Sponsored Grow: Krip Keepers Frost Fest Featuring Mars SP-250 In Mars 4' x 4' Tent
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I use my soil for at least 3 runs...sometimes 4. You should be able to do the same. Many people go even longer....
Krip,
Were you experimenting with large doses of Tea? I seem to recall that. Even so, we'd see a gradual sickening of the plants over days or weeks, not what you experienced.
I've never encountered anything like this, where they all go from happy to dead overnight.
Were you experimenting with large doses of Tea? I seem to recall that. Even so, we'd see a gradual sickening of the plants over days or weeks, not what you experienced.
I've never encountered anything like this, where they all go from happy to dead overnight.
A virus maybe?
I don't think so....we'd see a gradual decline.
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Shit happens, good luck figuring it out.
Roll with it is easier said than done i realize. Good luck Krip
First, thank you all for the sympathies (I didn't quote those!).
As for the cause, as I said in my original post, I don't believe it has anything to do with the kit but possibly something happened during the last cook or due to my heavy feedings.
I was giving high doses of everything - mixing 20ml of TP or GE with 10 ml of tea for each #10 container pretty much through every grow. I guess it's possible that final Friday feeding built up some level of toxicity in the soil, or something. I did not top-dress these 3rd round plants with either Recharge or EWC.
I did notice that this 3rd run soil didn't seem to be taking as much water as the last couple of rounds, so I was keeping a close eye on container weight and watering more frequently. At first, I thought maybe the soil had become hydrophobic due to my lighter waterings, but that doesn't seem to be the case, especially since they had just got a GE the Friday the pics were taken.
The only thing that would really make sense to me on how quickly these plants went from "awesome" to "gruesome" is environmental, like too high temps or really low RH, etc. I can't see how a virus or pests could effect things that fast. At the same time, I don't see how my environmentals could have changed during that time, either.
I did not look at the soil through a loupe but the roots did all look healthy & white.
Since I really don't know the cause on this one, I'm just going to clean & sterilize everything and start again with a fresh mix of first run soil.
And, since I had to fill those raised beds I built over the weekend, I put all the soil and dead plants in the bottom of the largest raised bed with a bunch more compost, peat moss, perlite, worm castings & rock dust on top and then planted some sweet potato slips, so we'll see what happens to those!
dynamo1
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If it's not taking as much water and you are watering more frequently, could they have drowned? no oxygen at roots
Pretty sure i would sit down and write all the facts out...in front of me . Examine every variable (as Gazoo would do..) All the facts about that grow and soil. Once everything is written out , u can start eliminating possible factors. Sorry i can't be of more help Krip. I'm not sittin good right now,..not knowing wat caused that sudden failure. .. 
limpfingerz207
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oh man i'm sorry krip :/ That really stinks and i know the feels having a crop go sideways for the worst :/
I remember one time when my room was overheated over 100 degrees when my AC failed. None of the plants except for one plant recovered poorly and ended up with laky, airy buds. For me a lesson was learned.... i had a wireless camera installed in the room so i could monitor temps/humidity whenever I'm away from home. If sh!t was to hit the fan, i'd know it, drop everything and rush home to fix the problem.
I look forward to your next run
I remember one time when my room was overheated over 100 degrees when my AC failed. None of the plants except for one plant recovered poorly and ended up with laky, airy buds. For me a lesson was learned.... i had a wireless camera installed in the room so i could monitor temps/humidity whenever I'm away from home. If sh!t was to hit the fan, i'd know it, drop everything and rush home to fix the problem.
I look forward to your next run
Your grow space doesn’t back on to a panelbeaters or anything?
I’m thinking fumes in your intake.
Here the council sometimes spray poison on berms and roadside ditches, so spraydrift?
I’m thinking fumes in your intake.
Here the council sometimes spray poison on berms and roadside ditches, so spraydrift?
HigherTheHigh
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Hey buddy what temps do those 2 sp250's run at?
I was thinking the same thing....."all bent over" and suddenly dead at the same time.....sounds like weed-killer to me.
limpfingerz207
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I can see that happening. I'd lose my shyt and go ape shyt on the town if they ever did that to me..... spraying weedkiller stuff along the road when my garage is literally 9 ft from the road.
I used to work for a pest control company and the company was sued for "spray drift" . A home owner had their pest services performed around their property and apparently the pesticide treatment had drifted onto the neighbor's property. Neighbors claimed their garden was damaged when one of the pest worker was treating around the homeowner's property. The garden was not super close to the perimeter, probably about 50 ft give or take. The company denied those claims and tests was completed around both of the property including the garden. Test results showed pesticide on the garden was caused by wind drifts. There's a law in place where no treatment can be performed when there's wind blowing (think it's over 5mph) especially near sensitive areas, therefore the pest control company was slapped with a big fine.
Kismet
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Yah that is a new one. Only time I've seen someones grow go down that quick was a buddys hydro with a power outage for 3 days. Hope you figure out what happened and sorry for your loss.Pop pop.
Lancashire farmer
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Sorry to hear this mate, losing a grow is bad but it must be rattling your head trying to think what it was. If we are completing more grows than we are losing we are still winning 
I don't think it could be the soil, it seems to fast for that.
Virus's most of the time show some stage of progression, those plants didn't look "sick" at all last week.
Its quite a puzzling one, I hope you find out what's caused your issues.
I don't think it could be the soil, it seems to fast for that.
Virus's most of the time show some stage of progression, those plants didn't look "sick" at all last week.
Its quite a puzzling one, I hope you find out what's caused your issues.
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Thanks for all the suggestions and continued support.
No, the plants were large enough and had very well-developed root systems. I just noticed run-off happening much sooner. I wasn't feeding until the pots were light.
