SOGgy Daze Ahead For Mr. Krip!

[Mr. Krip]

Good call on the Mango seeds Mr. Krip, I have some dried and frozen for about a month now.

Fat heads and good looking start on the next group

Sisco, thanks, Bro!

Did you dry your seeds before freezing, and if so, for how long?

I was wondering if I should have let the seeds "dry out" some more by storing them in a warmer environment before putting them in the freezer, but I figured the bud it came from had been harvested a month or two earlier and I guessed it was probably sufficient for freezing since it was probably close to what would happen in nature.

But, I have NO experience with "fresh" seeds, so any advice is welcome.

 

[Siscokid]

Yes, I dried the seeds on the plants for 7 days then I put them in my sock drawer for another 2 weeks before putting them in a glass vile and in the freezer.

 

[Mr. Krip]

I'm baaaaack!

Hey Mr. K!

How the hell are ya? I see that you are still at it and producing at your usual high standards! How is your Turbo Klone doing?

I'm back and posting having just completed my GDP and Blue Cheese cloning session to produce the plants for this season's outdoor grow.

Just wanted to let all my grow buddies know that I am back, and I hope to see ya over there soon!

Looking forward to another year of info exchange and friendly competition for the best looking plants!

Talk to ya soon!

GG7!!!!!!!!!

I'm REALLY happy to see you back, and back at it!

I actually (temporarily) abandoned the TK a few months ago. I started having a bunch of problems with cloning so went back to my proven method of Rockwool and still had problems until I added a humidity dome again. I had used a smaller, "improvised" humidity dome when I was taking clones one or two at-a-time. But, when I started taking 8-10 at-a-time for the SOG, I had left out this important component.

I'm gonna do the next round of clones in Rapid Rooters and will probably use them for a while, if they prove as good or better than the rockwool, but, I do plan on giving the TK another try once I build up a nice "reserve" stash and am less concerend with rapidly filling the tent.

I do believe I'll get great results with the TK one I get the humidity dome for it. They make one, but it wasn't available at the hydro store at the time I purchased the TK and, based on having similar results initially with the rockwool, I think not having the humidity dome was the primary reasons for my cloning problems in the TK, although, I do believe heat was a factor, also.

I'm looking forward to seeing your grow this year. You always have beautiful outdoor pics and are a wealth of knowledge that we can all learn from.

Anyone who hasn't seen GG7's journals, should definately check them out!

Anyways, it's good to have you back!

 

[Mr. Krip]

Yes, I dried the seeds on the plants for 7 days then I put them in my sock drawer for another 2 weeks before putting them in a glass vile and in the freezer.

Thanks, Bro! I probably should have let them dry for a while longer, too. They were probably drying for at least a couple of weeks, but they were pretty much inside the bud the entire time, and then, I had them soaking in a glass of water for up to 24 hours. But, maybe they'll be OK? Too late to stress about it now!

 

[Goldengoose7]

GG7!!!!!!!!!

I'm REALLY happy to see you back, and back at it!

I actually (temporarily) abandoned the TK a few months ago. I started having a bunch of problems with cloning so went back to my proven method of Rockwool and still had problems until I added a humidity dome again. I had used a smaller, "improvised" humidity dome when I was taking clones one or two at-a-time. But, when I started taking 8-10 at-a-time for the SOG, I had left out this important component.

I'm gonna do the next round of clones in Rapid Rooters and will probably use them for a while, if they prove as good or better than the rockwool, but, I do plan on giving the TK another try once I build up a nice "reserve" stash and am less concerend with rapidly filling the tent.

I do believe I'll get great results with the TK one I get the humidity dome for it. They make one, but it wasn't available at the hydro store at the time I purchased the TK and, based on having similar results initially with the rockwool, I think not having the humidity dome was the primary reasons for my cloning problems in the TK, although, I do believe heat was a factor, also.

I'm looking forward to seeing your grow this year. You always have beautiful outdoor pics and are a wealth of knowledge that we can all learn from.

Anyone who hasn't seen GG7's journals, should definately check them out!

Anyways, it's good to have you back!

