Starting A Continuous Harvest Grow - Need Advice

[4our8ighty0]

No hormones, fancy equipment or additional additives. They are in an 80deg room. Foam keeps the stems in the water, no matter how much evaporation. Bubbler keeps roots aerated and air damp. Dumped a bit of food in yesterday since they are starving. Pulled my clones out last week. These are just leftovers for compost or a few friends that may want them.

Yes that's a really good idea, that could work very well,I am considering a auto cloner w misting nozzles,but I will try this air stone water method first,mainly for practicality and lack of resource requirements. I really love the idea of water method,always have but never could get speedy or healthy results reliably. The foam could even just float on top of water ? I could get a 3 or 5 gallon tote and stick 18 clones(my minimum clone requirement for my continuous harvest setup) in foam like you showed us and just float clones in water w air stones. I could treat/exchange water daily or every 3 ish days ? Maybe more ? Does water cause slowing of growth ? Will roots be as bountiful as soil method in same time frame?

 

[4our8ighty0]

Yes that's a really good idea, that could work very well,I am considering a auto cloner w misting nozzles,but I will try this air stone water method first,mainly for practicality and lack of resource requirements. I really love the idea of water method,always have but never could get speedy or healthy results reliably. The foam could even just float on top of water ? I could get a 3 or 5 gallon tote and stick 18 clones(my minimum clone requirement for my continuous harvest setup) in foam like you showed us and just float clones in water w air stones. I could treat/exchange water daily or every 3 ish days ? Maybe more ? Does water cause slowing of growth ? Will roots be as bountiful as soil method in same time frame?

Also 1970 how is the bacteria factor ? Is it possible to chemically manage this water w/o famging clones ? Or is replacing water regularly the best way?

 

[4our8ighty0]

how do you get long stems at the start and the nodes appearing higher up ? is it low light at seed ? as your stems lok untrimmed but quite long, i would love to get my clones like that so its not cluttered around the base of the plant when it gets older, i would love then to gropw at least 3 inches above the stem before they produce nodes .
Cheers

Yea you are right on the head bro,when they first sprout I keep light very close until around wk 2 or 3 depending on growth or until root system is established,then I transplant and move the light back and let plant stretch until node 5 or 6 then I topp drop light again and let growth tips form then move light back and start the lollipop process from 1st or 2 nd node down. I do this process for first month then let it grow and usually this process evens out the new growth tips and causes the sprouts to stretch at lower nodes instead of higher nodes when the sprout is still young before the main stem begins to harden. I prefer this method cause it's very slow n hands off but it also creates a longer gap between the top of soil and the start of my canopy,this gives me great air flow,room to work and I can see everything. I also maintain the lollipop until the plants death from this point. It sounds fancy but you nailed it,I'm stretching the lower nodes first to get that longer stem effect lol I did it by accident and over time perfected it,I so damn busy sometimes.....this style has lots of cushion for errors

 

[4our8ighty0]

Yea you are right on the head bro,when they first sprout I keep light very close until around wk 2 or 3 depending on growth or until root system is established,then I transplant and move the light back and let plant stretch until node 5 or 6 then I topp drop light again and let growth tips form then move light back and start the lollipop process from 1st or 2 nd node down. I do this process for first month then let it grow and usually this process evens out the new growth tips and causes the sprouts to stretch at lower nodes instead of higher nodes when the sprout is still young before the main stem begins to harden. I prefer this method cause it's very slow n hands off but it also creates a longer gap between the top of soil and the start of my canopy,this gives me great air flow,room to work and I can see everything. I also maintain the lollipop until the plants death from this point. It sounds fancy but you nailed it,I'm stretching the lower nodes first to get that longer stem effect lol I did it by accident and over time perfected it,I so damn busy sometimes.....this style has lots of cushion for errors

It only works because the added height is not really an issue until flower,my flower rooms have always been taller,I think bigger taller plants is a major factor in yeild. My flower rooms are 9ft to 10ft tall.

 

[4our8ighty0]

Ok so here the veg ladies today...

 

[4our8ighty0]

Here are the flower room ladies....

These the two newest transplants that were having issues

This is the runt in the flower room bottom left corner plant,her leaves shaded out all growth sites so I trimmed them back to expose canopy and attempt to catch her up to the other girls

she is considerably shorter than her friends,this may be useful but for now I'll try to catch her up

I have also noticed the dreaded leaf top twisting, Sativa1970 says this is stress induced? They are still acclimating to new pot after transplant so could this be the cause of the twisting ?

 

[4our8ighty0]

And last but not least my play clones,they appear to be ok still, this isy most effective method......I dislike it and am not satisfied at all. I'll try the water air stone.

