SoilGirl's Indoor Organic Soil Medical Grow Journal - Mars II 1600 & Other LEDs

[SoilGirl]

I look at it this way. ACT is like sourdough starter: you are GROWING more microbes from the soil.

Kelp and sprouts are like herbal teas: you are EXTRACTING the good stuff from the sprouts and kelp.
These teas brew fast because it only takes a few minutes to soak out the good stuff.

If yum-yum is alive, you can ACT it. Multiply the benes!
If it is not a living mix, you are making liquid fertilizer from dry fertilizer (so brew quick like herbal tea.)

..... hmm. I think yum yum is mostly herbal based (alfalfa, cottonseed and kelp meals), but has some dry molasses in there, as well as some mineral additives like greensand, rock dust, rock phosphate. The humate in there worries me. salts of humic acid. ... salts of anything scare me lol. Yum Yum really is a all round organic additive, but since its not purely botanical, I worry about making a liquid fert from it.

anyways... about to do a green update.

 

[COorganics]

Steer clear of alfalfa during (especially later into) flower. Make a kelp tea for your vegging plants to get started.
Put a 1/4 cup of kelp into a five gallon pail and stir it when you can. 24-48 hours later, strain, apply liquid to soil, put leftover kelp meal in your worm bin. Dig the plants reaction.

 

[COorganics]

I'd compost the yum yum, then feed that compost to your worms, use the compost calculator and play around with free inputs you have lying around at your house. Try to get a ratio of 30:1 carbon to nitrogen or close, and put all your yum yum in there.

This is my favorite compost calculator, of the ones I tried.
Compost Mix Calculator

 

[Radogast]

Steer clear of alfalfa during (especially later into) flower. Make a kelp tea for your vegging plants to get started.
Put a 1/4 cup of kelp into a five gallon pail and stir it when you can. 24-48 hours later, strain, apply liquid to soil, put leftover kelp meal in your worm bin. Dig the plants reaction.

I've seen the 24-48 hour recommendation, but it doesn't make any sense to me.

Oils are slow to infuse, but I didn't think water took that long.
I suppose I am used to hot water teas.

 

[36Gr0w]

I used an alfalfa brew late in flower and it seemed to provoke foxtailing. Could be coincidental; my readings have told me not to use it that late(didn't know) and I won't again.

*edit* I would like to experiment with alfalfa earlier into flower, and of course while vegging. I'm sure of course Co and SG know, but TRIA is interesting reading.

 

[SoilGirl]

The Green Update!!

let's start small: these three clones in veg got topped today to keep height under control.

CK#1 Clone (Veg Day 14) (the less stunted one)

RCB Clone (Veg Day 11)

Dinafem Diesel Clone (Veg Day 20)

This one was fimmed on accident, but has two tops trying to take over currently.

Blue Blood Clone Flux in an LOS No-Till! (Veg Day 11)

boring really, just waiting for some limbs to grow up so I can tie them down. Healthy though!

hahaha - and just to switch it up, Aloe went under my handy old SS 90w GrowUFO. and...actually is really perking up. Yay! - and if I do say so myself... aloe actually wears the pink well! - certainly better than cannabis IMHO.

Blue Blood mother! (Sprouted: 11/10/14)

a touch of light burn, but otherwise really thriving, even in a pretty small container! (probably 2 gal)
- and guys, while this one never smelled before... it smells so deep and fruity all of a sudden... in that sort of sweet-rotting-fruit way characteristic to Blueberry strains. It's so exotic, never had this smell come from anything I've grown. And it's much much stronger than all the Blueberry's I've bought at dispensaries - although the earthy side of it reminds me of hindu kush. just, god.... This is gonna be an amazing strain I can tell, can't wait to flower it.

Now the part I suspect you guys will like best... a green take on my older flowering plants.

Ghost OG! (Sprouted: 10/17/14 - Day 19 Flowering)

Mrs. Stretch as I call her >.< I'm going to have to lower her or raise the lights because of her, a couple of her branches are 13 inches away from the Mars II >.< I'll figure that out tomorrow... Today it annoyed me too much that I'd have to re-arrange the whole stand setup they're on.

I'm considering just letting her keep reaching towards the light like she wants - all of my other plants are in the right area so... why the fuss... any one else wanna way in? I'd appreciate it. So far - the proximity to the light doesn't seem to be damaging anything, and defol is keeping shade from becoming a big problem.

OG Kush PR! (Sprouted: 10/20/14, Day 19 Flowering

Dedol'ed some upper leaves and did some hand training as usual today, this is what she looked like just after finishing.

