Northward
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If any of you want to check out my outdoor super sipper 2023 grow journal. That would be cool!
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Ward
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Ward
SIP Club - Getting Hydro/Coco Results In A Soil Based Medium
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Great idea, and good to see you, Buds!
Interesting. You don't think the roots will grow through the inner pot holes into the larger one and make removing it more difficult? Or do you plan to grow the starter pots independently and are just using it as a place holder in the pics?
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Looking good, Beez!Here's a quick update on my first time SIP grow. Sensi Cheese in an Earthbox container that holds approx 15 gallons of FFOF soil.
With the warmer weather now (90F), the plant is drinking about 1.5 gallons per day! I feed it every time the reservoir gets filled. Currently using Prescription Blend nutrients, but I'm just about out of them, and they've gone away (too bad because it was a great product). When that is out, I'll switch over to another liquid blend from Emerald Harvest. I'm also adding about 10 mL of Terpinator to each gallon as well.
I have another Earthbox that I'm growing 2 tomato plants in. It too, seems to be drinking about 1.5 gallons of water each day.
I have it hooked up to my vegetable garden automatic watering system. It comes on every other day and fills the res to overflow. If I didn't have the rest of my garden to worry about, I'd set the system to water every day, but that wouldn't be good for the other plants.
I'm going by the manufacturer recommendation on this setup regarding feeding. They recommend putting 1 lb. of all-purpose fertilizer (7-7-7) in a trough along the top of the planter about 2 inches below the surface. Just one time feeding for the entire growing season. Seems a little strange, but those plants are looking super happy.
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Ok, Northward. I'll be right over to your journal HereIf any of you want to check out my outdoor super sipper 2023 grow journal. That would be cool!
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I just put my 1 gal. inside the 5 gal. pot as a holder so they will be closer to the light. They will get up-potted around 5 - nodes tall. They are starting their 4th nodes now. I like to do it this way because it leaves a perfect hole for the up-pot.
Check it out - I added one gallon yesterday afternoon and 23 hours later showing signs of an empty res. Just starting to get droopy. I checked with the dipstick and yep - she was empty. Very sensitive to a dry res for sure. As soon as the water runs out she immediately goes all Audrey 2 and screams "FEED ME!"
A gallon of water and less than 20 minutes later she looks perky again. Notice the tops.
I added a removable extension to make filling easier.
A gallon of water and less than 20 minutes later she looks perky again. Notice the tops.
I added a removable extension to make filling easier.
goowa
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I love that. Doing it. As they are getting bigger I was already scratching my head how to get at that pipe.
ReservoirDog
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There are plant dollies and then there's Beez Luiz plant dollies. Love the double-axle upgrade.Here's a quick update on my first time SIP grow. Sensi Cheese in an Earthbox container that holds approx 15 gallons of FFOF soil.
With the warmer weather now (90F), the plant is drinking about 1.5 gallons per day! I feed it every time the reservoir gets filled. Currently using Prescription Blend nutrients, but I'm just about out of them, and they've gone away (too bad because it was a great product). When that is out, I'll switch over to another liquid blend from Emerald Harvest. I'm also adding about 10 mL of Terpinator to each gallon as well.
I have another Earthbox that I'm growing 2 tomato plants in. It too, seems to be drinking about 1.5 gallons of water each day.
I have it hooked up to my vegetable garden automatic watering system. It comes on every other day and fills the res to overflow. If I didn't have the rest of my garden to worry about, I'd set the system to water every day, but that wouldn't be good for the other plants.
I'm going by the manufacturer recommendation on this setup regarding feeding. They recommend putting 1 lb. of all-purpose fertilizer (7-7-7) in a trough along the top of the planter about 2 inches below the surface. Just one time feeding for the entire growing season. Seems a little strange, but those plants are looking super happy.
Maybe an electric motor, with lithium batteries next year? A solar panel to charge 'em and a Raspberry Pi waterproofed miniPC on-board to hack into the solar panel so it follows the sun around all day? Ha-ha! Roomba meets SIP. I actually think it'd work pretty well for some people with well-groomed backyards, Canadians limited to four plants and want to make the best of them. Might work for large producers too, a big robot-driven weed-train under poly. Ha!
The 420 looks just gorgeous Luiz, I hope you're pleased with them.
Frickin' SIP veggies, your tomatoes look like mine, so much snarby growth, I can't make heads or tails, but growth is growth, and growth is good!
Tomatoes like to build a lot of top-feeder roots, I've noticed, so I top-water mine every now and then or they start showing a yellow leaf down low, unlike all the other veg I SIP-grow.
