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SuKaFr33
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LOL only cause you said so Krip!! 
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Yup!
When cloning, it's recommended to take clippings from lower on the plant. I believe they have more of the hormones that promote root growth, while the tops have more hormones promoting veg growth.
Once she develops roots of her own (give it 1-2 weeks) she'll start taking off!
When cloning, it's recommended to take clippings from lower on the plant. I believe they have more of the hormones that promote root growth, while the tops have more hormones promoting veg growth.
Once she develops roots of her own (give it 1-2 weeks) she'll start taking off!
Stoned4daze61
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Taking clones off the bottom of the plant if fine. Misting the dome will help, along with clipping the tips as stated above. Misting the clone itself is kind of a personal preference. Personally I do NOT mist my cuttings, I think it defeats the purpose. Why mist the clones ? I look at it this way, you want a cutting to root so that it can become self sustaining & uptake water/nutes. The roots break from the stem searching for water and food, if you supply it with a small amount of water by misting it, it will put less energy in forming roots to search for the water. Besides the stomatas (pores) are located on the underside of the leaf, so if you continue to mist the leaves make sure you mist the undersides. I just came across a knowledgeable grower discussing this last night as a matter of fact. He put it in very simple words, if your clone is thirsty, let that bitch form some roots and then she can drink all she wants. Think of this situation from a different perspective. Anyways thats my 2 cents
And I dont mist my cuttings or use a humidity dome but I use an Aero cloner so some claim that is not necessary
Good Luck and their looking Great ! I actually put 2 plants in one 5 gallon bucket last year and they didn't turn out bad at all, almost kept up with the others. I think that if you keep the Veg time down and plants overall size down, the root masses shouldn't compete with one another too much
And I dont mist my cuttings or use a humidity dome but I use an Aero cloner so some claim that is not necessary
Good Luck and their looking Great ! I actually put 2 plants in one 5 gallon bucket last year and they didn't turn out bad at all, almost kept up with the others. I think that if you keep the Veg time down and plants overall size down, the root masses shouldn't compete with one another too much
Thawk has the exact right idea! Not that it's correct or incorrect to mist your cuttings. I agree that, just like snipping the tips, it's a matter of preference.
That being said, you do not mist the cuttings so the girls can drink. You mist the cuttings to reduce transpiration through the leaves!
HomeMedGrower
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Thawk has the exact right idea! Not that it's correct or incorrect to mist your cuttings. I agree that, just like snipping the tips, it's a matter of preference.
That being said, you do not mist the cuttings so the girls can drink. You mist the cuttings to reduce transpiration through the leaves!
If you mist or foliar feed are you not asking the plant to take up water and nutrients through their leaves or stomotas.
Maybe I'm looking at it wrong.
If you mist or foliar feed are you not asking the plant to take up water and nutrients through their leaves or stomotas.
Maybe I'm looking at it wrong.
HomeMe (as in "Homie"), that's a good question! Here is my understanding...
First, we need to separate "foliar feeding" from misting clones. Fresh clones should not be on nutes, have no roots to uptake them, and don't need them. So the misting of fresh clones is not to feed the plant, it's simply to prevent dehydration.
Transpiration is a natural part of plant growth and is essentially what keeps the nutrients flowing through the plant. But the result of transpiration is water loss through the stomata.
This water loss is really the only concern. The same way there are no roots to feed on nutes yet (even if the clone could handle the dose), there are no roots to replace the water lost through transpiration.
So, the objective, until the clone develops roots, is to:
1) Minimize any transpiration
2) Replace any water lost due to transpiration
Ways to minimize transpiration include high humidity (water evaporates more easily into dry air, hence, the humidity dome), don't have a fan blowing on the clones, and minimize the surface area of the leaves (snipping the tips).
The misting is simply to replace any water lost by transpiration until she has some roots to get her own.
If you minimize transpiration enough, and get roots soon enough, you can easily root clones without misting them directly, so again, I'm not saying one way is correct and the other is not. I'm just explaining the "method behind the madness"!
HomeMedGrower
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HomeMe (as in "Homie"), that's a good question! Here is my understanding...
First, we need to separate "foliar feeding" from misting clones. Fresh clones should not be on nutes and have no roots to uptake them. So the misting of fresh clones is not to feed the plant, it's simply to prevent dehydration.
Transpiration is a natural part of plant growth and is essentially what keeps the nutrients flowing through the plant. But the result of transpiration is water loss through the stomata.
This water loss is really the only concern. The same way there are no roots to feed on nutes yet (even if the clone could handle the dose), there are no roots to replace the water lost through transpiration.
So, the objective, until the clone develops roots, is to:
1) Minimize any transpiration
2) Replace any water lost due to transpiration
Ways to minimize transpiration include high humidity (water evaporates more easily into dry air, hence, the humidity dome), don't have a fan blowing on the clones, and minimize the surface area of the leaves (snipping the tips).
The misting is simply to replace any water lost by transpiration until she has some roots to get her own.
If you minimize transpiration enough, and get roots soon enough, you can easily root clones without misting them directly, so again, I'm not saying one way is correct and the other is not. I'm just explaining the "method behind the madness"!