Black Bubba Kush Weirdo Flux! (Back from the DCS 10-25-14, Day 19 Flowering)

Coming back from my harsh defol, and actually finally starting to get some flowering going. She was the slowest, showing the least pistils. (After that SST things have really picked up noticeably... coincidence, I think not)

Corleone Kush #1 Flux! (Sprouted: 10-08-14, Flowering Day 19)

Tied down one limb just a little today, and you can probably tell which one lol. just to open it up a touch and release it in a couple days. and...when I looked closer at the pistils... something odd. purple. Never seen it before on my flowers. Only the slightest tiniest bit as of now but, I expect to see more of it, after all I can barely heat my garage, last night's low was 63 again despite the heat. Oh well. anything above 60 - I'm happy. Actually very exciting! I love natural coloring to buds.

This one is the fastest flowering so far. - also picking up since the SST.

Corleone Kush #2! (Sprouted 10-15-14 but w/ early stunt - Day 19 Flowering)

We haven't looked closely at this one lately... but it's really turned a new leaf so to speak lol. Looks the picture of health, although, very different from the rest of my plants... this one is totally unkempt and wild. Not gonna worry about trimming low growth or defol. Just wanna see what happens.

And here's some random green flowering pics I snapped right before leaving

Thanks for coming by lol! Now you can judge for yourselves how healthy my plants are. I for one am never going back to bottled nutrients of any kind. I can pick up on so much more individuality in each one, whether it's how they look, grow, or smell, than I've ever been able to before. Come to the light side of the force my friends, go no bottles organic!!

 

[36Gr0w]

SG, do you defol early to reduce stretching?

Great update, thanks for the greenery.

 

[Teddy Edwards]

Wonderful update, Soil Girl. Great timing too - a Greek coffee and your greenery is the breakfast of champions.

As for your Ghost OG, as you know my three are at pretty much the same stage and now about a foot from the LED. No ill effects - in fact quite the opposite. The only way I can raise it further now is by winding the wires around the tent's central support bar. I'm going to try this later, in order to increase the coverage for the side shoots. But actual proximity to the light panel seems at the moment absolutely no problem.


PS Exciting news over at my place on LOS that will please you.

 

[SoilGirl]

Steer clear of alfalfa during (especially later into) flower. Make a kelp tea for your vegging plants to get started.
Put a 1/4 cup of kelp into a five gallon pail and stir it when you can. 24-48 hours later, strain, apply liquid to soil, put leftover kelp meal in your worm bin. Dig the plants reaction.

Awesome recipe! Definitely going to remember this and use it.

I'd compost the yum yum, then feed that compost to your worms, use the compost calculator and play around with free inputs you have lying around at your house. Try to get a ratio of 30:1 carbon to nitrogen or close, and put all your yum yum in there.

This is my favorite compost calculator, of the ones I tried.
Compost Mix Calculator

Thanks CO! I think it will make a great compost amendment! Actually when I mixed in my leaves to my worm bins I added a couple tablespoons.. shouldn't hurt right? I will definitely be composting my yum yum from now on, and I'm going to start a whole new compost bin soon so I'm saving that calculator. It's time I had some top notch home made compost. Great share you rock!

I've seen the 24-48 hour recommendation, but it doesn't make any sense to me.

Oils are slow to infuse, but I didn't think water took that long.
I suppose I am used to hot water teas.

Hahahaha another thing I was wondering... what about brewing a hot kelp tea LOL? would that make it go faster? I mean if you're only extracting the good things shouldn't heat help? Or are you extracting anything that's alive and heat could kill?

I used an alfalfa brew late in flower and it seemed to provoke foxtailing. Could be coincidental; my readings have told me not to use it that late(didn't know) and I won't again.

*edit* I would like to experiment with alfalfa earlier into flower, and of course while vegging. I'm sure of course Co and SG know, but TRIA is interesting reading.

Definitely will watch out on alfalfa teas during flower.... and at risk of sounding like a simpleton what is TRIA? - hey if its good reading I'm interested.

 

[SoilGirl]

SG, do you defol early to reduce stretching?

Great update, thanks for the greenery.

uhmm sometimes I defol early, but not with that in mind, just to let light penetrate further - I'm definitely going to have to do that in the future though makes sense lol... especially for GOG's clone! Thanks for coming by! I don't have any set plan for all of my plants honesty, each of them has been trained/defol'ed quite differently. I kinda go by instinct and am constantly defoling it seems nowadays for one plant or another. You're very welcome, and thank you!

Wonderful update, Soil Girl. Great timing too - a Greek coffee and your greenery is the breakfast of champions.

As for your Ghost OG, as you know my three are at pretty much the same stage and now about a foot from the LED. No ill effects - in fact quite the opposite. The only way I can raise it further now is by winding the wires around the tent's central support bar. I'm going to try this later, in order to increase the coverage for the side shoots. But actual proximity to the light panel seems at the moment absolutely no problem.


PS Exciting news over at my place on LOS that will please you.

Thanks so much Mr. Teddy I'm glad you liked that! I had fun taking the pics! And thanks so much for the input about that, I'm not sure whether I'll be raising or lowering anything haha. If GOG wants to reach for the stars then, I guess she can go for it who am I to say no while it's working out fine. key word while. lol.