They do not appear to have any issues yet but we are only on day....3 I believe

 

[4our8ighty0]

Over all every plant is thriving again..whew... The 2 new transplant girls are darkening and growing rapidly,black dots have begun to heal over and are barely noticable. All plants are unfurling and growing quickly,I believe in next few days they will be fully acclimated and I can defoliate the flower room girls and flip them. ....I'm very excited the first run is about to begin.....I'm giddy af rn lolol these girls gonna produce for me like my last run,they was gorgeous guys fr,I still have flower pics of harvest,it was 3 months ago if y'all wanna see. I think I posted a few on geespot thread.

 

[Digipro]

Over all every plant is thriving again..whew... The 2 new transplant girls are darkening and growing rapidly,black dots have begun to heal over and are barely noticable. All plants are unfurling and growing quickly,I believe in next few days they will be fully acclimated and I can defoliate the flower room girls and flip them. ....I'm very excited the first run is about to begin.....I'm giddy af rn lolol these girls gonna produce for me like my last run,they was gorgeous guys fr,I still have flower pics of harvest,it was 3 months ago if y'all wanna see. I think I posted a few on geespot thread.

Just seen this about a reveged male plant and wondered if this is what they guy ment about the buds haveing their own tops like simular to how this hemp plant regenrated as he said suger leaves regrew into there own stem again meaning buds on buds lol .

reveging a flowering plant to creat buds ontop opf buds and bigger harvest as like he says caus ethe reveged plant had all its roots it did not take long to regrow .

 

[4our8ighty0]

Just seen this about a reveged male plant and wondered if this is what they guy ment about the buds haveing their own tops like simular to how this hemp plant regenrated as he said suger leaves regrew into there own stem again meaning buds on buds lol .

reveging a flowering plant to creat buds ontop opf buds and bigger harvest as like he says caus ethe reveged plant had all its roots it did not take long to regrow .

Yea I have tried playing w reveg many times over my grows,I've heard a lot of growth benefits from a reveg like,thicker branching and more vigorous veg growth aswell as denser nuggz and lots of other things. The issue for me is that it's only ever been practical for emergencies like lost clones or something. It can be faster than any other method to get plant from harvest to harvest but it's sooo unpredictable from plant to plant,training was a nightmare and not all genetics reveg at same rate or health...was like playing lotto and required lots more attention to see the run completed

 

[4our8ighty0]

Just seen this about a reveged male plant and wondered if this is what they guy ment about the buds haveing their own tops like simular to how this hemp plant regenrated as he said suger leaves regrew into there own stem again meaning buds on buds lol .

reveging a flowering plant to creat buds ontop opf buds and bigger harvest as like he says caus ethe reveged plant had all its roots it did not take long to regrow .

Hey have you ever seen that zombie plant ? I heard it grows very similar to a reveg plant? Idk for sure but the benefits only of reveg? Have you seen or heard of this ?

 

[4our8ighty0]

I feeling giddy this am,all the ladies looking so healthy n happy,my flower room girls canopy is almost all the same colors !! They almost ready for a hair cut and I will be shuffling the plants around to more evenly distribute the canopy. This canopy is filling out nicely but it's all leaf. I'm gonna defoliate soon and start plant training with safety pins to fill in gaps and create the base for the post veg stretch. I really love the stretch cuz it gives you a lil peek on how the girls will flower. When I shuffle and defoliate I'll take 360° and scale pics

Don't they look sooo much better ? The greens are 3 tone. I was told it's a sign of good health,more than 3 shades of green is not good and less than 3 shades of green are also not good. Light green is new growth,medium green is leaves in canopy and darkest green is the bark of older stems. Idk if this is scientific or if it's just guide lines but over time I've noticed a correlation for sure. What y'all think

 

[4our8ighty0]

I am also still waiting for package to finish renovating the right side cabinet. I been busy af but will be back on track very soon.

 

[4our8ighty0]

Look at the crevices here,like canyons lol

 

[Sativa1970]

I have also tried sand cloning but my sand began to mold over time

Sand holds a lot of organics in an anaerobic state, perfect for nasty things to grow.

Yes that's a really good idea, that could work very well,I am considering a auto cloner w misting nozzles,but I will try this air stone water method first,mainly for practicality and lack of resource requirements. I really love the idea of water method,always have but never could get speedy or healthy results reliably. The foam could even just float on top of water ? I could get a 3 or 5 gallon tote and stick 18 clones(my minimum clone requirement for my continuous harvest setup) in foam like you showed us and just float clones in water w air stones. I could treat/exchange water daily or every 3 ish days ? Maybe more ? Does water cause slowing of growth ? Will roots be as bountiful as soil method in same time frame?

