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SOGgy Daze Ahead For Mr. Krip!
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ilikebike
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do you feel SOG increases your yield compared to growing a few plants just regular ? i really wanna try it how many plants could i do a sog with a 1000w lamp
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Hi Mr. Krip!
Love your journal. It's like an instruction book on how to do things. I'll be reading your info on keeping mothers for sure.....I see some in my future.
Thanks, Bro!
I think it would be great for you to start maintaining some mothers!
If you think about it, with your space and all of the seeds you have, you have a great opportunity to really grow out a bunch of seeds and find the "best of the best" to keep as moms.
In my 2'x2' space, right now I have four Bonsai mom's in 2 L's and another nine clones in 16 oz. cups. I could easily get 6-9 Bonsai mom's in the 2'x2' space. But, my ONLY seed order (so far) has been for 5 strains, 3 of which were "freebies", so I've basically had to take what I could get for the moms.
You could, for example, decide to maintain your top 5 strains/pheno's as mom's. Then, rotate another couple of strains in with each grow to see if you find anything you like better than those "top 5". Since you'll be cloning, if you find something special, you can replace one of the top 5 with the new strain.
It will really give you a chance to grow out all of those seeds you're holding on to and have fun figuring out which ones you enjoy the most, while always keeping your favorite strains on-hand.
Of course, I'm always happy to help you "test" your harvests if you can't decide which of two strains you like better!
Either way, I'll be sub'd to the journal!
Or you could 5 plant, hi defoliation/scrog and get 50-60z under 1000w.
That should mess with you enough for tonight.
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At this point, I have NO doubt that SOG will maximize yield in any grow space. How big is your grow space?
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Mr Krip, are you unfamiliar with Mr Smith's work? Need a link?
Trying to "maximise" yield with a k-watt bulb is not so simple.
Black or white solutions are rare. Shades of gray (or green) rule
ilikebike
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i have a 5x5 tent but i also have a 4x4 and a 2x4 i could use any of them for an sog, i am really wanting to do it in 1gal root pots with a hempy or coco mix with bpn elite and a jd lighting 1000w dimmable ballast
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Mr Krip, are you unfamiliar with Mr Smith's work? Need a link?
Trying to "maximise" yield with a k-watt bulb is not so simple.
Black or white solutions are rare. Shades of gray (or green) rule
I am intimately familliar with Mr. Smith's grows and his vertical setup is very impressive!
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If you went with 2 L's, you could get something like 144 plants in that 5'x5' tent (12 rows of 12 - and actually, you could get much more if you really packed them, but that will leave some room!), and average about 1/2 oz. dry per plant, so about 72 oz. for a full run. I don't know the dimensionis of the 1 gallon root pots, but I have a hunch you'll do better with the 2 L's. I am assuming the 1k will be able to light the whole 5'x5'.
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I am intimately familliar with Mr. Smith's grows and his vertical setup is very impressive!
I knew that, Mr Krip. I was being a snot, but my point is that many factors must be entered into the 'efficiency' equation. Most of these considerations have 'weighting' unique to each grower. For most, real estate commitment is most significant. Up-front capital outlay also counts big. Variable costs like nutes or electric power are less important, but do count for something.
I agree that to get the most from the area available is efficient, but...
The most of what? Comparing different strains is like counting oranges against apples. What is the crop worth? That's my main measure.
A time-tested rule of thumb is 50 watts HPS per square foot, but even distribution is a big problem on a flat SOG. The right distance(intensity) to the edge of a 4.5 foot square (20 sq ft) Sog might dry-roast the middle. It's about geometry. Bare vert arrangement puts the green in the sweet spot of lumination, all 360 degrees where the bulb radiates.
ilikebike
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haha the hardest part about the 2 L style is saving up all the bottles, im temped to just buy tons of soda and dump it down the drain. i know thats wasteful but wtf
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Yeah, I hear ya'! I felt the same way, cuz' I don't drink soda, either. But, I was able to get 2 L's of soda on sale for $0.99. Much of it I poured down the drain, served to friends, or used as mixers. But, I couldn't find ANY decent pots that would work for hempys anywhere near $0.99 each, so I didn't mind wasting some of the soda just to get the 2 L bottles. My guess is the 1 gallon smart pots will cost more than $1 and you won't get any soda with them, either!
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Propa, you are 420% correct and I probably shouldn't have given such an "absolutist" answer to the question by saying "any" grow space. If I was growing outdoors, for example, I certainly wouldn't be doing a SOG. And, I don't have personal experience with HPS, since I've used LED's exclusively for flowering.
That being said, in a "typical" indoor grow, I think it's tough to beat the yield per sqare foot with a SOG, and even in a vertical setup, I think yield per cubic foot would be highest (again, as a "general rule") with SOG-style plants.
I certainly will acknowledge "exceptions" to the rule, and your point about geometry is excellent, but the concept of packing more "main" colas into the same space, I believe, should still be valid, and I would think that would be independent of the light used.
Your opinions on this are valuable, and I know enough about botany & horticulture right now to know that you know more
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HUMIDITY DOME IS A KEEPER!
