SOGgy Daze Ahead For Mr. Krip!

orly? I thought the plain timers only had one on/off switch/cycle.

I use the digital type I linked above for my flower room now. But I wouldnt mind getting off 24/0 in veg.

Something like this, with the pins, would work:

Shop Utilitech Indoor 2-Outlet Mechanical Timer at Lowes.com

The one above is on a 24-hour cycle, and adjustable in 30 minute increments (2-pins per hour). So, 12 hours of light, 5.5 hours dark, 1 hour light, and 5.5 hours dark.

You could also use a digital timer that supported more than one on/off time (program). So, for example, you'd set the first program to go on at 6:00am, and off at 6:00pm. Then, set the second program to go on at 11:30pm and off at 12:30am. If it ran those two programs (or something like) every day, you'd be on GLR.

Here's a digital timer that supports 8 programs per week:

Shop Utilitech Digital Programmable Timer at Lowes.com

I picked up a digital at Homies that does 20 programs per week for under $20 that I use in the flower cab, but you only need two programs for GLR. I use a pin model, similar to the first link, but adjustable in 15 minute increments for the GLR in veg.
 
Something like this, with the pins, would work:

Shop Utilitech Indoor 2-Outlet Mechanical Timer at Lowes.com

The one above is on a 24-hour cycle, and adjustable in 30 minute increments (2-pins per hour). So, 12 hours of light, 5.5 hours dark, 1 hour light, and 5.5 hours dark.

You could also use a digital timer that supported more than one on/off time (program). So, for example, you'd set the first program to go on at 6:00am, and off at 6:00pm. Then, set the second program to go on at 11:30pm and off at 12:30am. If it ran those two programs (or something like) every day, you'd be on GLR.

Here's a digital timer that supports 8 programs per week:

Shop Utilitech Digital Programmable Timer at Lowes.com

I picked up a digital at Homies that does 20 programs per week for under $20 that I use in the flower cab, but you only need two programs for GLR. I use a pin model, similar to the first link, but adjustable in 15 minute increments for the GLR in veg.

Your the man Mr. Krip! :cheertwo:
Guess I'll take a trip to Homies. GRL here I come. :thankyou:
 
Quick question about your Shop Utilitech Digital 8-Outlet Power Strip Timer.
I can only get one side to work...is there a secret? I would like all 8 to work. Thanks.

OMM, on that power strip, only FOUR of the outlets are controlled by the timer, so you've got it correct!

Note:

7 day digital timer
- 8 grounded outlets, 4 timer controlled outlets
- Swivel safety covers
- Lighted reset/off switch
 
One side is on all the time no timer, the other side is on the timer.

** not 100% sure that's mine but it looks exactly like it from what I can tell. I got mine at Lowes or Home despot. Probably both the same.
 
LUCY THE BONSAI BUSH!

I was doing a little trimming and a feed on the older Lucy Bonsai mom and figured I take some pics while she was out of the cab:

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She's about 5 1/2 months old, and only about 6" tall:

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I've done heavy topping with her, including experimenting with how to get 3 colas, instead of two, from a single topping.

The result is that she's a serious bush with more than a dozen tops!

Here's a couple shots of her branches:

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And here's a canopy view:

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Not bad for a 6" tall plant! :)

Happy Harvests!

K
 
MORE INFO ON GLR

I found this article on GLR that supports accelerated growth rates using this method and thought I'd re-post it here:

Grow Bigger and Better saving 30-50% on your energy cost!

How to reduce the cost of growing cannabis saving 30-50% on your electricty bill using the 12-1 lighting schedule.

The biggest innovator in the history of cannabis in my generation is Reinhard Delp. Not only did he invent and is the holder of the patent for ice water extraction, he has been building flower forcers since 1992. His new solar powered Sun-gate is the leader of the industry. He was the first to feminize seeds and sell them in Europe in the late 90’s. His process was done naturally, without the use of any chemicals.

No one is more copied but seldom matched than Mr. Delp, who to me is the top grower of our generation. The first time he impressed me he showed me 2 plants, planted next to one another, 1 completely covered in powdery mildew, the other completely clean and beautiful. He was developing mildew and mold resistant genetics.

