Surfbuddy's GLR 2L DWC-H Coco Lowryder - Big Bud - BubbleGum - Northern Lights

[donpaul.p]

nice results on the glr mate, im giving it a try this time round and will be using it for the whole of veg, i got to admit though that the clones seem to prefer the glr to the seedling, im not getting much more growth from the seedling, its growing the same it would if it was under 20-4, but the clones seem to love it, growing like crazy, my only concern is that i took my clones well into flowering to achieve the monster cropping technique, so that means i have had to re-veg the plants and go through all the crazy leaf growth, now my plants are back in veg and no longer flowering, but im hoping the glr will keep them in veg and not turn them back to flower, but so far so good and the clones are growing like crazy.

they are growing mental compared to the mothers i took the clones off, the kush clone is bigger than the mother plants and they where veg for 7 weeks, so something has changed this time round to make them grow, i had low temps last time and was using cfls, but i used cfls to veg these for a couple of weeks and under cfls they even grew more, im not sure what has changed, im using bpn a lot earlier as i never had it last time till i switched to flower, but was using baby bio till then, i cant moan, the plants look and feel better than the mothers, so im hoping for some monsters from this monster cropping, im sticking with glr till flower so wont be changing schedules this time, not sure what to do in flower, wonder if its worth giving the deminishing light schedule a try,

 

[Closet Farmer]

nice results on the glr mate, im giving it a try this time round and will be using it for the whole of veg, i got to admit though that the clones seem to prefer the glr to the seedling, im not getting much more growth from the seedling, its growing the same it would if it was under 20-4, but the clones seem to love it, growing like crazy, my only concern is that i took my clones well into flowering to achieve the monster cropping technique, so that means i have had to re-veg the plants and go through all the crazy leaf growth, now my plants are back in veg and no longer flowering, but im hoping the glr will keep them in veg and not turn them back to flower, but so far so good and the clones are growing like crazy.

they are growing mental compared to the mothers i took the clones off, the kush clone is bigger than the mother plants and they where veg for 7 weeks, so something has changed this time round to make them grow, i had low temps last time and was using cfls, but i used cfls to veg these for a couple of weeks and under cfls they even grew more, im not sure what has changed, im using bpn a lot earlier as i never had it last time till i switched to flower, but was using baby bio till then, i cant moan, the plants look and feel better than the mothers, so im hoping for some monsters from this monster cropping, im sticking with glr till flower so wont be changing schedules this time, not sure what to do in flower, wonder if its worth giving the deminishing light schedule a try,

It is funny that you say that. I am getting the same results. Since switching to GLR. My clone is catching up to the seed plants. All the plants are thriving with the GLR though but the clone plant seems to like it even more

 

[donpaul.p]

i wonder if its got anything to do with the fact that the clones are old enough to flower, so using glr this will force them to stretch as if they was starting the flower stage, but giving it the 1 hour light during the dark stops it from going into flower, so im thinking that seedlings take 4 weeks ish to reach maturity where they can be flipped to 12-12, so im thinking as the clones came from a mother plant and is old enough to enter its stretch stage then is this what is happening, are we tricking the plant into starting its flower stretch but not letting to go fully in flower due to the hours light, this would explain why seedlings grow slower as it would take them a few weeks before they was mature enough to be affected by the 12-12. if you know what i mean, so the seedling would not stretch as much under glr until it was old enough to start the stretch as if it was under 12-12.

i hope you can understand what im trying to say

 

[jandre2k3]

Hmmmm... interesting theory... But how does one prove that? There has to be some scientific test to prove this.

Wait.... MY seedlings are growing faster than my clones.... Not that doesn't make any sense at all. In those picks above... Side A has 10 seedlings in there, and they're all 11"-12" tall. There are only 4 clones that are as tall as the seedlings. The rest are all 10".

 

[Closet Farmer]

Hmmmm... interesting theory... But how does one prove that? There has to be some scientific test to prove this.

Wait.... MY seedlings are growing faster than my clones.... Not that doesn't make any sense at all. In those picks above... Side A has 10 seedlings in there, and they're all 11"-12" tall. There are only 4 clones that are as tall as the seedlings. The rest are all 10".

