Rifleman's Roost Open 24/7: Perpetually Perplexed

Tead said:
I want to get my pets high. I can only imagine the entertainment value.
Alas, they can't tell me "No thanks Tead, I'm not into that" so I don't feel right about it... but I sure want to!
Perhaps one day I'll blur some moral barriers and see what happens.
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Spookies said:
I don't know that there are moral barriers there. Just conditioned misinformation.
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Tead said:
I'd paint humans with that brush, but my communications with the beasts is mostly limited to lick-based exchanges... so I have to give them a little special consideration.
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Spookies said:
Considering it any different to any other plant is conditioned behaviour in you. You would give any non toxic plant to your dog to make up its own mind surely no? I'm just saying if you want to try it's harmless! I appreciate where you are coming from though.
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When Roscoe can operate the grinder, pack the bowl, and manage to light the Bic, I'll let him indulge. Until then he is SOL. I consider him my child. My forever four year old. You wouldn't give your four year old kid a joint would you? :)

 
Tead said:
I've run across those that would.
Not my cup of tea of course, but yeah.... I've seen 'em.
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I was raised in that environment Tead. It took until I quit drinking before i gained insight into just how wrong some of the things I was raised seeing really are. :)

 
Water change at the close of Day 62. DD1/4 are now getting the same feed including all the extras I have on hand. DD2/3 are on a mgb diet only.

I decided to adjust the pH of the nutrient soup this week. First time fooling with pH in well over a year. Ive noticed a calcium deficiency on DD3/4 and decided it had to be pH related as I feed 12ml cal-mag per 15L water at the beginning of the week, and add 6ml to each gallon needed to top off the reservoirs.

After adding, mixing, and waiting for it to stabilize, the AN mix comes out to 6.1pH. By adding 3ml pH Down to each bucket it brings pH down to the optimum of 5.8 I'll be watching it close this week to see what happens. If D1/2 start showing the same problems I'll suppose it isn't pH related.

Photos below, all linked to larger versions. If you have any comments, or suggestions, I'm all ears. :)



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Stalks and Kief





BTW, all the kief came from just using the bin while trimming, and running the fan leaves and stems across the screen. I still have all the stalks to do, so there will be more later. I'll update total haul after they get screened.
 
Im battling a Ca def too. Ph has been well within range. Its only on oneof my plants and i have gradually increased from 2ml/l of ANs calmag to 4ml/l. Ive heard it's hard to overdo calcium as far as toxicity but too much can lock out other nutes. Any suggestions, Rifle or anyone else?
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"A house divided against itself cannot stand"
 
Ditchweed242 said:
Very nice Rifleman. The colors on the DDs is gorgeous.
Cheers.
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Thanks DW ! :) I wish I could take the credit, but I can't. I'm just here to make sure they don't run dry, the rest is Ol Ma Nature. :)


Lazarus13 said:
Im battling a Ca def too. Ph has been well within range. Its only on oneof my plants and i have gradually increased from 2ml/l of ANs calmag to 4ml/l. Ive heard it's hard to overdo calcium as far as toxicity but too much can lock out other nutes. Any suggestions, Rifle or anyone else?
"A house divided against itself cannot stand"
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Watch out Laz, isn't the AN version 4-0-0 ? Lots of added nitrogen. I'm beginning to think it's the nature of the LED lights to cause major calcium problems. Don't know what else to tell you except hang out and see if DD1/2 develop a deficiency as they bloom like the others did. If not it's a pH issue for me. My season is nearly half over, but next year the DDA run will be under my HPS. I want to see if they will get taller for me, and avoid the cal def. :)
 
Think im gonna use up the last of my GH calmag. Its only 1-0-0 as opposed to the 4-0-0 of AN. Should be able to dose a bit higher without the worry of the extra N. I will be keeping an eye on yours. Thanks.

"A house divided against itself cannot stand"
 
Random thoughts on pH and Harvest Totals. :thumb:

I'll just go ahead and start out with harvest totals. Pretty sure y'all don't give two hoots about my thoughts on pH. :)

Six Shooters
SS1 184g/6.6oz
SS2 140g/5.0oz
56g trim

AutoUltimates
AU1 180g/6.4
AU2 185g/6.6
77g trim

Kief
4g combined, so far

:party:24.6oz bud, 4.75oz trim, 4g kief, in 104 days:party:

Now on to pH. I mixed water, nutrients, and pH down this morning and let it sit while I took photos and did all the other stuff that gets done during a water change. Before putting the plants back into the buckets I checked pH.