In the late 90’s Reinhard brought back the gas lantern routine that you find in any college grade horticulture book, and applied it to cannabis. Cannabis needs only 13 hours to stay in the vegetative growth stage. The 18-6 lighting schedule in vegetation, actually stress your plants, that never get that much light in one-day outdoors. Cannabis is an outdoor plant. Growing indoors you should copy how it grows outdoors. No Cannabis growing in Afghanistan gets 18 hours of light in growth pattern. Most strains today have some part Indica in their genetic pool. Even equatorial strains don’t get 18 hours of sun a day.

The 12-1 lighting schedule is as follows 12 hours lights on, 5.5 lights off, 1-hour lights on, 5.5 lights off, and repeat schedule. The 1 hour on in between off period fools the plants that stay in vegetative growth state! Your immediate savings are 5 hours in energy costs daily, as well as your bulbs and equipment lasting longer. But how do the plants react to this lighting schedule?

You see immediate growth response from your plants, they are happy from the added rest time. By day 14 the plants tripled in size. The plants are bushy with twice as many bud sites without topping or bending, In fact when you top and stretch your plants out, you get many more bud sites than you would have had under 18-6 using same procedure of topping and stretching plant, your growing bigger and better and faster.

So your saving 5 hours daily in energy costs, as well as your excellerated growth pattern which also saves you time and energy and equipment use.

In the flowering stage, never use 12-12, start your flowering period at 11 hours on 13 hours off. When your are growing outdoors each day you get less and less sun light, you should copy the way the sun acts naturally in your indoor grow. So first 2 weeks of flower you go 11 on 13 off, the next 2 weeks you go down to 10.5 on 13.5 off, next 2 weeks 10 on 14 off, next two weeks 9.5 on 14.5 off and the last weeks of flower you should be at 9 hours on and 15 hours off. You’ll get bigger and better buds by copying the way the sun light works on cannabis outdoors.

Cannabis is an outdoor plant and you should copy the way it grows outdoors indoors. The only thing that 18-6, and then 12-12 lighting schedule's do is make the energy companies rich as well as the people who sell lights and equipment, the more you use the more you spend. 12-1 lighting schedule is a more natural way to grow indoors and you well have the best results you have ever had and save as much as 50% in energy costs.
 
MORE INFO ON GLR

I found this article on GLR that supports accelerated growth rates using this method and thought I'd re-post it here:

I had always understood one of the benefits was that it increased the growth rate...that's why I wasn't sure about GLR since all I veg are moms. I'm not sure I want faster growth for them. What was your thinking on GLR for mother plants?

:Namaste:
 
got to look into this bonsai method! my mommas so fat she broke a branch and gravy poured out! I could have many strains going on wth this method hmmm! :goodjob:
 
I had always understood one of the benefits was that it increased the growth rate...that's why I wasn't sure about GLR since all I veg are moms. I'm not sure I want faster growth for them. What was your thinking on GLR for mother plants?

:Namaste:

Good question!

Initially, I was skeptical about the faster growth rate with GLR, and one of the reasons I switched to it was that the cab is only mom's & clones, neither of which need lots of light. So, I really wasn't worried about the moms at the time.

In a worst case, I suppose I'll just trim more frequently. I do want to grow the mothers out a bit more, and, as long as the girls are all healthy, I'll take the savings on electric. Especially in a perpetual grow, or where one is maintaining mom's, the extra electric costs add up over time.
 
QUICK GLR UPDATE

I was doing some more reading on GLR and came across another great article. I won't repost the whole thing, since much of it is repetitive, but here are a couple excerpts I thought were noteworthy and/or important for anyone considering GLR:

Plants that have been grown up using the Gas Lantern Routine are now supercharged with floral hormones, and ready to go into flower with the slightest provocation. The interruption of the dark period has been destroying enough of the naturally building hormones to keep the plant from expressing sex, and the well-rested plant now has plenty of stored nutrients and energy to finish its life cycle and flower. Triggering the plants is essentially just a matter of removing the interrupting light period, so the plants may now experience the full buildup of hormones that will trigger blooming.

In keeping with providing all the correct organic biological and environmental needs of the plant, the diminishing fall schedule should be employed to take full advantage of the hormonal preparation created by using the Gas Lantern Routine. The diminishing hours of light in nature trigger acceleration in the production of hormones in the plant, making it flower with increasing speed and power.