And oh?? I definitely want to see this thanks for letting me know! Be right there!

 

[36Gr0w]

triacontanol

Alfalfa tea won't deliver it I don't believe, but the alfalfa in the soil with mulches and teas I believe did me in, in regards to foxtailing.

 

[B A R]

McD's

 

[SweetSue]

Steer clear of alfalfa during (especially later into) flower. Make a kelp tea for your vegging plants to get started.
Put a 1/4 cup of kelp into a five gallon pail and stir it when you can. 24-48 hours later, strain, apply liquid to soil, put leftover kelp meal in your worm bin. Dig the plants reaction.

Yeah, I neglected to strain mine. I'll remember that the next time. I also forgot to give the worm bins a taste. Thanks for the reminder CO.

 

[SweetSue]

Yeah, he did say about 1/4 inch tail is what you want & store bought bean sprouts are anywhere from 1 to 2 inches long. So are you saying I can use regular old school jarred, un-popped popcorn & if so or even if I have to get organic corn how exactly do I go about sprouting it?

This is exactly what I'm doing now Reg. Organic popcorn from the grocery, soaked and rinsed until they sprout. So easy you won't believe it. Tomorrow I'll purée, dilute and water. I hear Walmart sells organic popcorn. I had to look but I finally found some in my neighborhood.

 

[Radogast]

Lovely update, but I wonder about your attitude towards Ghost OG.

GOG looks like a lovely girl behaving well. Why are you threatening her with the sawsall?

 

[B A R]

Thanxx Sue...

 

[SoilGirl]

triacontanol

Alfalfa tea won't deliver it I don't believe, but the alfalfa in the soil with mulches and teas I believe did me in, in regards to foxtailing.

Hmm idk though that the alfalfa in the soil's to blame, I've dressed with yum yum mix pretty late and early in flowering, never seemed to do any harm. In my personal experience, foxtailing usually has a lot to do with lighting, heat, and strain, but I suppose too much alfalfa tea in flower could probably do it. and now that I know about it, backbuilding as taught by LA can prevent foxtailing to some degree, might wanna check that out!

McD's

Lol Reg thanks! - but your dang new catch phrase makes me want a big mac and I've been on a diet pretty much since you started using it !! -.-

Yeah, I neglected to strain mine. I'll remember that the next time. I also forgot to give the worm bins a taste. Thanks for the reminder CO.

waste not want not

This is exactly what I'm doing now Reg. Organic popcorn from the grocery, soaked and rinsed until they sprout. So easy you won't believe it. Tomorrow I'll purée, dilute and water. I hear Walmart sells organic popcorn. I had to look but I finally found some in my neighborhood.

- I'm going to find some organic popcorn as well, although I'm noticing great things just from the tea I made! I'd rather not use all my top cover and cannabis seeds for that though haha >.< but for a temporary fix, just about any seeds will do. I wonder if sunflower seeds are any good, I know we have plenty of those from our sunflowers haha, as organic as it gets, we never planted them!

Lovely update, but I wonder about your attitude towards Ghost OG.

GOG looks like a lovely girl behaving well. Why are you threatening her with the sawsall?

omg too funny Rado. She was getting too stretchy. I warned her -.-

 

[B A R]

Oh, I'm sorry SoulGirl. It wasn't my intention to get you sandwich pheining.
I'm lovin it! Is that better?

 

[SoilGirl]

Oh, I'm sorry SoulGirl. It wasn't my intention to get you sandwich pheining.
I'm lovin it! Is that better?

I suppose so Reg - I guess I'll take whatever I can get

oh and everyone else, I was listening to Clackamas Coot on the Adam Dunn Show and I wanted to share a quote that I think many could find very useful.

"If you have Gnats, throw in 3 tablespoons of Neem Meal/Cake as a top dressing with a tablespoon of Kelp meal, top with some worm castings, water in with some aloe vera juice, and you're done, its over. Gnats/soil pests gone." --- Clackamas Coots

I'm not just making this stuff up, really - CC is very credible. If... a little lengthy to listen to on the radio. - he really spent years perfecting his LOS approach. Worth looking into anyways. I can vouch for his ways, although I still have teeming swarms of gnats in my worm bins, they're mostly leaving my cannabis alone, except one or two. plus my predatory mites are TEEMING lately. Just...Everywhere. I have a real jungle grow. Its a bug eat bug plant eat plant system

 

[MedFarmer]

Late to the show as usual.

Everything seems to be going well SoilGirl. Keep up the good work.

I'm interested to see how your 'Blue Blood' comes out as I've got some vegging at the moment for a PTSD sufferer.

I'm going organic on my next grow and I'm currently using compost teas to feed my NLxBB which are being Fluxed as you've seen.

I couldn't read the whole thread as it's too long now, but what have you got growing in the pots with your girls?