So, sounds like Earthbox has the feed scenario for tomatoes pretty well sussed out with that feed recommendation and have likely experienced what I do with SIP tomatoes. I think some people mistakenly feel tomatoes cant take all the water when their tomatoes SIPs don't look right, but I think it's the top-feeder roots, they will throw a fit if not given something to do.
I was outside smoking a doobie and it just came to me. Plus I had the PVC right there. I was also thinking a 1" plastic drain hose may fit snug onto the PVC fill pipe. I received the silicone funnel when I bought a gummy kit on eBay.
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Fun fact: Earthboxes were originally developed by a tomato farmer from Florida, USA. So that may very well be why they developed their fertilizer strategy the way they have.
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That's a very handy tool.
I have the same type of thing which also comes in handy to top water my organic grows. My vertical space is so tight that the branches sit only a few inches above the soil which makes it mostly impossible to get any sort of traditional watering apparatus in there.The lower fitting you have allows for a single setup to serve multiple plants and is easily removed after watering so you don't have an awkward piece jutting out from the plant when it's not needed.
The top fitting, if it's for a 1" pvc pipe, is exactly the right size for the neck of a standard plastic water bottle. So, for my outdoor SIPs, I use a 2L soda bottle with the bottom cut off as a very large funnel which makes pouring the water in from a bucket a breeze. Plus, the mouth of a water bottle is much wider than that of a typical funnel which speeds the pouring of large amounts of water, and we all know how greedy plants grown in SIPs get.
The neck of the bottle sits down so perfectly in that 1"pvc fitting that there is no way for the displaced air to come back out without a bit of burping along the way.
That is easily solved by making sure the bottle top sits slightly askew in the fitting which I do with a wire paperclip set down on the lip of the fitting before setting the funnel. Because really, who has that extra few seconds to water slowly enough to not need the paperclip.
Well done.
RedskinnedRhino
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Where the hell did Prescription Blend Go??? I couldn't find it on Amazon the other day, had to break down and buy Remo! They go out of business??? That stuff worked great, I'll be bummed to lose it as a base.Here's a quick update on my first time SIP grow. Sensi Cheese in an Earthbox container that holds approx 15 gallons of FFOF soil.
With the warmer weather now (90F), the plant is drinking about 1.5 gallons per day! I feed it every time the reservoir gets filled. Currently using Prescription Blend nutrients, but I'm just about out of them, and they've gone away (too bad because it was a great product). When that is out, I'll switch over to another liquid blend from Emerald Harvest. I'm also adding about 10 mL of Terpinator to each gallon as well.
I have another Earthbox that I'm growing 2 tomato plants in. It too, seems to be drinking about 1.5 gallons of water each day.
I have it hooked up to my vegetable garden automatic watering system. It comes on every other day and fills the res to overflow. If I didn't have the rest of my garden to worry about, I'd set the system to water every day, but that wouldn't be good for the other plants.
I'm going by the manufacturer recommendation on this setup regarding feeding. They recommend putting 1 lb. of all-purpose fertilizer (7-7-7) in a trough along the top of the planter about 2 inches below the surface. Just one time feeding for the entire growing season. Seems a little strange, but those plants are looking super happy.
Yup. They went out of business a little while ago.
RedskinnedRhino
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SSSSSSSHHHHHIIIIIIITTTTTTTT! I would have stocked up if I had known the end was near!!!
Hopefully Remo gives similar results.
RIP Rx Blend....
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@Jon is switching over and a few other growers have as well. I've heard good things.SSSSSSSHHHHHIIIIIIITTTTTTTT! I would have stocked up if I had known the end was near!!!
Hopefully Remo gives similar results.
RIP Rx Blend....
Thanks!That's a very handy tool.
The lower fitting you have allows for a single setup to serve multiple plants and is easily removed after watering so you don't have an awkward piece jutting out from the plant when it's not needed.
The top fitting, if it's for a 1" pvc pipe, is exactly the right size for the neck of a standard plastic water bottle. So, for my outdoor SIPs, I use a 2L soda bottle with the bottom cut off as a very large funnel which makes pouring the water in from a bucket a breeze. Plus, the mouth of a water bottle is much wider than that of a typical funnel which speeds the pouring of large amounts of water, and we all know how greedy plants grown in SIPs get.
The neck of the bottle sits down so perfectly in that 1"pvc fitting that there is no way for the displaced air to come back out without a bit of burping along the way.