Hey Mr. K!

Sorry to hear about the problems with your TK! I bought a humidity dome for mine on day one and I always use that for the first 5-7 days when I start a new session. I have found that it helps to keep the cuttings from wilting under the heat of the lights, and gives them the time to get stable in their new environment.

I mist the cuttings and the inside of the dome every morning during that first week, and by about day #8 you can usually take off the dome and the plants will be fine.

Thanks for the warm welcome back and I will look forward to getting your input on my joural as well!

Talk to ya soon!

 

[Alaskan1]

Those are some sick plants you have there! Makes me envious!
Congrats on the grow Mr Krip!

 

[OldMedMan]

I would be showing those girls off too. Beautiful.

 

[Xlr8]

You're getting some really nice size on those, Mr. Krip. They look fantastic!

 

[420fied]

Mouth watering. Very nice Mr. K!

 

[Mr. Krip]

Hey Mr. K!

Sorry to hear about the problems with your TK! I bought a humidity dome for mine on day one and I always use that for the first 5-7 days when I start a new session. I have found that it helps to keep the cuttings from wilting under the heat of the lights, and gives them the time to get stable in their new environment.

I mist the cuttings and the inside of the dome every morning during that first week, and by about day #8 you can usually take off the dome and the plants will be fine.

Thanks for the warm welcome back and I will look forward to getting your input on my joural as well!

Talk to ya soon!

Thanks, GG7! I've actually had better results (personally) by NOT misting the clones, at all.

I do mist the inside of the humidity dome, and when they start drying out, I spray the BOTTOMS of the cubes.

I found I had problems with the tops rotting when I was spraying the clones directly, but, I believe a large part of the issue was that I do not use R/O water, so who knows what I was spraying them with?

 

[Mr. Krip]

Those are some sick plants you have there! Makes me envious!
Congrats on the grow Mr Krip!

I would be showing those girls off too. Beautiful.

You're getting some really nice size on those, Mr. Krip. They look fantastic!

Mouth watering. Very nice Mr. K!

Thanks, Bro's!
We're getting there & that Lucy pheno I've got definately produces some fat colas!

 

[Mr. Krip]

QUICK UPDATE - NO PICS

It's been a busy day at the grow today and I apologize for not taking any pics, but more pics will be coming soon enough, I promise!

First, I did some "routine maintenance" on the bonsai moms today and the only thing I really regret not taking pics of are the bonsais, so I'll have to get some pics of those up before I take the next set of clones.

The best looking bonsai mom, so far, IMHO, is the newest Lucy mom.

The other moms were forced to grow pretty short as I was frantically taking clones from them trying to fill up the tent. The newest Lucy got a chance to really grow out nicely, plus I'm sure the additional experience I have hasn't hurt, either, so I guess it makes some sense the my most recent is my best.

I also moved another Lucy clone into the flower tent, which brought the total in there up to 19 plants.

But, then I gave the four oldest girls one last watering with plain PH'd H2O and moved them into the clone side of the cab, which is currently dark, with no clones rooting. So, the total in Flower is now 15 plants.

I have another 11 Lucy & Pineapple Express clones that are fully rooted, nine of which will go to fill up the tent and the two weakest will be culled.

I'll harvest the four plants I moved out of the flower tent today on Sunday, which will be day #72 since starting 12/12. Then, the next four plants will be harvested in the third week in April.

So, I'll be taking some more clones Sunday, or early next week, after trimming & hanging the harvest from this weekend.

I will be sure to take & post some good pics of the harvest & trim on Sunday.

Have a great weekend & Happy Harvests!

K

 

[Goldengoose7]

Looking forward to seeing the harvest photos and your trimmed buds!

 

[Vapedogg223]

Thanks, GG7! I've actually had better results (personally) by NOT misting the clones, at all.

I do mist the inside of the humidity dome, and when they start drying out, I spray the BOTTOMS of the cubes.

I found I had problems with the tops rotting when I was spraying the clones directly, but, I believe a large part of the issue was that I do not use R/O water, so who knows what I was spraying them with?