I've tried most every method over the years. Have not found any that are reliably, faster or better than another. The plant only reacts to temp air and moisture. How you get there makes no difference. Fewer parts equals fewer points of failure. Foam just floats so stem is always at the same water level. If your equipment is clean with potable water and lots of air, bacteria won't easily grow. I change the water every 2-3 weeks. Bacteria is never an issue but it keeps algae in check and my tap water is naturally a fresh dose of cal mag. You want the plant to send out roots looking for food. After a few 1 inch (2.5cm) roots form you can feed light veg food. At 2 inch (5cm) roots, transfer to soil or feed hydroponic nute normally. This is when the plant grows soil or hydro specific roots. Roots grow faster and fuller in hydro than soil.

I have a few different setups depending on needs. Plastic coffee can with clear 3gal jar on top when space is an issue. Two totes. One upside down on top with exterior light fixture for a couple LED bulbs. Can set it in the flower room since it is light tight. Will take a couple pictures latter today.

reveging a flowering plant to creat buds ontop opf buds and bigger harvest

A bud is a modified branch. A miniature version of the branches that grow from the node in veg. When you reveg those branches inside the bud begin to grow vegatativly again. The original bud flower dies away off the new branches that grow out of it. Sacrificing a bud to make a branch that will form nodes to grow new buds.

Only ever done it in an emergency. Uses a lot of space, time and effort. Taking a veg cutting from clone to harvest is often faster and much easier than growing through reveg after harvest. The shock of removing 90% of the plant requires time and strength to recover.

 

[Sativa1970]

Selective defoliation no toping on pannama red.

First week in 6inch hydro netpot root growth.

The lid half of my light tight clonner. Sits on another tote.

 

[4our8ighty0]

Selective defoliation no toping on pannama red.

First week in 6inch hydro netpot root growth.

The lid half of my light tight clonner. Sits on another tote.

I am a hydro noob lol is it a wick set up ? Nice thick feeders . Is that a diy clone dome w lights nniioooce,I was thinking about switching my cloning to water n air stone !! Some one mentioned this exact clone set up to me and I was thinking of trying it out to replace soil cloning. So you only change water every few weeks ? How do you prevent bad bacteria growth in water during those times ? The lid is a genius idea bro. One tote with water n air stones put clones in and put that lid on top !! I can keep mine in my right side cabinet!!!

 

[Digipro]

Hey have you ever seen that zombie plant ? I heard it grows very similar to a reveg plant? Idk for sure but the benefits only of reveg? Have you seen or heard of this ?

No never heard if the zombie plant lol. the plants you got look lovely in the pictures i need ot take some leaves of my little ones soon.

 

[Sativa1970]

Bacteria and fungus can not easily live in an aerobic environment. As long as you keep it saturated with air, PH and temp in check it will remain "sterile". The light will start growing algae in the water since the foam is just floating. Algae will lower the O2 and shift PH allowing bacteria and fungus to grow. That's the reason I dump and clean after a few weeks. My plant res are light tight so I dump those once a month or so just to get a zeroed out point on nutes. Only time I have had root rot was when my air pump died and I was out of town for a few weeks.

Best thing bought that DIY tote cloner is it can go anywhere. No light going in or out of the box. Lights keep it warm. The U shaped pipe is a vent that can be opened if it gets hot, without letting any light out.

 

[Digipro]

Bacteria and fungus can not easily live in an aerobic environment. As long as you keep it saturated with air, PH and temp in check it will remain "sterile". The light will start growing algae in the water since the foam is just floating. Algae will lower the O2 and shift PH allowing bacteria and fungus to grow. That's the reason I dump and clean after a few weeks. My plant res are light tight so I dump those once a month or so just to get a zeroed out point on nutes. Only time I have had root rot was when my air pump died and I was out of town for a few weeks.

Best thing bought that DIY tote cloner is it can go anywhere. No light going in or out of the box. Lights keep it warm. The U shaped pipe is a vent that can be opened if it gets hot, without letting any light out.

i have just been loking for alternatives witrht he same fungi and have found a link to a site recomended by a youtube video dont know if i can post link to shop so will try find the link to the yoputube video, i am going tom get some its only £25 or $30-35 and its about ten times concnetrated so you need vewry little in a hydropinics system proably half a teaspoon on every water change or refill.

thats the product i will be getting ready for the summer coming.

in the video he says 14 bucks for his bottle so he is from the usa or canada . reason i say starBUCKS is just wasting money and CostaCoffee too lol they both got money in the name one way or another CostaBuck is my new brand of coffee and bring the price down a bit lol .

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Southern-Ag-Garden-Friendly-Fungicide/dp/B014174BZM/ref=asc_df_B014174BZM?mcid=a8f3672033163035aeba5005236020a9&tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=697268345210&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=9184085714023426578&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9046354&hvtargid=pla-306024699768&psc=1&gad_source=1

i am going the Mary popins way and going the spoon full of sugar instead of a galon of sugar lol.