That is easily solved by making sure the bottle top sits slightly askew in the fitting which I do with a wire paperclip set down on the lip of the fitting before setting the funnel. Because really, who has that extra few seconds to water slowly enough to not need the paperclip.
Well done.
The PVC is 3/4" - so the outside diameter is close to 1 inch. I was going to use a soda bottle as a funnel but the 3/4 pipe is too small - even the splicer or elbow. I have some old 1" diameter clear drain tubing that I was going to try. It fits snug over the outside of the PVC. Then I remembered I had that silicone funnel and it works perfectly. No muss no fuss.
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I use 1/2" pvc pipe so I need an adapter called a bushing to scale it up to accept a 1" pipe. The inside diameter of the 1" coupling is, I think, 1 1/4" which fits the water bottle neck perfectly.
If you're already using 3/4" pvc pipe, you may not even need the bushing but rather a simple coupling to make the transition. I've been meaning to look at the store but I'm pretty sure they make a 3/4"x1" coupling so you'd only need that one piece.
Coupling connect 2 pieces the same size together to make it longer. Bushings are used inside pipes for a tight fit to prevent leaks. Reducer's are what you are looking for.
For straight joints the next size up of PVC pipe is normally correct to make a joint.
Tub of PVC glue and just dip the ends right in. Cut with a PVC pipe cutter. You can build all sorts with it.
That whole propagation stand thing was less than 20 minutes. Once made one that was connected to the mains water with sprinkler holes drilled in the pipe to watwr the herb garden I built for & Co. Connected a solenoid to the input that was wifi enabled so I could say “Alexa water my plants”
But for growing its gots so much utility in terms of not just irrigation but structures for say LST or SOG
Covid lockdown wasn’t all bad
Nick
Tub of PVC glue and just dip the ends right in. Cut with a PVC pipe cutter. You can build all sorts with it.
That whole propagation stand thing was less than 20 minutes. Once made one that was connected to the mains water with sprinkler holes drilled in the pipe to watwr the herb garden I built for & Co. Connected a solenoid to the input that was wifi enabled so I could say “Alexa water my plants”
But for growing its gots so much utility in terms of not just irrigation but structures for say LST or SOG
Covid lockdown wasn’t all bad
Nick
ReservoirDog
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@goowa how are making out with your issues? I don't have all of the history you discussed earlier memorized or have any immediate help, just wanted to find out if you've managed to break the downward trend and if not perhaps try to call in more cavalry.
I don't have the kind of deep, indoor grow experience needed to diagnose and prognosticate via a single photo, by myself, but I wanted to check in nonetheless. Because I don't know you I don't want to insult you by making rudimentary suggestions, but I'm gonna anyway and just hope if I step wrong you'll be forgiving.
If new growth (ie didn't exist on the day the problem first surfaced) soon starts to show similar issues then maybe we can try a fix after gathering the 'brain trust'. However, if such new growth is still green and holding pat, then I personally would stay my hand - but keep my brain engaged, and keep studying the problem.
Unfortunately, while I've been coming up in the indoor grow game, sudden, apparent issues havesometimes often stressed me into making plant-killing mistakes. It's more often that my next mistake kills an ailing plant than my last one, so to speak. I realize that laws of statistical probability mean that essentially everyone can claim that statement to be true, but I've made enough poor decisions after coming across a major issue to know I need to stay my hand and let individual fixes work through the system, about 7-10 days (7 SIPs/DWC - 10 soil/soilless top-fed, approx.)
So, when it comes to grower folly - I am expertly qualified to discuss in the first person. Shift the frame of reference to diagnosing actual plants and I'm not gonna put my hand up to do anything more than wave it around trying to get an expert's attention.
You just let me know if I should start waving.
I don't have the kind of deep, indoor grow experience needed to diagnose and prognosticate via a single photo, by myself, but I wanted to check in nonetheless. Because I don't know you I don't want to insult you by making rudimentary suggestions, but I'm gonna anyway and just hope if I step wrong you'll be forgiving.
If new growth (ie didn't exist on the day the problem first surfaced) soon starts to show similar issues then maybe we can try a fix after gathering the 'brain trust'. However, if such new growth is still green and holding pat, then I personally would stay my hand - but keep my brain engaged, and keep studying the problem.
Unfortunately, while I've been coming up in the indoor grow game, sudden, apparent issues have
So, when it comes to grower folly - I am expertly qualified to discuss in the first person. Shift the frame of reference to diagnosing actual plants and I'm not gonna put my hand up to do anything more than wave it around trying to get an expert's attention.
You just let me know if I should start waving.