Sense Amelia's First Pop At Indoor Soil Grow

[Vick074]

Great photo update! funky borders..
So you decided not to supercrop ay?
Well if you're not ready, you're not ready. It is a big decision to make! Its your grow and it's up to you how you raise your children..
But looks like you have fert burn in some of those photos..What are you're temps at?
Also try to make sure you let the soil dry out before feeding again, looks like they might be getting a bit over watered..
you might want to run a flush next water..
just a suggestion is all.

drop by anytime!
I don't bite

 

[Sense Amelia]

Great photo update! funky borders..

Thanks.

So you decided not to supercrop ay?

Afraid not, no. Next time round I will, but it will be done in veg rather than flower, when the plants are smaller and less likely to end up FUBAR'd. Even my Dad urged me not to, so with Dad and partner saying no, I started to agree with them too.

Well if you're not ready, you're not ready. It is a big decision to make! Its your grow and it's up to you how you raise your children..

Someone else said this too, it's just getting a feel for what you think is right for them.

But looks like you have fert burn in some of those photos..What are you're temps at?

Those pale tips (if that's what you are referring to) occurred before I even GAVE them nutes, we all here came to the conclusion that they were in fact ASKING me for nutes. Temps are a lovely 77-81 lights on. And the other half said the night time temps are fine too. The light is 14" away from my plants.

Also try to make sure you let the soil dry out before feeding again, looks like they might be getting a bit over watered..
you might want to run a flush next water..

I hope you do not think I'm being defensive, but it's not this because if anything, I deprive my girls of water compared to what I read most people give theirs. They are in 15 litre pots and the most I have ever given them is a litre and a half each. Today they had not been watered for 2 days, edges of their soil in pots was CRACKED and DRY. I don't think overwatering is going on here.

drop by anytime!
I don't bite

Sure will! Thanks!

 

[fish cake]

she, check, all are wonderfull girls!!!
you should be proud! very nice indeed. you go ahead and leave them alone. also I read somewhere back that the girls would be more flexible before they are watered. I dissagree respectfuly.I have always found that an hour after a drink they were more plyable.
anyway just get ready to realy throw a lasso on them there phillieys cause they gonna grow

 

[Vick074]

Cool!
I've just never seen or heard of tips yellowing because they needed nutes.
That's a new one for me.
And about the overwatering?
I'll shut up now..
carry on!!

 

[Sense Amelia]

she, check, all are wonderfull girls!!!
you should be proud! very nice indeed. you go ahead and leave them alone. also I read somewhere back that the girls would be more flexible before they are watered. I dissagree respectfuly.I have always found that an hour after a drink they were more plyable.
anyway just get ready to realy throw a lasso on them there phillieys cause they gonna grow

Fish, this is the kind of reply I was hoping for. I really DO wanna leave 'em alone as much as possible. But I will do ALL I can that is not high level stress, to control those bad girls.

We are spot on with the bending AFTER water. Although today I did do a little bondage prior to water... they were alright. I just love them. I know they're leggy fuckers, but let's just see how they roll I guess.

 

[Sense Amelia]

I've just never seen or heard of tips yellowing because they needed nutes.

None of us here were definately sure, but they went without any nutes at all throughout almost the whole veg phase (3-4 weeks)

 

[jon705]

Hi Sense AmeliaI think your girls have a nitrogen defficiency and its good to let them dry out before feeding/watering but you should completely saturate the soil when you water/feed them,1.5 litres isnt enough imo.make sure water is pooled in the trays under the pots and leave it there for at least an hour.your soil will soak most if not all of it up.I think Icemud's last journal talks about how when he took his girls down the root balls didnt even reach the bottom of the pots because he was watering the same way you are now.The roots will only stretch to the bottoms of the pots if there is water down there. larger root balls = larger nugs.Heres a link to mmj deficiencies,the first one is nitrogen and it describes exactly whats happening to your girls with the uniform yellowing of the lower large fan leaves and the purple stems.I hope this helps
https://www.-----.com/modules/Tutorials/PlantTrouble/HIGHway.htm

 

[Sense Amelia]

Yes, I have been getting the Bio Grow into them now as well as Bio Bloom as directed. I also have BAT GUANO...will this help me at this stage???

I definately am going to start watering them more. How many litres do you think I should give each plant? They are in 15 litre pots. Thanks for your input, Jon. And the link! It was broken, but I found it anyway.

 

[jon705]

I have very little knowledge with organic's so im the wrong guy to ask about bat guano, sorry.I would water them with 4 litres and let the water pool in the trays, after an hour or so remove whatevers left.the pots should be really heavy when they are fully saturated.Dont water them again until they are really light.This is how ive done it for years in my soil grows and the entire bucket/pot is usually a giant root ball that comes out in one piece,what I mean is there wont be any soil in the pot at all when you pull on the stem. and theres no mess which is always a bonus

 

[Muttt]

I would put some bat guano in a bag and put the bag into my water before I feed the plants. The guano disolves into the water and is very good for your plants. Not sure how much to use though.