There could be a lot of factors. What Don Paul makes sense because the clone I have that is really thriving was taken during the flower stage. It is finally starting to produce normal looking leaves and is catching up to the other plants in GLR. The seed plants are getting super thick and really like it too. I am confused that this even works as good as with full time lighting!!

 

[Buckshot]

I just pulled my humidity meter during the dark cycle and it said 89% WTF! I guess I'll have to throw down for a dehumidifier (or maybe an a/c).

I now have ac and air exchange to my room and the RH still gets high in the dark cycle!

 

[jameswri85]

I understand you completely DP!!

I had those same thoughts!!

 

[jandre2k3]

I now have ac and air exchange to my room and the RH still gets high in the dark cycle!

Maybe run your extraction fan 24/7?

 

[SurfBuddy]

First my exhaust fan runs 24/7, at "night" I see RH of 35-38 at the most.

Mine is also running 24/7 now. And it was still 79%

It would lower your humidity with Ebb&Flow, because the water is not "standing" in the bottom of your tray. It fills every six hours, and then drains back into your covered and sealed res. It is nothing like RDWC because the solution, for most of the time stays in the res and is not constantly circulating.

You plug in your pump to a timer set to fill for 5 to 15 minutes each, depending on your environment, and then it drains back out of the trays into the reservoir to sit for the rest of the time between fills. This removes the constantly evaporating water from the tray, and holds it in the tank, thus reducing the RH in your grow space.

In your situation, the ice bath sits in the bottom of your trays all the time, and when the lights go off, the RH spikes 89%. With an Ebb&Flow, you don't fill at "night" if you are having RH issues, and that alone can reduce your risk of bud rot.

Actually, in a fit yesterday, I emptied the tubs, so no more standing water. I dried the tubs with a towel, so no drips, no nothin. Still up in the upper 70's, with extraction fan running.

As far as your pH issues, you have to have a good nutrient line. I use BPN and when I set it at pH 5.8 it STAYS at a range of +/- 3. Organics are not good for a hydro system unless you increase tube sizes and pump power because they build sludge in the res, and are notorious for random pH jumps throughout the day.

I noticed you use GH Flora products... Did you use those in the RDWC??? I used to use GH Flora Nova in my hydro system, and it was NOT GOOD to say the least. I was plagued with pH spikes/drops, and damn near killed every plant I had. I would adjust pH before I went to work, and by the time I got home, it'd be well out of hydro range for good uptake. I only slept 5 hours at a time in those days because I would have to get up and adjust pH back down just to keep my plants alive.

Later, I tried Advanced Nutrients Jungle Juice in this system. While results were okay, I was still adjusting pH every other day to keep things in range, and I had a myriad of problems with the nutrients themselves. Either they would burn, or when I adjusted to lessen burn, I would get a deficiency.

BPN to the rescue!! All those problems are gone. And now I have a very successful grow and my little clones grow by leaps and bounds...

I actually started off with GH Flora, but switched to BPN halfway through veg and am VERY happy I did. No more pH madness... actually you saying that has kind of nudged me to try DWC again or even your ebb n flow.

This following pic is in the Cardboard Flower Box using GLR, BPN, and a 400w light. The clones were 2-3" tall when they went in, and THIS is three weeks later.
...snip...

But that's just my experience... I think that your pH problems were actually caused by the GH FLora series of nutes, not the system.

That is actually a HUGE relief! Thanks Jandre!

 

[SurfBuddy]

nice results on the glr mate, im giving it a try this time round and will be using it for the whole of veg, i got to admit though that the clones seem to prefer the glr to the seedling, im not getting much more growth from the seedling, its growing the same it would if it was under 20-4, but the clones seem to love it, growing like crazy, my only concern is that i took my clones well into flowering to achieve the monster cropping technique, so that means i have had to re-veg the plants and go through all the crazy leaf growth, now my plants are back in veg and no longer flowering, but im hoping the glr will keep them in veg and not turn them back to flower, but so far so good and the clones are growing like crazy.

they are growing mental compared to the mothers i took the clones off, the kush clone is bigger than the mother plants and they where veg for 7 weeks, so something has changed this time round to make them grow, i had low temps last time and was using cfls, but i used cfls to veg these for a couple of weeks and under cfls they even grew more, im not sure what has changed, im using bpn a lot earlier as i never had it last time till i switched to flower, but was using baby bio till then, i cant moan, the plants look and feel better than the mothers, so im hoping for some monsters from this monster cropping, im sticking with glr till flower so wont be changing schedules this time, not sure what to do in flower, wonder if its worth giving the deminishing light schedule a try,