Some tips using GLR (theory):

- Have the light on a timer so the on/off is consistent daily. Manual on/off may induce flowering.

- Use mix light or MH. Try not to use just HPS. The spectrum from HPS may induce flowering even with the 1 hour on between the dark cycle.

- For the 1 hour on use a cheap light source like Fluorescent light or CFL instead of using HID light. Have it on a separate timer only turn on 1hr between the dark cycle and have the HID light set at 12/12. Normally with any other light cycle the ballast is turned on once in 24hrs, with GLR it turned on twice. This may shorten the lifespan of the ballast and bulb. If you decided to run Fluo/CFL then make sure the tent is well lid any shaded area or area left in the dark may induce flowering. The 1 hour on between dark cycle help destroy floral hormone, lack of light will not be able to destroy the hormone and will send your plants in bloom.
 
This is all really good info...I'd like to take a sec and recognize how great our 420 community is...

:circle-of-love: :Love: :circle-of-love: :Love: :circle-of-love:

just an observation about the article...if you use 12-1 GLR method wouldn't you save 11 hours of electricity right off the bat? The article I think said 5. And I'm using 2x23w cfl, one each cool and warm...should I change that to both cool (blue spectrum) for clones/mom's? Also it's cold here now, my veg room is a constant 72 degrees 53% hum. GLR will alter that considerably. I don't want any hermies...been there, done that.

I was real happy to see the added info about cutting the light time in flowering as well...I've been toying with that very idea for some time now, just because that's how it is in nature, but was afraid to do it because I'm new at this and was just following the norm, so to speak.

Love the journal...thanks again to our whole community :high-five:
 
This is all really good info...I'd like to take a sec and recognize how great our 420 community is...

:circle-of-love: :Love: :circle-of-love: :Love: :circle-of-love:

just an observation about the article...if you use 12-1 GLR method wouldn't you save 11 hours of electricity right off the bat? The article I think said 5. And I'm using 2x23w cfl, one each cool and warm...should I change that to both cool (blue spectrum) for clones/mom's? Also it's cold here now, my veg room is a constant 72 degrees 53% hum. GLR will alter that considerably. I don't want any hermies...been there, done that.

I was real happy to see the added info about cutting the light time in flowering as well...I've been toying with that very idea for some time now, just because that's how it is in nature, but was afraid to do it because I'm new at this and was just following the norm, so to speak.

Love the journal...thanks again to our whole community :high-five:

How many hours you save depends on your current light cycle. GLR, or 12-1 is 13 hours of light. So, if you currently veg at 24/0, you'll save 11 hours, but if you veg at 18/6 you save 5.

That's why a range of 30%-48% savings!

Plants should NOT hermie with GLR, since they never get thrown into flower. Plants will hermie when the dark cycle in flower gets interrupted, so as long as they never go into flower, it's not an issue.

Does your room stay at the constant temp/humidity under 24/0 or 18/6? If it stays constant under 18/6, you should have no problems, since you already know you're constant during a dark period. If you're currently at 24/0, then adding a dark period may effect temps & RH.
 
Thanks for the info on the GLR iv been running this in my veg room for a while now and have noticed some great changes in growth and vigor, it really is a great light schedule that so many growers do not believe in.

FYI....for those of you that haven't seen it yet, G-Speed has a new journal up that looks to be a good one. You may want to check it out:

Gardening With Ganesha

Thank for the link brother :high-five:

:thumb:
 
Thanks for the info on the GLR iv been running this in my veg room for a while now and have noticed some great changes in growth and vigor, it really is a great light schedule that so many growers do not believe in.



Thank for the link brother :high-five:

:thumb:

:high-five:
 
QUICK GLR UPDATE

I was doing some more reading on GLR and came across another great article. I won't repost the whole thing, since much of it is repetitive, but here are a couple excerpts I thought were noteworthy and/or important for anyone considering GLR:

Thanks for posting all the info you have! I'm using 1k MH right now, but once I get the new room going, that ballast will be for flowering. I had always planned on using T5 HO fixtures for the moms, so it looks like they would work well with GLR. Might have to wait until then to make the switch...