Instead of removing the humidity dome after four days, I decided to see what would happen if I kept the last batch of clones under the humidity dome until they were showing roots.
Today will be nine days since I took the last set of clones, and they are not only rooted, but they are the healthiest set of clones I've had so far with very little yellowing and not being dried out, like some of the other batches:
I diid open the vents on the humidity dome after about 5 days, but kept the dome on and continued misting the inside of the dome - NOT the plants.
Here's what the roots are looking like:
So, for me, the humidity dome has had a HUGE impact on my cloning success rate, although, it may not be as necessary in areas of high humidity.
The new clones will have to stay in the tray for another couple of days until I can move some of the older clones into flower.
Have a great weekend & Happy Harvests!
K
Instead of removing the humidity dome after four days, I decided to see what would happen if I kept the last batch of clones under the humidity dome until they were showing roots.
Today will be nine days since I took the last set of clones, and they are not only rooted, but they are the healthiest set of clones I've had so far with very little yellowing and not being dried out, like some of the other batches:
I diid open the vents on the humidity dome after about 5 days, but kept the dome on and continued misting the inside of the dome - NOT the plants.
Here's what the roots are looking like:
So, for me, the humidity dome has had a HUGE impact on my cloning success rate, although, it may not be as necessary in areas of high humidity.
The new clones will have to stay in the tray for another couple of days until I can move some of the older clones into flower.
Have a great weekend & Happy Harvests!
K
Moving along nicely Mr Krip!
Propa Gator
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Yeah, I hear ya'! I felt the same way, cuz' I don't drink soda, either. But, I was able to get 2 L's of soda on sale for $0.99. Much of it I poured down the drain, served to friends, or used as mixers. But, I couldn't find ANY decent pots that would work for hempys anywhere near $0.99 each, so I didn't mind wasting some of the soda just to get the 2 L bottles. My guess is the 1 gallon smart pots will cost more than $1 and you won't get any soda with them, either!
I have only 10 or so of these, which I believe are ideal for a SOG, and made in USA of locally recycled plastic bottles. the Square One
Problem is the case is huge, and shipping for me is more than the pots.
If you're PNW, look closely at them. They don't get brittle like Kord pots.
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Propa, I saw those a couple months, or so, back when you had posted them in another journal. In fact, it MIGHT have even been Mr. Smith's or perhaps SteveH's. But, when I looked at the pics, it looked like it has drainage holes in the bottom of the pots and I was looking for containers that didn't have any drainage holes so I could put holes in the sides a couple of inches up from the bottom to make the "res" for the hempys.
Are those things solid or do the have a solid version? If so, they'd be a nice, cheap, alternative. The issue I found with most cheap nursery pots is that they all had drainage holes in the bottom!
They'd be perfect for a soil SOG, I'm just not sure about a hempy.
In re-reading, I see IlikeBike wasn't necessarily looking to do hempy, and with the number of plants he'll have, those may be PERFECT for him!Hi Mr. Krip -
That's good to know on your cloning success rate with the humidity dome. I'm using rapid rooters and a humidity dome. It's soooo dry here otherwise that I feel I almost need to. Hope you are well my friend!
That's good to know on your cloning success rate with the humidity dome. I'm using rapid rooters and a humidity dome. It's soooo dry here otherwise that I feel I almost need to. Hope you are well my friend!
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Hi Mr. Krip -
That's good to know on your cloning success rate with the humidity dome. I'm using rapid rooters and a humidity dome. It's soooo dry here otherwise that I feel I almost need to. Hope you are well my friend!
Thanks, Bro! Actually, you're one of the guys I've heard great things about Rapid Rooters from, so your advice is partially responsible for my switch!
Hi Mr.K,
I'm keeping all my mom's in those square pots PGator is talking about, they work fine with hempy mix, in fact I just this week repotted all my mom's to the next size and they're loving it... I just keep a dish under them and water thoroughly every other day, let them drain a bit and put them away without any standing water.
Also when I clone I put my cuttings directly into a root riot cube and then into a prepped 2L and use the bottle top and cap as a humidity dome, that way each plant has it's own and no need for any transplanting. I also spray the inside of the top to regulate humidity... Xlr8's suggestion, I've had 100% success, I'm fixing to do it all over again this weekend.
btw, your girls look great...both veg and flower
I finally got a chance this week to watch that vid on cannabis/cancer...OMG!!
I'm keeping all my mom's in those square pots PGator is talking about, they work fine with hempy mix, in fact I just this week repotted all my mom's to the next size and they're loving it... I just keep a dish under them and water thoroughly every other day, let them drain a bit and put them away without any standing water.
Also when I clone I put my cuttings directly into a root riot cube and then into a prepped 2L and use the bottle top and cap as a humidity dome, that way each plant has it's own and no need for any transplanting. I also spray the inside of the top to regulate humidity... Xlr8's suggestion, I've had 100% success, I'm fixing to do it all over again this weekend.
btw, your girls look great...both veg and flower
I finally got a chance this week to watch that vid on cannabis/cancer...OMG!!