Yeah, I love the GLR, and the DLS seems to be working as well, though I have no side by side, so hard to say

It is funny that you say that. I am getting the same results. Since switching to GLR. My clone is catching up to the seed plants. All the plants are thriving with the GLR though but the clone plant seems to like it even more

Hmmm, are you guys making fair comparisons for age? Do you count the day you cut the clone as day 1 and the day the seed sprouts? Or are you using the day the clone already has tons of roots? Seems like it is hard to compare apples to apples here with clones vs. seeds since plants seem to stall as youngsters then boom as adolescents and teens.

i wonder if its got anything to do with the fact that the clones are old enough to flower, so using glr this will force them to stretch as if they was starting the flower stage, but giving it the 1 hour light during the dark stops it from going into flower, so im thinking that seedlings take 4 weeks ish to reach maturity where they can be flipped to 12-12, so im thinking as the clones came from a mother plant and is old enough to enter its stretch stage then is this what is happening, are we tricking the plant into starting its flower stretch but not letting to go fully in flower due to the hours light, this would explain why seedlings grow slower as it would take them a few weeks before they was mature enough to be affected by the 12-12. if you know what i mean, so the seedling would not stretch as much under glr until it was old enough to start the stretch as if it was under 12-12.

i hope you can understand what im trying to say

Didn't you just grow a monster 12/12 from seed? That seemed like it didn't need 4 weeks to mature, right?

Hmmmm... interesting theory... But how does one prove that? There has to be some scientific test to prove this.

Wait.... MY seedlings are growing faster than my clones.... Not that doesn't make any sense at all. In those picks above... Side A has 10 seedlings in there, and they're all 11"-12" tall. There are only 4 clones that are as tall as the seedlings. The rest are all 10".

I too think my seedlings are going nuts, but don't have age appropriate clones to compare with... the clone moms I have were just butchered too, so they are slow to recover... seems like there are too many X factors involved to make an accurate comparison.

There could be a lot of factors. What Don Paul makes sense because the clone I have that is really thriving was taken during the flower stage. It is finally starting to produce normal looking leaves and is catching up to the other plants in GLR. The seed plants are getting super thick and really like it too. I am confused that this even works as good as with full time lighting!!

Agreed on both points. There are many factors and GLR works!

I now have ac and air exchange to my room and the RH still gets high in the dark cycle!

Hmmm, maybe I won't blow 200 bucks on an AC then

 

[jandre2k3]

Mine is also running 24/7 now. And it was still 79%

Actually, in a fit yesterday, I emptied the tubs, so no more standing water. I dried the tubs with a towel, so no drips, no nothin. Still up in the upper 70's, with extraction fan running.

The only other thing I can think of is all that water in the bottom of the DWC-H bottles is a lot of standing water to be evaporating. Further proving my point that DWC-H may not be the best for your space, and/or your location. Is it really humid most of the time in your part of the world?

Put your Hygrometer outside for 8-12 hours and tell me the reading.

I actually started off with GH Flora, but switched to BPN halfway through veg and am VERY happy I did. No more pH madness... actually you saying that has kind of nudged me to try DWC again or even your ebb n flow.

That is actually a HUGE relief! Thanks Jandre!

Yeah, I'm glad that you're put more at ease with a full hydro as far as BPN goes, with the pH problems you had with GH Flora Nova. I really think that the Ebb&Flow, with the fully separate res, and the fact that it is NOT constantly running your solution through the bin is better for your space and humidity levels...

Bud rot is really not a good situation especially if you deal with high RH outside. You may have to spring for a dehumidifier. with RH that high in the dark, depending on your GR size, that might run you quite a bit.

I wish you luck my friend, it seems you have a couple of tough choices ahead of you.

