Renaissance Man's First Official Grow: Blueberry OG, Gorilla Zkittles & Cream Caramel In Soil

[Krissi Carbone]

Flower Day 1
Water/Feed day

Welp, here goes...
I haven't upped the nutes yet but will do so next feed.
Gorilla Zkittles has a 56-63 day flowering time. That would put harvest time from 1/25 - 2/1
Blueberry OG has a 50-55 day flowering time. That would put harvest time from 1/19 - 1/24
Cream Caramel, (a freebie seed), looks like it has a 60-70 day flowering time. But I also read 8-9 weeks. I don't know which breeder it is. So I'll guess ~2/1
Here they are:

GZ

BB

CC

Cream Caramel Clone aka C3

You forgot the -P O in C3

 

[Renaissance Man]

You forgot the -P O in C3

Haha at first I was like, am I missing some nutrients? What is Po?

 

[Krissi Carbone]

Haha at first I was like, am I missing some nutrients? What is Po?

now you sound like me....lol

 

[Renaissance Man]

Flower day 2
1 Day since water/feed

The plants look good this morning. There are a couple of concerns on two plants. On GZ and BB, I'm seeing a couple of leaves that show some brown on the outer edges of a couple leaves. I'm not sure if this had to do with the lack of water/food for 5 days or if my DIY calmag is not strong enough or maybe not enough at feeding. Thoughts?
GZ

BB

CC

and C3 still trying to grow roots

 

[Renaissance Man]

Oh sweet baby Jesus get out now!

So here is my guide and a couple of tips that you never asked for.

With your Tega Brop *taps nose* if you haven’t done so already, tip some into a small jar, and get a anti moisture sachet thingy. They come in handbags and makeup bags and stuff when you buy them. It’s stops moisture getting in your TB.

Measure it to the mg. I prepare it to stop rush disasters. I have like a feeding station with my TB, teaspoon and scales.

Because I struggle to follow the most basic direction my poster is a bit confusing. Just let me know if you need my afterthought arrows explained.

Hey @Trala, I know you're away, but when you get back, can you explain why during flower, your nutes are 2.5g/2L for the remainder of the grow when the feeding calculator states 2.65g/2L for week 1-2; 2.91g/2L for week 3-4; and 3.17g/2L for week 5+.

I get that every plant will be different and this is sort of a rule of thumb, but why not increase as the grow into flower? Also, will you or do you feed all the way until harvest or do you skip the last water with no feed?

Maybe @MrSauga or @Virgin Ground can explain?

 

[Krissi Carbone]

Flower day 2
1 Day since water/feed

The plants look good this morning. There are a couple of concerns on two plants. On GZ and BB, I'm seeing a couple of leaves that show some brown on the outer edges of a couple leaves. I'm not sure if this had to do with the lack of water/food for 5 days or if my DIY calmag is not strong enough or maybe not enough at feeding. Thoughts?
GZ

BB

CC

and C3 still trying to grow roots

Could be a stress response...could be cal mag...in regards to the question you posed below I can offer you this information...

Prescription Blend runs its strongest nutes wk 3/4 of Flower then decreases after that, you stay on a steady long term flower feed I guess you could call it...I'm not sure why, just another point of reference

 

[Renaissance Man]

Could be a stress response...could be cal mag...in regards to the question you posed below I can offer you this information...

Prescription Blend runs its strongest nutes wk 3/4 of Flower then decreases after that, you stay on a steady long term flower feed I guess you could call it...I'm not sure why, just another point of reference

Could be a stress response...could be cal mag...in regards to the question you posed below I can offer you this information...

Prescription Blend runs its strongest nutes wk 3/4 of Flower then decreases after that, you stay on a steady long term flower feed I guess you could call it...I'm not sure why, just another point of reference

I think I know what I did. The day I flipped to flower, I wanted to have a fully drenched fresh water but I also added feed. Since it didn't take that much, I think it burned by too much nutes. It seems to not be too bad and only localized to a little bit.. thoughts?

 

[Krissi Carbone]

I think I know what I did. The day I flipped to flower, I wanted to have a fully drenched fresh water but I also added feed. Since it didn't take that much, I think it burned by too much nutes. It seems to not be too bad and only localized to a little bit.. thoughts?

Yea...that could be it when did you feed them last before that extra feed on top of the water

 

[Renaissance Man]

Yea...that could be it when did you feed them last before that extra feed on top of the water

About 2 days prior. Only the top couple inches were dry. I'm going to try and hold off watering until the leaves begin to droop

 

[Virgin Ground]

I get that every plant will be different and this is sort of a rule of thumb, but why not increase as the grow into flower? Also, will you or do you feed all the way until harvest or do you skip the last water with no feed?

Howdy RC.

I didn't have time to read your entire journal so I'll ask a few questions.

The GZ you are having issues with...

This plant is in Fox Farms ?