By the way, I'm not sure if I said it, but great journal! I've been subbed for a while, but I'm not fully caught up. I don't normally post until I've read through everything (keeps me from asking something that has already been answered)... but definitely 5 stars bro! :high-five:

This is all really good info...I'd like to take a sec and recognize how great our 420 community is...

:circle-of-love: :Love: :circle-of-love: :Love: :circle-of-love:

:thumb::thumb::thumb: 420 Magazine is awesome!

just an observation about the article...if you use 12-1 GLR method wouldn't you save 11 hours of electricity right off the bat? The article I think said 5. And I'm using 2x23w cfl, one each cool and warm...should I change that to both cool (blue spectrum) for clones/mom's? Also it's cold here now, my veg room is a constant 72 degrees 53% hum. GLR will alter that considerably. I don't want any hermies...been there, done that.

You'll definitely have to take that into account...climate is so very important!

Just looking at the light, I believe HPS has a lot more red than the warm CFLs, so I'm not sure you'd have a problem with GLR with what you're using. That being said, I've had good luck using daylight spectrum CFLs (5800ºK), and have gotten really nice tight nodes using them.

I was real happy to see the added info about cutting the light time in flowering as well...I've been toying with that very idea for some time now, just because that's how it is in nature, but was afraid to do it because I'm new at this and was just following the norm, so to speak.

Love the journal...thanks again to our whole community :high-five:

Cutting back the photo period late in flowering is a common technique to get certain strains to finish... I don't see a problem with modifying our grows to more closely mimic nature. :thumb:

:Namaste:
 
Love the Bonzi.................... I have acouple I've had to cut back alot myself. Trying to keepem small for mothers. I take a clone from every plant I flower anymore. Least then if I love the mother I got the strain. I've not grown Lucy before but I hear alot of good things about her. Keep em Green
 
Love the Bonzi.................... I have acouple I've had to cut back alot myself. Trying to keepem small for mothers. I take a clone from every plant I flower anymore. Least then if I love the mother I got the strain. I've not grown Lucy before but I hear alot of good things about her. Keep em Green

I agree and I'm the same way. I take clones from every new strain I get just in case it's a "keeper". :thumb:
 
Thanks for posting all the info you have! I'm using 1k MH right now, but once I get the new room going, that ballast will be for flowering. I had always planned on using T5 HO fixtures for the moms, so it looks like they would work well with GLR. Might have to wait until then to make the switch...

By the way, I'm not sure if I said it, but great journal! I've been subbed for a while, but I'm not fully caught up. I don't normally post until I've read through everything (keeps me from asking something that has already been answered)... but definitely 5 stars bro! :high-five:
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Thanks for that, Frat! :thankyou:
I know you've been following for a while and I appreciate it. I see the "likes" and "reps" from you and, every once and again, you chime in on the conversation.

It's great having you here and I've been a BIG fan of your WW Bonsai as I've been learning! :Namaste:
 
PE BONSAI MOM

Apparently, when I put the Lucy Bonsai back in the cab yesterday, she was bragging to the other Bonsai mom's that I was admiring her and taking pictures, and, when I had the PE Bonsai mom out for some pruning today, I started being accused of playing favorites. So, I had to take a few pics of the PE Mom, just to keep her happy! :)

She's also about 5 1/2 months old, and was taken as a clone from my original PE Bonsai Mom (which I tossed a few weeks ago to make room in the cab! :rip:), while the Lucy and Power Skunk Bonsais were started from seed.

Like Lucy, she's only about 6" tall:

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Instead of "extreme topping", she got a "radical LST" to help her branches form, and she doesn't have as many as Lucy, but she's still turning into a respectable Bonsai:

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Here's a closer look at her branch structure...you can see the effects of the LST and a couple of spots where she's recently given up some clones:

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And, here's her canopy view:

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On another quick side note, since getting the humidity dome, I'm having close to 100% success rate on cloning (again!) :wood: So, I have about 8-10 clones that will be ready to go into flower over the next couple of weeks and another 8-10 clones that were taken 5 days ago, and I'm gonna take another 6-8 clones this weekend. If I continue to have good cloning success, the flower tent should be filled with 24 plants in the next 30 days, or less.

Happy Harvests!

K
 
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