I can't remember if you detailed your methods with the TK or not. Please forgive me if you went over this already, I was probably stoned when I read it, but just thought I would offer some info from my limited experience from using a DIY aero cloner.

The things that I thought seemed to make the biggest improvement when it came to my success rate were:

1. Using a cloning gel, and letting the plants sit in the collar with the gel on them without the machine running, until it was full... usually about 1/2 hour for me.

2. Cooler water temps.

3. Keeping the pump on 24/7.

Cloning is one of those things though, where one guys techniques for a 100% success rate only yields 50% for someone else...obviously something different is happening that we're probably not aware of...could be water, environment, the types of bacteria present on the mother, etc.

 

[Mr. Krip]

I can't remember if you detailed your methods with the TK or not. Please forgive me if you went over this already, I was probably stoned when I read it, but just thought I would offer some info from my limited experience from using a DIY aero cloner.

The things that I thought seemed to make the biggest improvement when it came to my success rate were:

1. Using a cloning gel, and letting the plants sit in the collar with the gel on them without the machine running, until it was full... usually about 1/2 hour for me.

2. Cooler water temps.

3. Keeping the pump on 24/7.

Cloning is one of those things though, where one guys techniques for a 100% success rate only yields 50% for someone else...obviously something different is happening that we're probably not aware of...could be water, environment, the types of bacteria present on the mother, etc.

Vape, yes, I did detail the methods and issues I had, but no problem if you missed or don't remember, since I have the same issue with all these journals to follow!

Everything you said is great advice; and I am familliar with all three points and agree 420%, and to an extent, all were issues...

First, I only have the cloning powder, not the gel, so I didn't use any because the powder can clog the sprayers on the cloner. I know I could have bought some of the gel, and have seen people swear by it, but also saw enough people having success without it that, while I believe it does help, I don't believe it's really needed to have "good" success.

Numbers 2 and 3 in your post above were real problems for me, and along with misting the plants regularly because I didn't have a humidity dome, I believe temps were my biggest problem.

Where I live, room temps rarely get below 75* F, even in the winter. And, I purchased the new/smaller TK-24 which holds almost exactly two gallons of water, depending on how you judge the "fill line".

So, within a couple of days, between cab temps of 78* and the submersible pump, water temps would get to over 80*F. I was running the timer 50 seconds on and 250 seconds off, so running it 24x7 would have made it even worse.

I did start adding frozen water bottles to the res, but that was a PITA having to switch out twice a day, and yes, I'm aware I COULD get a chiller, but that takes space, electric, and the cost of a chiller buys a LOT of rockwool and Rapid Rooters!

In general, hydro isn't a great performer in high temps, but I thought I could get away with it with the TK because I've had such great success with the Waterfarms, but the Waterfarms had external air pumps (not submersible water pumps), plus, in addiition to the drip rings, the Waterfarms had airstones in the res.

I'll probably get back to the TK at some point and I do believe it's a great cloner, but my real objective was/is getting the cab full of great meds as quickly as possible and I didn't (and still don't!) want to get involved in a "cloner project".

I do appreciate the great input, though, and it's valuable advice for anyone with a cloner!

 

[Vapedogg223]

Vape, yes, I did detail the methods and issues I had, but no problem if you missed or don't remember, since I have the same issue with all these journals to follow!

Everything you said is great advice; and I am familliar with all three points and agree 420%, and to an extent, all were issues...

First, I only have the cloning powder, not the gel, so I didn't use any because the powder can clog the sprayers on the cloner. I know I could have bought some of the gel, and have seen people swear by it, but also saw enough people having success without it that, while I believe it does help, I don't believe it's really needed to have "good" success.

Numbers 2 and 3 in your post above were real problems for me, and along with misting the plants regularly because I didn't have a humidity dome, I believe temps were my biggest problem.

Where I live, room temps rarely get below 75* F, even in the winter. And, I purchased the new/smaller TK-24 which holds almost exactly two gallons of water, depending on how you judge the "fill line".

So, within a couple of days, between cab temps of 78* and the submersible pump, water temps would get to over 80*F. I was running the timer 50 seconds on and 250 seconds off, so running it 24x7 would have made it even worse.

