Relaxed's Winter Experiment

trichomes, with 18/6 I get to save some money with lights out, plus I really don't understand the 24/0 thing as all plants in nature receive some sort of dark period. But always, to each his own ;) although Les's opinion was wanted you got a good chunk of follow up replies :)

Your babies are looking awesome Les :high-five:
 
trichomes said:
Why 18/6 instead of 24 hours for vegging?
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The topic extends into a deeply rooted and specialized field of plant biology, and there many many different reactions that take place in the plant, whether it be in the day time or night time. Those reactions are equally important, there is not many places in the world where these plants grow naturally under 24 hours of light and 0 hours of darkness. So for thousands of years they have been genetically adapted to some degree of darkness.

My opinions: We need some kind of dark cycle to help balance the growth hormones, provide a rest period for the plant, and generally help "Harden" the plant for what's to come in flowering time. I do believe that when running 24/0 lights that this unnatural phenomena could spark the build-up of un-wanted growth hormones, ones that are the result of high stress, and no rest. For instance, I would not be surprised if this impacted the "genetically determined sex mechanism" and causes more genetic expressions in the forms of hermaphrodites, and males -- the ones who respond really well to stress? Those hardy males we talked about...

Not to mention, if using 24/0 light cycle, when switching to flower, it will take much longer for the plant to realize what is going on, and literally has to start from scratch to build up the flowering hormones during the night. I have run 24/0 on my ghetto closet grow, it was just a waste of electricity, and probably didn't do anything "extra special" to them. I believe that the dark reactions are very very important. They can also continue to synthesize sugar, as well as break down their own sugar during the night (cellular respiration), this internal harvesting of it's own built up carbohydrates is what I was referring to when I say we need a "balance" in the system, we need to get it "hardened" and adapted to the different situations in life, even from the very beginning.

I may have went a little bit off topic, but those are some of the first opinions I could think of as to why 18/6 is better than 24/0. GLR is another nifty routine that is definitely worth looking into, no point in paying for all that extra electricity for very little potential difference. It's one of the reasons I enjoy outdoor growing so much -- because it is natural. Just my two cents.:Namaste:
 
Happy Sativaday Relaxed
i always felt plants need sleep like any other living thing
 
Gorgeous Autos mate!

I don't mean to go against the grain, but my veg tent runs 24/7. I do this for one reason and one only: That tent is in our bedroom. It's a cheap POS from Amazon. There's more light leaks than I can count and I have two major zipper failures. I'm afraid that if I gave them a "half-lit" dark period they'd herm.

Alas, I do agree with you in every other respect. Just...I can't do everything the way I'd like.

Cheers mate! and looking forward to your next smoke report.

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I had a some light leaks in my home made grow cabinet. I remedied every single one of them with black duct tape. I'd feel even better if I had to fix light leaks on a tent b/c of smoother surfaces to bind to. My cab is made of plywood, so tape sometimes comes loose and I have to either reseal or re-tape that area.
 
In my opinion a little light leakage shouldn't be a problem. As we discussed earlier on this thread (Relaxed's Winter Experiment) in it's natural habitat cannabis isn't ever in complete darkness but it still flowers...
 
B A R said:
In my opinion a little light leakage shouldn't be a problem. As we discussed earlier on this thread (Relaxed's Winter Experiment) in it's natural habitat cannabis isn't ever in complete darkness but it still flowers...
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One thing I always wondered about outdoor plants was do they hermie from moon and star light?
 
Follow that link & the following posts Sky.
 
Skybound said:
One thing I always wondered about outdoor plants was do they hermie from moon and star light?
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The answer to that is : No

1) Cannabis will adapt quite easily to this.
2) If someone's outdoor flowering cannabis went hermie because of the "moon-light", I would suggest finding some different seeds because it would be more than likely a genetic problem rather than an environmental problem.

But we did conclude in post #81 how the moon can positively or negatively effect the flowering signals of different plants. For some plants it helps, for some it doesn't. The worst it could possibly do for cannabis is if there was a big full moon right during the onset of beginning of flower, it could slow down the pistil growth by a couple days at most...
 
RL, in your opinion, what about indoor light leaks would you say causes hermies? like, what difference(s) about indoor v. outdoor causes a light leak to make a plant hermie? If I took a strain that has proven solid outdoors, then brought a seed indoors, but a light leak occurred, would this cause a hermie?
 
Skybound said:
RL, in your opinion, what about indoor light leaks would you say causes hermies? like, what difference(s) about indoor v. outdoor causes a light leak to make a plant hermie? If I took a strain that has proven solid outdoors, then brought a seed indoors, but a light leak occurred, would this cause a hermie?
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It very well could. There is a degree inconsistency as soon as you bring it indoors, it's hard for humans to be perfect in the way that orbital patterns of moons and stars are. So, with an indoor light leak (in a tent), in my opinion, even a small leak could cause great confusion because the intensity of the light leak is not a constant value, or is greater than the Lux of the moon. Again, environmental things are only one factor in the equation of genetic expression. It is the essence of the nature versus nurture argument put forth by Charles Darwin. There are other factors at play, other than environmental stresses... even though some people believe that the "nurture" part is more important than the actual genetics. This is a debate that has been going on for hundreds of years.

I think it is certainly possible that with strong enough genetics, a small light leak in the tent would not be enough to change anything for a sexually determined female.

Anyway, it is my opinion that you can't put a blanket statement on it, because infact the exact opposite could happen.
 
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Here is a picture for Josh to lighten up this page of the journal, I'm still "hardening" the little ones a bit more, I want to see atleast a few more node growths before I set 'em loose, let's just say I'm not anywhere near as stressed as I am during the regular growing season :)
Kind of gives it that mid-west tornado cellar look, reminds me of Josh's pictures. Anyway cheers!
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PS No that is not mold growing on the concrete...I made sure. :)
 
Happy Skunkday Relaxed :thumb:
 
Just a note about lights. If you need to look at your plants during the dark period use a green light. You can buy green CFLs at several big stores. Doesn't bother you're plants at all.
I use them outside at night to light up my back yard. :Namaste:
 
Skybound said:
RL, in your opinion, what about indoor light leaks would you say causes hermies? like, what difference(s) about indoor v. outdoor causes a light leak to make a plant hermie? If I took a strain that has proven solid outdoors, then brought a seed indoors, but a light leak occurred, would this cause a hermie?
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light leaks can definitely cause hermies, interrupted darkness is also, very bad for your girls.

High RL:high-five:
 
Happy Munchday Relaxed :thumb:
 
I personally think if you have the same minor light leaks consistently throughout the grow, your plant will adapt to it. I think it's when you shock them with interrupted intrusions of light during the night (like turning on the lights to look at it), that you will have issues.:Namaste:
 
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