SOGgy Daze Ahead For Mr. Krip!

Wow! :thedoubletake:

I never thought that post on coco would evoke such a heated discussion! I just thought the article had some good info worth sharing here, so let's try to look at it a little objectively.

First, remember I'm the guy that hasn't used coco, so these are my thoughts and only based on personal experiences NOT involving coco:

1) Like any other article, list of tips or growing style, it represents only the author's opinions. As individual growers we can decide if we want to follow any, all, or none of the author's recommendations. But, I do believe hearing all opinions and experiences are valuable, including the follow-on discussion the article evoked.

2) There's no arguing with success and no reason to change a successful method you're happy with. Propa clearly has very successful grows without following the author's recommendations, but I don't believe that would make either one of them "wrong". As growers, we all find our own "formulas" for success based on growing style, environment, nutes, light types and cycles, and other processes and procedures. And, we all adapt (or should!) based on our personal experiences, successes, and failures.

So, for example, the author states that coco holds salts and should be flushed regularly. Propa disagrees and has had success without regular flushing. So, who's right?

Well, I can't argue with either one. But, I can theorize that, assuming you're in a drain-to-waste system and water with 20% runoff, it would take much longer for any salt build-up to occur. Also, the fact that we're typically only keeping plants for 90-120 days would also help minimize the chances of salt build-up from occurring. But, I can envision a situation where the grow is not in a drain-to-waste system, and the plant is being kept in veg for an extended period of time, and the flushing would be more important.

3) The author also cautions on overwatering with coco and the importance of maintaining proper PH. I'm quite sure overwatering would be less of an issue with hempy, but I can also easily envision a scenario where coco could be overwatered, just as soil or rockwool can be overwatered. And, proper PH should be checked/maintained regardless of the medium.

4) The only other tips given in the article are suggestions to use a root zone product and digestive enzyme. I don't read these as requirements, but can certainly understand how they may help avoid issues.

So, in short, I really don't see anything extremely "radical" in the article, I do believe it has some very good info, but I don't believe it's the "do-all/end-all" guide to growing in coco.

There appear to be a good number of growers here on 420 having great success using BPN nutes in coco hempys without necessarily following all of the suggestions provided in the article.

Like any other set of growing tips, take it with a "grain of salt" (:rofl:), see what other successful growers are doing, and develop a style that works for you.

Happy Harvests!

K

P.S. I PM'd Corey at BPN and asked him to provide his comments/input to the discussion if he felt he had anything he could add. I specifically told him I was NOT looking for him to defend the article, but to simply provide his expert insight/knowledge.
 
To call me stubborn would be a somewhat understatement. I get downtown obdurate at times. Throughout my life, teamwork has not played a part in my happiest moments, nor in the many little successes that I've managed. Too, my epic failures were mine; planned, conducted, and payed for... oh, my!

I have a point: I ranted here the truth as I see it, but perhaps a bit out of place.
Like Phil Hellmuth does, as many poker fans have enjoyed :)

Thanks for your understanding and tolerance, Mr Krip.
I'll continue to improve on my battlezone selection process, as best I can.
 
To call me stubborn would be a somewhat understatement. I get downtown obdurate at times. Throughout my life, teamwork has not played a part in my happiest moments, nor in the many little successes that I've managed. Too, my epic failures were mine; planned, conducted, and payed for... oh, my!

I have a point: I ranted here the truth as I see it, but perhaps a bit out of place.
Like Phil Hellmuth does, as many poker fans have enjoyed :)

Thanks for your understanding and tolerance, Mr Krip.
I'll continue to improve on my battlezone selection process, as best I can.

It's all good, Brother! :high-five:

We all recognize and appreciate your growing skills, and value your ideas & input. We all have "off moments" and any of yours are easily overlooked.

The only battlezone here on :420: is the one we all share for increasing cannabis awareness and improving our skills as growers, and we're all on the same side in that battle! :Namaste:
 
My opinion on COCO COIR:

I hate to admit this, but my experience with coco coir is seriously lacking. I am an expert (extra spurt, if there is such a thing I guess) in plant nutrition. I am constantly expanding my knowledge of different growing techniques and will continue to do so until I die.

Anyway, I have NEVER grown a thing in coco. Soil, DWC, drain to waste and a few other hydroponic techniques are what I do best. Hell, I have never grown in hempy's and I have relied on 420fied's knowledge and expertise to formulate my advice I give folks on their feeding regimes in hempys. Thanks 420fied, you da man!
I have relied on feedback from many, many, many cannabis growers (from hobbyist to commercial) to formulate my products to be great in coco.....still formulating to make them better as I am never satisfied...Stay TUNED. I am only after results. I could pick apart that article and throw some big words around to make me seem more knowledgeable than I am but I don't really want to do that.

So, all I want to add to this discussion (since my name was brought up) :) :) :) is that I am constantly learning....thanks for that guys! We are all in this together!

IMHO, coco specific nutrients are indeed a sales gimmick.....
One aspect of coco I am aware of is that the different brands vary in quality and consistency which will confound many aspects of its use and abuse.