I haven't written everything down, but, as Doc said, there are only a handful of things that can take four different, healthy plants, all down at the same time. I'm starting to think I may have overdone something on that Friday feeding. Sometimes I don't measure and just dump some product in the watering can. I can't remember if I used a syringe to measure or just did a dump, but maybe I dumped too much? However, I mix individual doses, so I would have needed to drastically overdo it on four different plants.
That would be a good call but doesn't apply in my situation. The tent is in my bedroom and intakes from the room. Central A/C and in a sub-division with no spraying going on.
I don't know what the operating temps of the lights are, but I've been keeping the temps in the tent in the low 80's. I used to shoot for mid-to-high 70's, but received some reliable advice to get the temps up to around 84*.
If I have another round like this, "Weed-Killer" is gonna' be my new screen name!
Thanks, Brother! I've always got clones ready to go and already have some White Strawberries and Pineapple Express planned for next round. Just trying to decide how many of each to run. I may do four White Strawberries and just one of the PE, but we've got time to decide.
I agree it was much too quick for a nute issue or virus. And, yeah, it did have me puzzled for several days. At this point, I've basically given up trying to figure it out. The best I can come up with is that something happened with the exhaust fan and temps got out of control for some period of time, but the fan seems to be operating normally and temps in the tent seemed fine when I discovered the plants all wilted. Since everything in my environment was pretty "dialed-in", I really wasn't monitoring that stuff too closely. I most certainly will be monitoring it close on the next run, though!
If it's not taking as much water and you are watering more frequently, could they have drowned? no oxygen at roots
No, the plants were large enough and had very well-developed root systems. I just noticed run-off happening much sooner. I wasn't feeding until the pots were light.
Pretty sure i would sit down and write all the facts out...in front of me . Examine every variable (as Gazoo would do..) All the facts about that grow and soil. Once everything is written out , u can start eliminating possible factors. Sorry i can't be of more help Krip. I'm not sittin good right now,..not knowing wat caused that sudden failure. ..
I haven't written everything down, but, as Doc said, there are only a handful of things that can take four different, healthy plants, all down at the same time. I'm starting to think I may have overdone something on that Friday feeding. Sometimes I don't measure and just dump some product in the watering can. I can't remember if I used a syringe to measure or just did a dump, but maybe I dumped too much?
However, I mix individual doses, so I would have needed to drastically overdo it on four different plants.That would be a good call but doesn't apply in my situation. The tent is in my bedroom and intakes from the room. Central A/C and in a sub-division with no spraying going on.
I don't know what the operating temps of the lights are, but I've been keeping the temps in the tent in the low 80's. I used to shoot for mid-to-high 70's, but received some reliable advice to get the temps up to around 84*.
If I have another round like this, "Weed-Killer" is gonna' be my new screen name!
Yah that is a new one. Only time I've seen someones grow go down that quick was a buddys hydro with a power outage for 3 days. Hope you figure out what happened and sorry for your loss.Pop pop.
Thanks, Brother! I've always got clones ready to go and already have some White Strawberries and Pineapple Express planned for next round. Just trying to decide how many of each to run. I may do four White Strawberries and just one of the PE, but we've got time to decide.
Sorry to hear this mate, losing a grow is bad but it must be rattling your head trying to think what it was. If we are completing more grows than we are losing we are still winning
I don't think it could be the soil, it seems to fast for that.
Virus's most of the time show some stage of progression, those plants didn't look "sick" at all last week.
Its quite a puzzling one, I hope you find out what's caused your issues.
I agree it was much too quick for a nute issue or virus. And, yeah, it did have me puzzled for several days. At this point, I've basically given up trying to figure it out. The best I can come up with is that something happened with the exhaust fan and temps got out of control for some period of time, but the fan seems to be operating normally and temps in the tent seemed fine when I discovered the plants all wilted. Since everything in my environment was pretty "dialed-in", I really wasn't monitoring that stuff too closely. I most certainly will be monitoring it close on the next run, though!
Kismet
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Makes me wonder though. Them being bonsai mothers forever. May be some funk in their roots? They got to be woody maybe? You still got their roots laying around? Maybe eyeball them? Sorry canna nerd me.
@cal45
It did. The garden is gone. Mr Krip will start again soon.
Hope you’re having a good day, cal.
It did. The garden is gone. Mr Krip will start again soon.
Hope you’re having a good day, cal.
@Mr Krip. Sorry to bang on. I don’t mean to trespass on your grief, sir.
One last thought on spray drift in the bedroom: a) have you possibly become so nose-blind from growing top shelf meds for years that you sometimes slather unholy amounts of aftershave or deodorant? , or b) does your lady friend (for example) does she like to smell “pretty”?
Those things are full of esters and aldehydes and god knows what. When my hepatitis was bad one of my wife’s friend’s would visit and it would be days before I could go in the room without nausea and headaches. That shit is real. So is self doubt. (Some donkeys could write the damn book.) You are a brilliant gardener and have been for some time. The likelihood you did something daft isn’t one (a likelihood I mean).
Sorry to go on. I dare say I’m not the only person/donkey who keeps trying to figure out wtf just happened.
One last thought on spray drift in the bedroom: a) have you possibly become so nose-blind from growing top shelf meds for years that you sometimes slather unholy amounts of aftershave or deodorant? , or b) does your lady friend (for example) does she like to smell “pretty”?
Those things are full of esters and aldehydes and god knows what. When my hepatitis was bad one of my wife’s friend’s would visit and it would be days before I could go in the room without nausea and headaches. That shit is real. So is self doubt. (Some donkeys could write the damn book.) You are a brilliant gardener and have been for some time. The likelihood you did something daft isn’t one (a likelihood I mean).
Sorry to go on. I dare say I’m not the only person/donkey who keeps trying to figure out wtf just happened.