From my understanding, and trust me I have a lot to learn. Doesn't the epidermis act like an organ than can take up and excrete water and substance.
If this is true then misting the clones would be feeding them IMO.
From my understanding, and trust me I have a lot to learn. Doesn't the epidermis act like an organ than can take up and excrete water and substance.
If this is true then misting the clones would be feeding them IMO.
Yes, you're correct. The difference I'm trying to point out is in our definiations of "feeding".
With foliar feeding, you're trying to get nutes to the plant. Often because of root damage and the plants inability to uptake the nutes.
You want the clones to drink - not eat!
With fresh clones, you're not misting with nutes to try to get nutes to the plant. It has it's own stored nutes. Mist them with plain H2O (R/O is fine at 0 ppm!). The water you're misting them with is simply to replace water lost due to transpiration.
It's just to replace the water lost...
Kinda like if you were crossing a desert somewhere with water a couple of days walk away. If you minimize your own water loss, it will help. And, you can probably make the couple of days walk without water and still not die. But, you'd have a better chance of surviving and be a lot more comfortable and healthy for the couple of days it took you to get there if you had some water along the way.
HomeMedGrower
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Yes, you're correct. The difference I'm trying to point out is in our definiations of "feeding".
With foliar feeding, you're trying to get nutes to the plant. Often because of root damage and the plants inability to uptake the nutes.
You want the clones to drink - not eat!
With fresh clones, you're not misting with nutes to try to get nutes to the plant. It has it's own stored nutes. Mist them with plain H2O (R/O is fine at 0 ppm!). The water you're misting them with is simply to replace water lost due to transpiration.
It's just to replace the water lost...
Kinda like if you were crossing a desert somewhere with water a couple of days walk away. If you minimize your own water loss, it will help. And, you can probably make the couple of days walk without water and still not die. But, you'd have a better chance of surviving and be a lot more comfortable and healthy for the couple of days it took you to get there if you had some water along the way.
If it rained you could collect water and would not have to walk in search of the water.
I found someone you may trust who will better explain:
Marijuana Horticulture: The Indoor/Outdoor Medical Grower's Bible By Jorge Cervantes
Marijuana Horticulture: The Indoor/Outdoor Medical Grower's Bible By Jorge Cervantes
HomeMedGrower
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I think you said it earlier both work just preference of the grower. I never foliar feed or mist plants.
He also says misting the clones several times a day as an alternative to a humidity tent or dome.
Stoned4daze61
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I think we can all agree its a "preference". I've seen many experienced growers do it both ways and all get roots in 4-10 days with minimal failure rate. If were all getting healthy roots then just keep doing what were doing
Aaron Quix
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EFFING WOW!!! Can I get some interesting damned discussion like this over on my thread!!??
Oh wait, its almost over, but I'll be starting a new one soon. Doing a SSH grow, just rescued 2 weak clones. They've been sitting in 1.5 in rockwook cubes with no nutes or bubbles for 3 weeks. Went straight into my DIY bubble cloner (I believe Mr Krip does a similar one) . Just for the record, I will not be misting, and I will not be using a humidity dome. I didnt last time either and had 100% success with 7 clones....JM2C
Oh wait, its almost over, but I'll be starting a new one soon. Doing a SSH grow, just rescued 2 weak clones. They've been sitting in 1.5 in rockwook cubes with no nutes or bubbles for 3 weeks. Went straight into my DIY bubble cloner (I believe Mr Krip does a similar one) . Just for the record, I will not be misting, and I will not be using a humidity dome. I didnt last time either and had 100% success with 7 clones....JM2C
Yes, but in Step #8 he talks about misting to cool foliage and slow transpiration to help the traumatized clones retain moisture unavailable from non-existant roots, which is what I was trying to explain.
I'm not suggesting anyone do this, just explaining why people do.
Agreed!
Aaron Quix
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Stop posting while Im posting Mr K!!
Sorry! I'll take a break now! Hear, hear! I thought my shootout would be a 5 star 100 page epic by now, just with the LED discussions alone!
My clones this go round are so freaking tiny, no need to clip leaves, but I do mist 1 x day and use a humidity dome. They're still looking fine. There's no real right way, just the way the works for YOU.
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SuKaFr33
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well i've been misting all the sides inside the dome around the clones, i think i misted them one time but haven't since, i did mist the pellets a couple times though when they were lookin a little dry, which now that i think about i should have really misted them like that, i guess the transpiration help with keeping that moist, thats just what im guessin, after im done on here im gonna go ahead and read more of the grow bible, i'll take a look at both of them and see what both suggest, and Jozo thats what i said about my clones, that the leaves were too small, but i ended up clippin a couple of the biggest ones anyway, just not the very top leaves, and thanks to everybody for all the help, its HIGHly appreciated, Thank You!!!! 
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SuKaFr33
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should i switch nutes since i put'em in 12/12, i watered the last 2 times so any nutes that are in there as of now should be washed out, cause if so, tomorrows feeding so im most likely gonna give them the flower nutes, and i'll prolly give them 1/2 the recommended dose..