So here goes my sales pitch (Sorry Propagator)...BUY BPN! IT GROWS HUGE DANK COLAS IN COCO COIR :)

Seriously though, can't we all get along? I'm very sleepy and I'm out of ganj and very cranky...by choice since I am going on a THC break...for a month now...I have an iron will because my access to it is very excessive.

Sorry if I disappointed anyone with my lack of coco coir coco puffs puff pass ;)

I'm rambling....have a good night folks. I love you all :Namaste:
 
Damn this is a good journal!

cant wait to see what corey says...
By the way Corey
IF YOUR OUT THERE
I GOT A HUGE ORDER COMMIN UR WAY!


thanks for being a great sponsor BPN!
thanks for this awesome journal Krip!

Thanks, Brother!

I know BPN will appreciate your order and, as you can see, he's more than just a sponsor here. He's a real valuable member of the community! :adore:

He was pretty up-front about his lack of coco experience, but as he noted, when it comes to nutes, he is the "extra spurt" and his knowlege and support are far above the "average" sponsor".
 
I just spent literally all day reading your journal from start to finish and major reps for you my homie!! I am green as green can be to growing MMJ, but I am all in. I just want to also let you know that I am thinking very hard on getting set up, pretty much how you are. Everything looks great and cant wait to keep following you!! :thankyou::goodjob::cheertwo:

Thanks Mikey! :thankyou:

I appreciate the dedication! I highly recommend you checkout 420fied's SOG journals. He's really the "SOG Master" and, although I've somewhat adapted his style, in many ways, his process is much more efficient.

In fact, I was going to do a post at some point explaining in detail how his SOG style is superior, although, mine has some benefits.

The short version is that I'm somewhat limited on space and want to be able to maintain multiple strains in a perpetual since I don't have easy access to seeds or clones.

As a result, I chose to maintain multiple Bonsai mom's, instead of just one (or two) larger mothers.

So, because my moms are smaller, the clones are smaller, and require a week or two of veg before I can put them in flower.

420fied can take bigger clones, then basically put them right into flower as soon as they root, so he eliminates 1-2 weeks of veg time.

His SOG is definately much more "tuned" for high production, but I'm not unhappy with the sacrafices made to maintain the multiple strains in the limited space I'm working with.

Let us know when you get your journal up and there are many people here on :420: (myself included!) who are happy to help with any questions you have. :Namaste:
 
Thanks Mikey! :thankyou:

I appreciate the dedication! I highly recommend you checkout 420fied's SOG journals. He's really the "SOG Master" and, although I've somewhat adapted his style, in many ways, his process is much more efficient.

Let us know when you get your journal up and there are many people here on :420: (myself included!) who are happy to help with any questions you have. :Namaste:

Thanks for the info on 420fied. Ill check him out now. And I did start a journal. I am just having trouble figuring out how to make a link at the bottom of all my posts like yall do. And im having problems with pics. But I dont want to waste space on this talking about my tech problems. But when I get things figured out. Ill let ya know. But anyways keep u the good work my friend. If I could have jus a lil bit of the success you have had, I would be plenty happy!
 
Thanks for the info on 420fied. Ill check him out now. And I did start a journal. I am just having trouble figuring out how to make a link at the bottom of all my posts like yall do. And im having problems with pics. But I dont want to waste space on this talking about my tech problems. But when I get things figured out. Ill let ya know. But anyways keep u the good work my friend. If I could have jus a lil bit of the success you have had, I would be plenty happy!

Ask and ye shall receive!

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Hey Mr K, I think the "sacrifices" you made to the hempy "system" are perfect for maintaining a small selection of strains for an individual or two. Once people figure out how little the mothers are used, they realize how small they can be. I used to pull one clone off each mom every 10 days, had 8 moms in gallon pots under a 4 foot shoplight. Clones and 1 -2 week veg was right above them, also under a 4 footer.
 
Hey mr k your journal is huge couldnt read every page but skimmed through and nice I love the way u bonsai reps and thanks for stopping by my journal and for the rep im subbed and man im tryin to check out the hempy journals and their is a ton gosh but ive caught up with most and ill be back reading for some more info on ur grow. :thumb:
 
Hey Mr K, I think the "sacrifices" you made to the hempy "system" are perfect for maintaining a small selection of strains for an individual or two. Once people figure out how little the mothers are used, they realize how small they can be. I used to pull one clone off each mom every 10 days, had 8 moms in gallon pots under a 4 foot shoplight. Clones and 1 -2 week veg was right above them, also under a 4 footer.

Thanks, Brother!

I agree 420% and am personally happy with sacraficing a shorter veg for keeping the multiple Bonsai strains. I just wanted to point out some of the clear advantages of 420fied's method so other growers can decide which they may prefer.
 
LAST FULLY CURED LUCY BUD

It's the last of my fully cured Lucy buds, and she is a beauty! I might have to enter her in NOTM for March.

The pics don't really do justice to how HUGE it really is, but the last one will give an idea:

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Happy Harvests!

K
 
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