 

[donpaul.p]

i got to admit i did get great results going 12-12 from seed with my 2ltr dwc hempie, the only thing i would love to know is, if i did not do it as an hempie and let it go in normal size pot from seed then would this give me a bigger yield or would it be the same just smaller buds.

clearly you can get good results from 12-12 from seed with the hempie grow, maybe if i vegd it a few weeks first it would of been bigger, but the seedling wont enter flower till its mature enough so in theory it was still under veg for the first few weeks just under 12-12,.

another thing im thinking is, if glr works that well and speeds things up, then going 12-12 from seed should give the same results for the first couple of weeks, with seedlings though not clones as clones would flower strait away due to age, but seedlings grown 12-12 from seed and glr from seed should in theory grow at the same rate, but then when the seedling was mature enough to show sex and flower then it would start to flower under 12-12 and not under glr, so then the differences would start, so i think up to this point of the seedlings getting mature then the 12-12 and glr should grow at more or less the same rate, till the 1 under 12-12 enters flower stage when its mature,
so my question is this, how long does it take for a seedling to be mature, if it says takes 3 or 4 weeks then i dont see what you would gain by using glr then flipping to flower after 4 weeks, say it takes 4 weeks for the seedling to be mature enough to enter flower, then in them 4 weeks it would be in veg under 12-12 and it should then grow the same as glr in theory, so if thats the case then their would be very little point in using glr or any other method if you was going to flower early say after 3 weeks of veg, i know different strains would reach maturity at different ages, but for clones it would not be the same as the clone is mature enough to flower when it goes into veg so these would flower before the seedlings under 12-12

 

[jandre2k3]

This is true, it does take time for a seedling to mature enough to go into flower, and grown under 12/12 there would only be vegitative growth until the plant is mature enough to flower.

Most seedlings I've seen, I'd hate to flower straight from seed though as they're only 12-15 inches tall (30-38CM).

So the GLR would push the seedling to the brink of flower while getting the same growth as in veg for the next half of the 60days I recommend for seedlings to veg. This allows for some topping and lateral growth to happen to get 3-4 times the yield of a 30-day-old seedling in flower.

 

[donpaul.p]

great info, im planning on only going 12-12 with the 2ltr hempies as they really dont need the veg time, if i was using clones then id have to veg for a few weeks before going 12-12 to stop it flowering so quick, but i plan on doing 12-12 from seed with the hempies just so i can try a strain without the long veg, if i like it then i should have clones from the hempie then i could use the clone to grow a normal plant in a big pot, 12-12 from seed basically lets me try a strain without having to veg it and end up with a big plant, then if i like it and its a good smoke then i can use the clones and grow a bigger plant, ill only do this with fem seeds though if i used regular seeds i could end up with only males so not worth wasting the time doing that, so ill wait a while why these plants veg then about 10 days before i switch the lights to flower ill soak a couple of fem seeds and get them sprouted in time to go into the flower room from seedling, thats my plant anyways,

i got some pics up of what i got going on at the minute if you want to have a look mate

 

[jandre2k3]

great info, im planning on only going 12-12 with the 2ltr hempies as they really dont need the veg time, if i was using clones then id have to veg for a few weeks before going 12-12 to stop it flowering so quick, but i plan on doing 12-12 from seed with the hempies just so i can try a strain without the long veg, if i like it then i should have clones from the hempie then i could use the clone to grow a normal plant in a big pot, 12-12 from seed basically lets me try a strain without having to veg it and end up with a big plant, then if i like it and its a good smoke then i can use the clones and grow a bigger plant, ill only do this with fem seeds though if i used regular seeds i could end up with only males so not worth wasting the time doing that, so ill wait a while why these plants veg then about 10 days before i switch the lights to flower ill soak a couple of fem seeds and get them sprouted in time to go into the flower room from seedling, thats my plant anyways,

i got some pics up of what i got going on at the minute if you want to have a look mate

IMHO, seeding into 12/12, you will be underwhelmed with the yield. But be all means, test it and see if you like the results!

At 30 days, you'll have one main top about 2" tall that you could try to take a clone from... Hope you can get 2 nodes to root and still have a plant left to flower.