You using MC for nutes on that one?

Are you adjusting the pH of your nutes?

I saw you're using some sort of cal-mag. Are you adding the cal-mag to the water before the MC is added?



With MC you don't want to go much over 5gr/gal. That's about where I stop. If the plant needs more I will supplement with cal-mag containing N or some sort of bud booster for more P and K instead of adding more MC.
With MC it's a good idea to leach the medium at week 4 of flower to avoid salt build up.

I feed until the end. The last feeding could be just water. If they are that close to harvest they should be done putting on the weight and plain water won't hurt a thing.

Letting a plant get dry to the point that you did will certainly give you some blemished leaves.

It's really early here and I haven't had my coffee yet. Let me know if I missed anything.

 

[Renaissance Man]

Howdy RC.

I didn't have time to read your entire journal so I'll ask a few questions.

The GZ you are having issues with...

This plant is in Fox Farms ?

You using MC for nutes on that one?

Are you adjusting the pH of your nutes?

I saw you're using some sort of cal-mag. Are you adding the cal-mag to the water before the MC is added?



With MC you don't want to go much over 5gr/gal. That's about where I stop. If the plant needs more I will supplement with cal-mag containing N or some sort of bud booster for more P and K instead of adding more MC.
With MC it's a good idea to leach the medium at week 4 of flower to avoid salt build up.

I feed until the end. The last feeding could be just water. If they are that close to harvest they should be done putting on the weight and plain water won't hurt a thing.

Letting a plant get dry to the point that you did will certainly give you some blemished leaves.

It's really early here and I haven't had my coffee yet. Let me know if I missed anything.

Hey Thanks @Virgin Ground!
To answer some of the q's:

Yes, the plants are in Happy Frog and Ocean Forest
I am using MC for all the plants yes
I am not pH'ing any water. Tap water alone.
The Cal-mag is the DIY version that Emilya described somewhere in here, cooking the eggshells and fermenting in Apple Cider Vinegar for 3-4 weeks. I'm not sure of the actual nutrient content percentages, so I am feeding 5mL per 1.5L of water. and yes, I add that before I add my nutrients. Why is this significant?

Interesting about not exceeding the 5g/gal limit. When you say, leach the medium, how would this be done? Is it simply a water feeding with no nutrients or something more?

Thank you for stopping by and giving me some things to think about.

 

[Virgin Ground]

Why is this significant?

If you use silica then silica should be added first,cal-mag second and then the MC. Added in the wrong order both silica and cal-mag can precipitate other nutrients out of the MC,making them unavailable to the plant. The MC I use is the one part.
I assume that is the one you're using as well?

Interesting about not exceeding the 5g/gal limit. When you say, leach the medium, how would this be done? Is it simply a water feeding with no nutrients or something more?

Leaching the medium is what most growers call flushing. I consider flushing as feeding plain water for the last few weeks.
Where as leaching is running a large amount of water through the medium and then feeding an appropriate amount of nutes after.

I have issues if I go above 5gr/gallon for most plants. Since I work with hybrid plants mostly and grow a few different strains at a time,I like to fine-tune what I'm feeding depending upon the needs of the particular strain or phenotype. Some plants like Alpine Star aren't heavy feeders and will seldom get to that 5gr/gallon amount.
You really learn to read plants when you use MC.

 

[Renaissance Man]

If you use silica then silica should be added first,cal-mag second and then the MC. Added in the wrong order both silica and cal-mag can precipitate other nutrients out of the MC,making them unavailable to the plant. The MC I use is the one part.
I assume that is the one you're using as well?

Interesting, I did not know that would make a difference but I'm glad I was doing it in the right order. I am using the same one part.

Leaching the medium is what most growers call flushing. I consider flushing as feeding plain water for the last few weeks.
Where as leaching is running a large amount of water through the medium and then feeding an appropriate amount of nutes after.

I was under the impression that MC does not cause a salt buildup?

I have issues if I go above 5gr/gallon for most plants. Since I work with hybrid plants mostly and grow a few different strains at a time,I like to fine-tune what I'm feeding depending upon the needs of the particular strain or phenotype. Some plants like Alpine Star aren't heavy feeders and will seldom get to that 5gr/gallon amount.
You really learn to read plants when you use MC.

What are the issues that come about if you go over the 5g? More burn on the tips? Darker leaves? I have 3 different strains going so maybe I need to reconsider the same nute schedule for all of them?

 

[Trala]

Hey @Trala, I know you're away, but when you get back, can you explain why during flower, your nutes are 2.5g/2L for the remainder of the grow when the feeding calculator states 2.65g/2L for week 1-2; 2.91g/2L for week 3-4; and 3.17g/2L for week 5+.

I get that every plant will be different and this is sort of a rule of thumb, but why not increase as the grow into flower? Also, will you or do you feed all the way until harvest or do you skip the last water with no feed?

