removing the ice bath, letting your res temps rise above 68F you're now risking ROOT ROT. Damn I hate saying this... I think DWC-H is not the best for your situation, brother. I'm sorry to say this, but I think that your space may be better suited for another style of grow.

There is some good news. With your grow you already have the trays, it sounds like, so check out doing Ebb&Flow instead of DWC-H. Basically, you remove the hempie pots, and add Hydrotone, res, and a pump.

I have How-To if you're interested in checking it out. I run this system in my CARDBOARD FLOWER BOX and with my HPS light RH is down to 25%-32% Well below the danger point for bot rot, and if you keep the res out of the light, it stays pretty cool. Currently my res temps hover around 67F.

DIY Ebb & Flow
 
:bravo:Hey SurferBuddy, what's Bosaki? never heard of it. Thumbs up for being a good son to your mom:thumb:
Hi Grace,
Bokashi is a product that has microorganisms, wheat germ and molasses. It's main use is to help break down compost into food your plants can eat, but I threw some on to try it since my outdoor plants loved it so much.

Well... Here's the delicate balance.. Lower RH to help stave off bud rot, but by removing the ice bath, letting your res temps rise above 68F you're now risking ROOT ROT. Damn I hate saying this... I think DWC-H is not the best for your situation, brother. I'm sorry to say this, but I think that your space may be better suited for another style of grow.

There is some good news. With your grow you already have the trays, it sounds like, so check out doing Ebb&Flow instead of DWC-H. Basically, you remove the hempie pots, and add Hydrotone, res, and a pump.

I have How-To if you're interested in checking it out. I run this system in my CARDBOARD FLOWER BOX and with my HPS light RH is down to 25%-32% Well below the danger point for bot rot, and if you keep the res out of the light, it stays pretty cool. Currently my res temps hover around 67F.

DIY Ebb & Flow

Thanks for the link, I struggled with my initial RDWC, which your ebb and flow eerily reminds me of. I actually have holes in the tubs (now gorilla taped over) and the bulkheads to do the drain, in both 1/2 and 3/4. I had such a nightmare battle with pH that I was discouraged from doing a "pure hydro" with all my plants connected together. With the 2L's each one is isolated so I can monitor and care for them individually. I may eventually give the DWC or EbbnFlo another go, but i'm not sure how that would lower my humidity?

I'm running LED lights so my temps are right at 80, but my RH does not drop like yours does. I just pulled my humidity meter during the dark cycle and it said 89% WTF! It is raining outside, so that doesn't help. I have a giant DampRid in the tent along with my other dessicant rechargables, and just turned on the exhaust fan to run 24/7.

I guess I'll have to throw down for a dehumidifier (or maybe an a/c).

help!
 
Well, from what I have seen, if this is the way You stumble, then maybe your stumble is more like a Dance!:bravo: Yeah, You should call it, My Amazing Stumble, by SurfBuddy! That SAGE Plant was a pretty awesome Plant, She topped out at over 15ft, not sure exactly though, and She filled in Her growing space completely as well, all of them did, come to think of it. Weather here still not Summer-timeish though, supposed to Heat up Manana, I hope so! Thanks for all the Reps! SINCERELY, JAMESTHEGREEN.:blushsmile:
 
Hi Grace,
Bokashi is a product that has microorganisms, wheat germ and molasses. It's main use is to help break down compost into food your plants can eat, but I threw some on to try it since my outdoor plants loved it so much.



Thanks for the link, I struggled with my initial RDWC, which your ebb and flow eerily reminds me of. I actually have holes in the tubs (now gorilla taped over) and the bulkheads to do the drain, in both 1/2 and 3/4. I had such a nightmare battle with pH that I was discouraged from doing a "pure hydro" with all my plants connected together. With the 2L's each one is isolated so I can monitor and care for them individually. I may eventually give the DWC or EbbnFlo another go, but i'm not sure how that would lower my humidity?

I'm running LED lights so my temps are right at 80, but my RH does not drop like yours does. I just pulled my humidity meter during the dark cycle and it said 89% WTF! It is raining outside, so that doesn't help. I have a giant DampRid in the tent along with my other dessicant rechargables, and just turned on the exhaust fan to run 24/7.

I guess I'll have to throw down for a dehumidifier (or maybe an a/c).

help!

First my exhaust fan runs 24/7, at "night" I see RH of 35-38 at the most.

It would lower your humidity with Ebb&Flow, because the water is not "standing" in the bottom of your tray. It fills every six hours, and then drains back into your covered and sealed res. It is nothing like RDWC because the solution, for most of the time stays in the res and is not constantly circulating.

You plug in your pump to a timer set to fill for 5 to 15 minutes each, depending on your environment, and then it drains back out of the trays into the reservoir to sit for the rest of the time between fills. This removes the constantly evaporating water from the tray, and holds it in the tank, thus reducing the RH in your grow space.

In your situation, the ice bath sits in the bottom of your trays all the time, and when the lights go off, the RH spikes 89%. With an Ebb&Flow, you don't fill at "night" if you are having RH issues, and that alone can reduce your risk of bud rot.

As far as your pH issues, you have to have a good nutrient line. I use BPN and when I set it at pH 5.8 it STAYS at a range of +/- 3. Organics are not good for a hydro system unless you increase tube sizes and pump power because they build sludge in the res, and are notorious for random pH jumps throughout the day.

I noticed you use GH Flora products... Did you use those in the RDWC??? I used to use GH Flora Nova in my hydro system, and it was NOT GOOD to say the least. I was plagued with pH spikes/drops, and damn near killed every plant I had. I would adjust pH before I went to work, and by the time I got home, it'd be well out of hydro range for good uptake. I only slept 5 hours at a time in those days because I would have to get up and adjust pH back down just to keep my plants alive.

Later, I tried Advanced Nutrients Jungle Juice in this system. While results were okay, I was still adjusting pH every other day to keep things in range, and I had a myriad of problems with the nutrients themselves. Either they would burn, or when I adjusted to lessen burn, I would get a deficiency.

BPN to the rescue!! All those problems are gone. And now I have a very successful grow and my little clones grow by leaps and bounds...

This following pic is in the Cardboard Flower Box using GLR, BPN, and a 400w light. The clones were 2-3" tall when they went in, and THIS is three weeks later.
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In this pic is is kinda hard to tell, but they all range from 10" to 12".

Environmentals are currently:
BPN 3-part Elite with Liquid Blue Bloom Booster @ pH, 5.8 (pH has been there for three days)
RH 24% using 4 fills per day Ebb&Flow
Temp 82
Res temp 67

I could probably add CO2 with an environment like this and not even worry about the increase in RH in a cardboard box.


But that's just my experience... I think that your pH problems were actually caused by the GH FLora series of nutes, not the system.
 
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