 

[Sense Amelia]

I will let you guys know what it says on the bat shit tub tomorrow, then maybe someone who knows can guide me as to how much to give them and how often.

 

[jon705]

heres a link to a "tea" recipes.
Can You Mix Bat Guano In The Water?

 

[Sense Amelia]

I haven't got aerated wotsits or bubbler things, and I don't do R/O water, as long as I can still implement it without all that I should be ok. Thanks for the link Jon!

 

[Vapedogg223]

High there! I'm sorry I haven't been around...I've been a little under the weather lately...it looks like you're in good hands here though!

I did have a chance speed-read though and get caught up. I had a few thoughts. Just to warn you though, the emphasis was on "speed" so I might have missed something.

First, Your plants look great! I think you're taking a smart to go slow and do less rather than more...that approach will pay dividends in the future!

Dont stress too much about super cropping...these plants are resilient. I've snapped branches almost clean off...my Dutch Passion Blueberry are notoriously hard to super crop, with hollow branches that snap really easily. I've taped them back, and within a few days it's like nothing ever happened...of course there's also been a few that didn't, but that's all part of learning.

Yellowing of the leaves... That looked like the first signs of a nitrogen deficiency to me...it usually starts on the lower leaves because N is a mobile element that the plant can move to different locations, so they will pull nitrogen from the lower branches and move it to the the higher parts of the plant where the plant will focus it's efforts. I think you removed those yellowing leaves, but you're likely to see more unless you start feeding.

On stretch...can you get the light any closer without burning the plants? It looks like you're using just a cooltube without any kind of reflector...that's okay, but you are effectively loosing 1/2 of the light that bulb is emitting.

I'm an organic soil grower, so I'm not going to be able to give you much advice with the nutes you are using, but I'll be lurking in the shadows if there's something I can offer.

Just keep doing what you are doing!

 

[Muttt]

I picked up an aquarium air pump, an air stone and a pack of hose at Walmart for 10 bucks. It serves all my needs for bubbling. And, when I am not using it, it's small enough to throw in a drawer. I just use a 5 gallon home depot bucket to do the bubbling in. I have really good quality well water so I don't bother with RO water.

 

[mcloadie]

The only plants I ever bent ( trained ) were bonsai and topiary, I was trained by my instructor that plants were more pliable before watering as they have less water content in the stems and branches and are more pliable. He may have been wrong, but I'm not the doctor.....sorry, I'm just saying what always worked for ornamentals. My specialty in school was bonsai japanese maples. I would call and speak to him on this subject but he died about 20 years ago. I can't wait to clone using water for rooting hormone........goodbye

 

[Sense Amelia]

Think I'm gonna pop into town and grab me some fish mix tomorrow which I hear is contains good nitrogen amounts. Same line of nutes of course... BioBizz. (After some research I see a few people's grows suffered nitrogen def. when using Bio Bizz.... My friend suggests I use Canna next time....

 

[Muttt]

Not sure if you have access to a home depot. But, they have some stuff there ...... it's made by Monterey. It's Fish/Kelp/Sea Bird Guano poop goop kind of stuff. It absolutely reeks and makes you want to gag. But, my plants loved it. You mix between a 1/4 and a 1/2 ounce to a gallon of water. Give the jug a good shake and let it sit overnight before watering your plants. I also put in 2 tbsp of molassess with it. My girls couldn't get enough.


I've since ordered the 7 pack of Blue Planet Nutrients (organic), which I got today. I gave my girls thier first drink and now waiting to see how they like it.


This is the stuff I got ............

 

[Sense Amelia]

Hi Mutt, I have access to a great local store which has a vast array of stuff. But now I have had a second think, and fish mix is best for veg stage, plus it contains a high amount of nitrogen and too much of that can stall flowering. (swears profusively) so I don't even know how best to fix this N def, on day 10 of flower.... I mean you'd have thought there would be enough bloody N in the BioGrow but... I did let them go almost their whole vegatative life without any nutes at all didn't I?

 

[Muttt]

And, that is the reason I decided to go with the BPN. It is already mixed at the proper levels for each stage or growth. All you have to do is figure out which week of veg or flowering you are in, read the feeding schedule that BPN has online. It tells you how much to mix in with your water. All you do is mix it up and water your plants. I don't have to be a freakin chemist to figure out how much potassium or how much sulfure I need to give. Then try to figure out how to get that amount mixed into my plants. Plus ..... the price is absolutely right with BPN, I got a gallon of Bloom, gallon of Micro, gallon of Grow, quart of Dark Matter, quart of K-Bud, quart of Bio Juice and a 4 ounce jar of Mycorrhizae ...... all for 75 bucks. At my local hydro store, any one of the gallon jugs would cost more than 55 bucks. This is enough stuff to last me for several grows.

And, it's organic.