I did start adding frozen water bottles to the res, but that was a PITA having to switch out twice a day, and yes, I'm aware I COULD get a chiller, but that takes space, electric, and the cost of a chiller buys a LOT of rockwool and Rapid Rooters!

In general, hydro isn't a great performer in high temps, but I thought I could get away with it with the TK because I've had such great success with the Waterfarms, but the Waterfarms had external air pumps (not submersible water pumps), plus, in addiition to the drip rings, the Waterfarms had airstones in the res.

I'll probably get back to the TK at some point and I do believe it's a great cloner, but my real objective was/is getting the cab full of great meds as quickly as possible and I didn't (and still don't!) want to get involved in a "cloner project".

I do appreciate the great input, though, and it's valuable advice for anyone with a cloner!

Sorry about that bro! Now I know why you switched! It sounds like you're right on top of it, and have already tried everything I would have thought of, and then some! It also sounds like your conditions would lend themselves more to cloning with rock wool, or Rapid Rooters.

I know your style well enough that I thought you must have gone over it...I just didn't want something to go unsaid on my assumption. Still wondering though... how all that got past me...

I really appreciate the detailed answer...but I feel kind of bad making you go through all that! Feel free to tell me "I already discussed that, go back and look!" anytime brother!

Again!

 

[Goldengoose7]

You definitely need to use cloning gel. I do the same thing that Vape suggested and leave it on without the pump running as I fill up the cloner. I use Clonex gel as I have found it to be the best overall and it stays on the stems longest even with the pump going. Eventually, all that comes off and into the water and this is the only nutrients that the cuttings get for the first 8 days or so.

At day 9 I add some Clonex cloning "solution" "180 mil for 4.5 gallons", and once I start seeing the stems turning white and the first signs of root buds, I add 3 mil of Roots Excelerator.

I can see why you had problems, cause without the rooting hormone in the water, the cuttings will not get the push they need and will also have nothing to sustain them during the process.

 

[Mr. Krip]

Sorry about that bro! Now I know why you switched! It sounds like you're right on top of it, and have already tried everything I would have thought of, and then some! It also sounds like your conditions would lend themselves more to cloning with rock wool, or Rapid Rooters.

I know your style well enough that I thought you must have gone over it...I just didn't want something to go unsaid on my assumption. Still wondering though... how all that got past me...

I really appreciate the detailed answer...but I feel kind of bad making you go through all that! Feel free to tell me "I already discussed that, go back and look!" anytime brother!

Again!

It's all good, Bro!

I wouldn't tell you to just go back and look for it without giving you a link, and for that, I would have had to look for it, so it was easy just to review!

 

[Mr. Krip]

You definitely need to use cloning gel. I do the same thing that Vape suggested and leave it on without the pump running as I fill up the cloner. I use Clonex gel as I have found it to be the best overall and it stays on the stems longest even with the pump going. Eventually, all that comes off and into the water and this is the only nutrients that the cuttings get for the first 8 days or so.

At day 9 I add some Clonex cloning "solution" "180 mil for 4.5 gallons", and once I start seeing the stems turning white and the first signs of root buds, I add 3 mil of Roots Excelerator.

I can see why you had problems, cause without the rooting hormone in the water, the cuttings will not get the push they need and will also have nothing to sustain them during the process.

Thanks, GG7! Believe me, I studied your cloning method with the TK in great detail - before and after I purchased the TK and numerous time when I was having issues.

Again, I agree the rooting hormone would have helped, and I know it's a big part of 420fied's cloning technique, so I'd even go so far as to recommend it. But, I don't think it would have helped enough to overcome the high temps. I should have been able to get better results even without rooting hormone.

 

[Xlr8]

I've been getting clones rooting nicely, routinely, with rapid rooter plugs in 7-8 days depending on the strain and the cutting (lower cuts seem to root faster). SO easy, I scrapped my cloner project before I started it. I figured, why make it more complicated? I'm pretty new to cloning so easy fits my style nicely at the moment.