DD1 5.8
DD2 5.8
DD3 5.9
DD4 5.8

Eight hours later when the light came on I checked pH again.

DD1 7.1
DD2 7.4
DD3 7.1
DD4 7.2

That's the last time I bother to adjust pH going in. Since I now have a pH pen that is useful, I'll just adjust top off water and to heck with the reservoirs until water change time again.

pH pens. Buy the best you can afford. Heed this, Buy A Good One ! After having several of the $20 yellow types, I finally bought a Blue Lab. What a difference ! Easy calibration and quick readings that don't fluctuate. With the old pens it would take 20 to 30 seconds to get a reading, and then it would likely bounce a digit one direction then the other. The new pen gives a solid reading in about 5 seconds and doesn't waver. No matter how many times you rinse and recheck, it reads the same. There's a lot to be said for quality. :)

Y'all have a good evening, I'm going to light the grill. Check back with you tomorrow. :peace:
 
When i mix my nutes it starts out atv58 or 5.9. It stays pretty consistent for about 3 or 4 days then it will rise to about 6.0 and stay there for the next few days until rez change day. Im using the same mix for both plants but only one is showing a def sobthat one has gotten a raise in ca/mg incrementally. I'm not having any other issues that i can see. No tips pulling to the side, growth is pretty aggressive and the roots are big and healthy.
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Other than the brown spotting they look great and are budding up nicely. I just dont want anything to mess with my yields as the boss has asked that this be my last grow until we move. I need a stock of meds to last a little bit.

"A house divided against itself cannot stand"
 
Tead said:
Hey Laz.... well... Hey RM too of course, have fun with that grill, but back to Laz....
Tell us about your PH routine. Your calmag addition numbers seem pretty huge. I can't help but wonder about your PH.
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Roast veggies, garlic toast, and some fat ribeyes, all done on the mighty Holland. If yer lookin, you ain't cookin. :)


Lazarus13 said:
......... I just dont want anything to mess with my yields as the boss has asked that this be my last grow until we move. I need a stock of meds to last a little bit.
"A house divided against itself cannot stand"
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I feel your pain. The CEO only lets me grow during cold weather. Something about I'd never leave the house if she let me grow year round. :biglaugh: With my habit of an oz a week, I know a thing or two about stockpiling. :)

Tead said:
Next time you get a chance to rock the boat, try bumping down just a touch. At 5.8 you're pretty far out of the Cal uptake range... thus explaining the large need for calmag. You might try bumping down to 5.5 or 5.6 and letting it drift up thru the nutrient uptake ranges as it rises. I've been doing 5.3 in my perlite girls.
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Thanks for that chart Tead. For some reason I had it in my mind that cal was still available at 6.0 Reckon it never hurts to go back and review the basics. Of course I don't think it matters in my situation. I checked pH today, 24 hrs after a water change at 5.8, and it isn't pretty. There is a reason AN says not to adjust pH and nutrients are available regardless of pH. <smh>

The list below represents pH at water change, eight hours after, and finally 24 hrs after. For now I'll adjust any water I add to 5.8, but come water change day I'm going to continue like I have for over a year... blissfully unaware and somewhere near 6.1. :):):)

DD1.....5.8.....7.1.....7.2

DD2.....5.8.....7.4.....7.6

DD3.....5.9.....7.1.....7.5

DD4.....5.8.....7.2.....7.4

 
So my cal def symptoms are increasing. Im getting a lot of brown spotting. Checked my ph tonight and it had dropped to 4.8. Wth? So i brought it back up to 5.5-5.6.
Contacted AN and they told me to drop my calmag way back, stop using hammerhead and up my nutes to closer to 4ml/l. Told em much over 3ml/l i started to get burn on my leaf tips and didn't hear anything back after that.

"A house divided against itself cannot stand"
 
Lazarus13 said:
So my cal def symptoms are increasing. Im getting a lot of brown spotting. Checked my ph tonight and it had dropped to 4.8. Wth? So i brought it back up to 5.5-5.6.
Contacted AN and they told me to drop my calmag way back, stop using hammerhead and up my nutes to closer to 4ml/l. Told em much over 3ml/l i started to get burn on my leaf tips and didn't hear anything back after that.

