daTenshi
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I never measured the pH or ppm, and flushed with it directly from the faucet, and things got better. Now I am not saying you shouldn't adjust the pH, should do what feels right to you girl
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I can't even pick up by the stem yet without them sliding out of the cubes.... ehh :\
Hi guys, today I did a little top dressing for all 8 outdoor plants. Just eyeballed it, some EWC, Yum Yum, azomite, and 0-10-0 bat guano. A few I watered in with rainwater, but the others aren't ready for water yet. Big Mama is going to wait for her flush til tomorrow, I'm going to do a PeeJay flush on her (15 mins soaking 3/4ths the way up the pot in clean water) once the tap water has had another day to dechlorinate. My tap isn't good. 8.0 pH consistently and hard, I don't have a PPM meter, but much harder than Denver water. I'm wondering if I should adjust pH for the flush, but I'm doubting it, largely because Big Mama is in the soil with the most peat moss and least additives I'm assuming that the pH near the roots will stay low despite the high pH tap. But I'm worried because she has the least organic matter to buffer the pH, so if I mess up by not pHing the flush water it could potentially get worse... Any advice would be appreciated, thanks!
Thanks MAN, SoulGal's reminded me of daTenshi, she was abusing infants last week, picking at seeds with her claw,
must be a girl on girl thing, us men, at least me, treat ALL ladies (from jizz or seed)
like precious, irreplaceable, family heirlooms.
Yeah I'm not going to adjust the pH... thanks for the input daTzI never measured the pH or ppm, and flushed with it directly from the faucet, and things got better. Now I am not saying you shouldn't adjust the pH, should do what feels right to you girl
LOL oh my gosh I must already be in the Twilight Zone! trichs graced my 'yard' with his hilarious presence!Washed hands with sanitizer before touching the stem , or gloves? be honest, I may have done that, but tugging on the stem with so much force that you rip all the rooty nipples off the stem (bad girl, go lie down!) and then look at it and wonder why it came out You're lucky that clones like you, I had a rooted girl in a one inch cube and I am trying to save her life now, I'm sure it was me over watering, again.
I'll learn, pklease stop tugging to see if yoy have rooots, wait until you see the white emerging from the cube, it is much more rewarding, I don't touch the stems until I see the white, just 2 cents. turned into a small rant , i'll be back
I 'll back up I am just a curious freak about seeing the present, before I back up to your girls growth progress, lol.
You throw out slow clones?? Well you're part of a collective I understand your approach, but for me, until there's no life in that clone I'm going to keep fighting for it Half my plants wouldn't exist if I threw 'em out for being slow pokes! I haven't used my root it gel yet, but glad to hear it works, and I hope your journal will be back up and going soon! and like I said above I will do my best to be patient from now onim with trichomes, pulling on the stem i wouldnt recommend. if you dont see roots in 10-14 days i would count it as a loss and a slow grower. just started another 18 clones in one of my small domes the mad farmers root it is some great gel.
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LOL omg. That's so funny.... yeah us girls can be hard on each other lol! I can imagine myself committing abuse w/ purple claw........Thanks MAN, SoulGal's reminded me of daTenshi, she was abusing infants last week, picking at seeds with her claw,
must be a girl on girl thing, us men, at least me, treat ALL ladies (from jizz or seed)
like precious, irreplaceable, family heirlooms.
Great share yourself Mr. Trichs! PeeJay and a few others may have beat you to it but its certainly rewarding to hear it reiterated from everyone who grows! I'm not worrying about pH anymore, my pH messing-with f*cked up my 2 biggest plants Mama and Lucy. Mama most though, she's still looking a bit down. I look forward to seeing those shares!Flashback, I had this discussion when Fluxy Lady was on death row in April,
it's all about the soil used, good soil will correct PH.
Lester never checks PH & grows trophy plants with hard, high PH water from his garden hose.
I'll find the shares and share the best with you , cause I like you so much
I like your plan, great shares, & yes, I'm still going backwards.
Women are STRONG! We've done it so long we can take it don't mess with us guys! We'll ninja your brains.Yea us girls enjoy abusing each other!
lmaowhat i see in that picture is clone abuse & roots in agony for the entire duration of you hanging that poor girl by her neck.
It appears that you have claws similar to dat,she'll like dat.
You have a good one their so your method is working,
Oh wow aren't I lucky? Not only do I get an answer from the Soil King himself, but I don't need to worry about any N nutes. Coolio, although I was a bit excited to do the feather meal. If its not necessary its not necessary, but perhaps I'll still make a small batch of feather meal and throw it in the composter... just for posterity's sake haha.
Is there any other basic additives you might recommend PeeJay? Or do you think some home made compost, a little (really...probably not enough) EWC, yum yum mix, azomite, jamaican bat guano, and peruvian seabird guano should cut it?
Thanks so much for gracing me with your presence here PeeJay! It is beyond valued.