Maybe @MrSauga or @Virgin Ground can explain?

Ok let me explain.

When making decisions your decision should be based on refining your topic, on research, on intellectual discussions, on note taking and then formulate a plan.

So my explanation as to what I based my 2.5g/2L decision on:- I asked Virgin Ground LOLLLINGGGG and took that as gospel and I gotta say, so far according to plant colour, it has worked for me. I have not needed to deviate from the plan she recommended. My outdoor girl is more difficult as she has different soil and has the rain factor.

And what is this calculated 2.65g/2L - 3.17g/2L madness you speak of? Where did you even find this craziness? Please don’t tell me the Tega Brop *taps nose* bag, coz VG will legit lose her fucking shit if she finds out I still haven’t read the feeding directions on the bag

Sauga and VG are the TB experts. I’m no help.

 

[Renaissance Man]

Ok let me explain.

When making decisions your decision should be based on refining your topic, on research, on intellectual discussions, on note taking and then formulate a plan.

So my explanation as to what I based my 2.5g/2L decision on:- I asked Virgin Ground LOLLLINGGGG and took that as gospel and I gotta say, so far according to plant colour, it has worked for me. I have not needed to deviate from the plan she recommended. My outdoor girl is more difficult as she has different soil and has the rain factor.

And what is this calculated 2.65g/2L - 3.17g/2L madness you speak of? Where did you even find this craziness? Please don’t tell me the Tega Brop *taps nose* bag, coz VG will legit lose her fucking shit if she finds out I still haven’t read the feeding directions on the bag

Sauga and VG are the TB experts. I’m no help.

You crack me up! I was referring to the TB website feeding calculator. You've never gone there?

 

[Trala]

You crack me up! I was referring to the TB website feeding calculator. You've never gone there?

Let me get this straight. Are you asking me if I’ve ever researched the nutrient I use to feed my plants? The nutrient that fuels my grows every time I water? The nutrient that has a website with a built in calculator to ensure your plants get exactly what they need?

Omg! Of course I have! What level of moron do you think I am?! I visit that site DAILY! Look when I say daily I mean more second daily, and by second daily I mean weekly. If I can be truthful, I visit it monthly, and when I confess monthly I’m lying. I actually go there one time. One time to buy the nutes. In fact I was today years old when I found out the TB site even had a feeding calculator.

L O L L I N G

 

[Trala]

Day 61 for GZ
Day 54 for BB and CC
2 days since water/feed

A major facepalm observation today. Ready for this one? I went to switch my timer to 12/12 as first day of flip will be tomorrow and guess what? The timer was set as "ON" and not to "Timer" I don't even remember doing that so it was probably at the very beginning. These plants have been under 24 hr light for 60 days!

That explains a lot of my mishaps with the leaf outer edge coloring and the light stress. Wow. What a lesson.

At least they're still growing and hopefully will continue to.

I'm at a loss for any other words. I'll be back soon, just got to go and pound my head against the wall for a few minutes.

My first grow here I found out by accident that you weren‘t meant to wake them during dark time. I spent the bulk of their veg time waking them to train, look at them and take pics so I wouldn't upset their daylight. I set the timer to be on at night with sleep during the day just to accommodate not interrupting their wake time lolllinggggg.

Thank God @013 realised what I was doing and set me straight before flower.

 

[Renaissance Man]

Day 5 of flower
Water feed day

Here is a brief update as I hate doing this on my phone:
Upped the nutes to 1.9g/1.5L (5g/gal equivalent)
All seems good for now.
Blueberry was a little That's yesterday and I was worried overnight but after a water today, it bounced back quick.
GZ

BB

CC

C3

Overview

 

[Krissi Carbone]

Day 5 of flower
Water feed day

Here is a brief update as I hate doing this on my phone:
Upped the nutes to 1.9g/1.5L (5g/gal equivalent)
All seems good for now.
Blueberry was a little That's yesterday and I was worried overnight but after a water today, it bounced back quick.
GZ

BB

CC

C3

Overview

They recovered well from your absence RM

 

[MrSauga]

Hey @Trala, I know you're away, but when you get back, can you explain why during flower, your nutes are 2.5g/2L for the remainder of the grow when the feeding calculator states 2.65g/2L for week 1-2; 2.91g/2L for week 3-4; and 3.17g/2L for week 5+.

I get that every plant will be different and this is sort of a rule of thumb, but why not increase as the grow into flower? Also, will you or do you feed all the way until harvest or do you skip the last water with no feed?

Maybe @MrSauga or @Virgin Ground can explain?

Hi RM,
to add to what has been said already. MC has a pretty good formula, but once you start going over 5 or 5.5g/gal then the K.Ca.Mg ratio in MC starts to get out of whack. Ideally you want that to be 4 parts K, 2 parts Ca, and 1 part Mg. Once you go too far outside those ratios your plant will start to lockout or demand more of one or the other.