"A house divided against itself cannot stand"
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Still waiting for a response ? Or did you get the canned, straight from a flow chart response that looks like this..?

....."Our pH perfect nutrients typically make the nutrients available to the plants at an extremely wide range.
EC/ppm is tricky to read with these nutrients due to the fulvic, humic, aminos, pH buffers. It can look hotter than it actually is.
Rest assured we test these nutrients on tens of thousands of lights worth of plants. Most growers are able to achieve 4ml per liter in hydroponics.."

 
Nature abhors a vacuum, and I'm not too good with empty buckets. :trance: Not a problem because I dropped four seeds into paper towels this evening. As soon as I see a tap root they will go into Rapid Rooters and buried in a basket.

Wait, what are they you ask? Some hard to get your hands on stuff, that's what. :smokin: First up are two beans from Short Stuff Seeds, Auto Jedi Kush. I don't know much about this strain but have seen three others grow it. So far 29 inches is the largest I've seen, but they've all been in soil. I hope I can push the genetics a little and grow a stunner. I do believe these will be in seed banks eventually so keep a watch if they interest you.

Next I have two Sweet & Sour Devil's Crack. An F1 made right here at The Roost by crossing a Sweet Seeds Dark Devil fem pollen donor and a Mephisto Sour Crack. There has only been one of these grown that I know of and it was at 10/14 from day one and produced 55g dry. There are some beans in the hands of some grower friends so maybe there have been others, but I haven't seen them yet. :)

This it. Four down for germination. The choice of led or hps is still up in the air, but I believe the DD will move to the hps to finish. The new ones under the led. And when the hps is empty move in four Mephisto beans. Toofless Alien and Sour Stomper sound good to end my season. :drool:

Peace Out, I'll be back after we get some root action. :peace:

 
Roast veggies, garlic toast, and some fat ribeyes, all done on the mighty Holland. If yer lookin, you ain't cookin. :)
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Yowsa! Got some pork lined up for the grill but my dance card is filled today... perhaps tomorrow.

Lazarus13 said:
So my cal def symptoms are increasing. Im getting a lot of brown spotting. Checked my ph tonight and it had dropped to 4.8. Wth? So i brought it back up to 5.5-5.6.
Contacted AN and they told me to drop my calmag way back, stop using hammerhead and up my nutes to closer to 4ml/l. Told em much over 3ml/l i started to get burn on my leaf tips and didn't hear anything back after that.
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Ya know... Cal issues start off as little pin prick sized spots. Then, as time passes, those spots grow larger as the leaf grows. It's not that more damage is happening, it's just that the damaged spot is being stretched out as the leaf grows. It can be misleading. Not saying that's what's going on in your garden... just a tip. While this is true for any damage, cal issues seem to pop out and catch the eye hard.
Another thing to keep in mind... you're kinda smack in the middle of aggressive blooming... some plant damage is usually normal here as the plant consumes some of it's stored nutrients.
I'm not surprised you see damage after 3ml/L. The feeding schedule for AN tops out at 4ml/L, so I can see how any specific plant is slightly touchier than the generic feeding schedule predicts.
 
I don't want to jack rifles thread so i won't post anymore on the issue except to say i was seeing new spotting on the newer growth so i was assuming the trouble was continuing.. I raised my feed to 3ml/l of mgb and cut my calmag back to 2ml/l. One plant i kept on hammerhead and one on big bud as a test. Big bud is only meant to be used through weeks 2 to 4 but they told me to run it til i switch to overdrive. Ill see if there is any change when the lights come on at 7 tonight. Thanks for your input guys.
Rifleman, those sound like great strains to finish the grow season off. Cant wait to see how they come out. Beautiful, im sure.

"A house divided against itself cannot stand"
 
Just a note calcium deficiencies in produce are hard to correct. This because once you see v the symptoms and treat the problem by adding cal mag solutuons in your dripline it still takes some time before the plant can utilize the new resource. This what causes blossom end rot in tomatoes. Often times the calcium is there but not available to the plant. I used to continually add calcium to my compost pile and then use the compost for my plants. Of course all of this only pertains to soil grows. Much easier to get quick results in hydro

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