Hi guys, today I did a little top dressing for all 8 outdoor plants. Just eyeballed it, some EWC, Yum Yum, azomite, and 0-10-0 bat guano. A few I watered in with rainwater, but the others aren't ready for water yet. Big Mama is going to wait for her flush til tomorrow, I'm going to do a PeeJay flush on her (15 mins soaking 3/4ths the way up the pot in clean water) once the tap water has had another day to dechlorinate. My tap isn't good. 8.0 pH consistently and hard, I don't have a PPM meter, but much harder than Denver water. I'm wondering if I should adjust pH for the flush, but I'm doubting it, largely because Big Mama is in the soil with the most peat moss and least additives I'm assuming that the pH near the roots will stay low despite the high pH tap. But I'm worried because she has the least organic matter to buffer the pH, so if I mess up by not pHing the flush water it could potentially get worse... Any advice would be appreciated, thanks!
Soil King? I don't know about that... I've just spent a lot of time thinking things through. A couple of other members are trying what I do. We'll see how it works for them. In all cases the mixes have been a little different. Reg's is drastically different. All of the mixes are based on the same principal - moving the plant into a much larger container right before switching into flower with a soil higher in phosphorous.
All of the soils are home mixed as opposed to straight out of a bag but are built on the same basic principals as high-quality bagged soils are - things like FFOF or Roots Organic. They all are built on a neutral medium, usually peat, and enriched with composted material, mineral elements, etc. Because we select our own ingredients to add to the neutral mix we have more control over the quality and characteristics of the dirt.
You'll want a neutral medium like peat, sunshine #4, or ProMix, and something to improve the drainage like perlite or lava sand, SGirl. Then you can enrich the soil with the Yum, azomite, worm castings, guanos and compost - paying some mind to the notion that there is such a thing as soil being too rich or "hot."
If your tap/well water is hard with a high pH it won't work as well for a bottom flush as clean water will. pH and PPM are two different things but related. pH that is not close to neutral is due to a high PPM. PPM is a measure of all the things dissolved in the water that are NOT water. Some of those things can cause the water to have a lower pH and some things can cause it to have a higher pH. Low pH water is an uncommon problem in drinking water, but is possible. Think acid rain where rain water picks up acidic particles as it falls from the sky.
In any event, a flush works by the simple chemical principal of diffusion. Things move from higher concentration to lower concentration. The lower the concentration of things in the flush water, the more things that are not tightly bound to soil components will be removed from the medium.
So long as the concentration of unbound stuff in the soil is higher than the concentration of stuff dissolved in the water, the flush is going to remove undesirable build-up that occurs in the soil over time as the plants and soil biota grow. They poop and pee waste into the soil just like we do. Over time unusable waste builds up. A flush gets rid of a bunch of the waste. A clean water flush is the best because it will attract and hold onto a greater amount of waste than water that already has things dissolved in it.
The water out of the tap where I live is rubbish for growing plants in containers. My solution is to fill up big water jugs from the water machines that sit outside almost every supermarket around here and is treated with activated carbon filtration and reverse osmosis. It cost $1.25 for five gallons - a fraction of buying 1 gallon jugs of water. Of course lugging two 6 gallon jerry cans of water at a time through the parking lot to the car and from the car into the house is a chore, but it's good exercise.
Adding a pH down product to water is not at all the same thing as water cleaned by distillation or reverse osmosis. Some reactions take place to change the pH. In simple terms you are doing the same thing as when you mix baking soda and vinegar. Baking soda is sodium carbonate. The things that play a large role in raising water pH are mostly carbonate compounds too, calcium carbonate, magnesium carbonate, etc. When a pH down product is added to the water it reacts with the carbonates and CO2 gas is formed that bubbles out of the water - reducing the pH. The pH down doesn't do much to reduce the PPM of the water because the other part of the carbonate compounds is left behind in the solution as a salt.
Anyway, flushing with the tap water won't be as effective as flushing with truly clean water, but it will still remove waste - just not as much.
Yeah, Lester grows some real beauties I think that experiment is a great idea For me, collecting rainwater just seems like the right sustainable thing to do, on top of how clean and pure it is - but if I run out I'm much more comfortable now using my tap. I'll be growing with much more organic pH buffers, I think its a fascinating concept that in organic growing you want your soil to be just as alive as your plant.You've got the gist of it, for sure. Water quality is an interesting issue. Lester, for example, has water with a somewhat high pH he uses to water everything without making any adjustments at all and gets great results. It kind of depends what is in the water that causes the pH to be too high and if the soil biota, soil buffering capacity and CEC can remidiate any pH issues from the water, I reckon.
Sometime I need to grow a plant and use my tap water, use drops to remove the chlorine/cholamines the city adds and see if it is worth it to lug those big jugs around.... Since I just grow a couple of plants at a time I can only do so many trials at once.
You throw out slow clones?? Well you're part of a collective I understand your approach, but for me, until there's no life in that clone I'm going to keep fighting for it Half my plants wouldn't exist if I threw 'em out for being slow pokes! I haven't used my root it gel yet, but glad to hear it works, and I hope your journal will be back up and going soon! and like I said above I will do my best to be patient from now on