 

[donpaul.p]

on this last hempie i just did, it was 12-12 from seed and i recon i got about an oz off it, i did take 2 clones but for some reason they did not root, but i could of taken another 4 clones but i decided to leave them as branches lower down, i ended up with 1 huge bud and 4 smaller buds of the 4 lower side branches, i recon i got slightly less than i did off the plants i vegd for 7 weeks, but this time the clones are growing better than the mothers so yields should be bigger this time round, my 2ltr hempie when it finished was 1ft high the main bud was just a bit smaller than a 2ltr pop bottle, i put some pics up off the bud and you can see me holding a 2ltr pop bottle up behind the bud, i was shocked at how much i got considering i went 12-12 from seed, i could of taken 6 clone off it as the 4 branches i left could of come off, but it was well in flower when them branches grew so i just left them then the plant ended up looking like a trophy, i got it drying now, will have dry weight in a day or 2, the wet weight was 78g if i remember right, its in my journal im sure i wrote down the wet weight, well i say wet weight, i did not weight it after i harvested it, it was 36 hours later so it had over 24 hours to dry, im hoping i get just under an oz from it, im hoping anyway,

 

[JamesTheGreen]

And THEY say we are just Stupid Stoners, I bet not one LEO could read this, and understand what was being written about. It reads more like the mixture for Rocket Fuel, and all the basic components of that Rockets Engine to keep it up, and running. We all should have Doctorates in Horticulture! SINCERELY, JAMESTHEGREEN.

 

[jandre2k3]

on this last hempie i just did, it was 12-12 from seed and i recon i got about an oz off it, i did take 2 clones but for some reason they did not root, but i could of taken another 4 clones but i decided to leave them as branches lower down, i ended up with 1 huge bud and 4 smaller buds of the 4 lower side branches, i recon i got slightly less than i did off the plants i vegd for 7 weeks, but this time the clones are growing better than the mothers so yields should be bigger this time round, my 2ltr hempie when it finished was 1ft high the main bud was just a bit smaller than a 2ltr pop bottle, i put some pics up off the bud and you can see me holding a 2ltr pop bottle up behind the bud, i was shocked at how much i got considering i went 12-12 from seed, i could of taken 6 clone off it as the 4 branches i left could of come off, but it was well in flower when them branches grew so i just left them then the plant ended up looking like a trophy, i got it drying now, will have dry weight in a day or 2, the wet weight was 78g if i remember right, its in my journal im sure i wrote down the wet weight, well i say wet weight, i did not weight it after i harvested it, it was 36 hours later so it had over 24 hours to dry, im hoping i get just under an oz from it, im hoping anyway,

From your journal, First CFL Grow Using 30 Watt CFLs

"wet weight is 73.5 grams" should be right around 18g. 10 shy of an ounce.

 

[SurfBuddy]

Well, from what I have seen, if this is the way You stumble, then maybe your stumble is more like a Dance! Yeah, You should call it, My Amazing Stumble, by SurfBuddy! That SAGE Plant was a pretty awesome Plant, She topped out at over 15ft, not sure exactly though, and She filled in Her growing space completely as well, all of them did, come to think of it. Weather here still not Summer-timeish though, supposed to Heat up Manana, I hope so! Thanks for all the Reps! SINCERELY, JAMESTHEGREEN.

Hey James, I missed this the first time... I've stumbled onto the dance floor before... drunken master style! Thanks for the kudos. Good luck w/ the weather... we all need it.

 

[SurfBuddy]

The only other thing I can think of is all that water in the bottom of the DWC-H bottles is a lot of standing water to be evaporating. Further proving my point that DWC-H may not be the best for your space, and/or your location. Is it really humid most of the time in your part of the world?

Put your Hygrometer outside for 8-12 hours and tell me the reading.

Yeah, I'm glad that you're put more at ease with a full hydro as far as BPN goes, with the pH problems you had with GH Flora Nova. I really think that the Ebb&Flow, with the fully separate res, and the fact that it is NOT constantly running your solution through the bin is better for your space and humidity levels...

Bud rot is really not a good situation especially if you deal with high RH outside. You may have to spring for a dehumidifier. with RH that high in the dark, depending on your GR size, that might run you quite a bit.

I wish you luck my friend, it seems you have a couple of tough choices ahead of you.

I have a humidity meter in the veg 1/2 of the closet that hangs around 50-70. Just checked in the tent, and it was 54%, so removal of the tubs and fan 24/7 seems to be working...

I think I may have to even go dirt or something to get the RH down more. will stick another Hygrometer outside.