Relaxed's 2014 Outdoor Medical Grow
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slowgro
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I'm not attracted to the hype of "high brix kits", I'm happy with my herbs and how much money it costs me to grow them, after all that is the whole point of growing for me is to make up for all the money I've spent on medical marijuana at dispensaries. Imagine how much more money it would cost me to fill up twelve 7 gallon growing bags twice a year with "high brix kit components" for an outcome that is probably only ~4-5 brix degrees higher, I am happy with my 10% Brix, and that number can be altered more or less based on the weather conditions outside. My soil is not something I concoct myself, it is locally made organic soil that I end up amending with different bat guano teas, and I use a mixture of 3-4 different sea kelp strains as a foliar spray to "tingle the root zone" and activate the bacteria more. So I can achieve moderately decent brix levels without spending a fortune on that stuff. Just a matter of how the weather is doing for me, and how I treat my plants.
Let's examine the structure of dolomite CaMg(CO3)2
And Ca(CO3)
Do you notice anything different between the two? They are the same exact components, yet dolomite has an added Magnesium atom, and an additional mole of carbonate.
There is no doubt they can both act as buffers, and one might have slightly better solubility properties than the other. Either way they are VERY similar. A lot of my CaCO3 comes from ground up oyster shells and crab shells, in addition to the dolomite. So they are both present.
Just my two cents on the issue.... hate me or love me!
Thank you for the very detailed response, and information on your methods, and your feelings about hype and people spending way more than they need to.
I must have come off as if I was telling you to change your ways? I would never do that.I'm like Rip Van Winkle waking up after 20 years of not paying any attention to any of this. In terms of learning about this stuff, you're in graduate school and I'm in freshman orientation. All I know is that I'm quickly gravitating to the healthy alive soil approach, and I'm also very drawn to your relaxed approach.
For 40 years I've made good compost, dug it in, and grown everything pretty well without ferts/nutes. I'm excited about learning enough to take some of the guesswork out of it, and learning about things like "a foliar spray to "tingle the root zone" and activate the bacteria more." I love the whole idea of it.
I should have found what he said before I posted, because it was really just about different sources of calcium, not about different approaches to growing. This is what he said:
"calcium, most of it from limestone, soft rock phosphate and gypsum." "Dolomite is only good at one thing: stabilizing ph. However, the rock powders I listed above will also stabilize pH AND be a source of minerals for the plants. There is no reason to use dolomite when you can do such a better job with the other stuff."
I meant to offer it as potentially useful info, not as instructions - I don't even know if it's true. Your reply teaches me a lot more, it probably is about the solubility, and if it is worth considering your oyster and crab shells likely cover it.
If I have a choice........I couldn't possibly hate you
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I apologize for coming off a little stern. I may have misinterpreted the nature of your comment, but at the same time saw an opportunity to express some of my tangential opinions. I totally get what you're saying - and I thank you for putting the energy into that response to clarify things a bit for me. It is a pleasure to have you aboard my journal and I am glad that my "relaxed approach" appeals to you!
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Greensmurf420
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No matter how much I read on soil grows I find that there are so many opinions my head spins. One day I will understand this chemistry.
slowgro
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Good evening weed Lester. Laying out on the lounge with the cat in the sun just makes a person feel good. Your garden is so nice to look at. Happy day my friend
I love it; Grown Folk having intelligent dis-agreements without dis-respecting one another. I wish I could see a lot more of this. Heaven knows we don't all agree with all methods here on 420 but if we discuss our reasons why as adults there's no reason why anyone's feathers should be ruffled.
Buddy Ebsen
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That KC-45 sounds like a strange plant. I seen you say reveg? KC is known for sativa plants well a lot of sativa's anyways. One thing that company always strived for was 'large plants'. I hear they got some that goes over 16' in the right area. One thing I was thinking is that you did flower this girl in the early spring sun. Might have lended to the airy structure. Hey if the smoke works and you got a crop in from under mother natures HID in the sky. All in experimentation. I've been throwing afew plants outside, well earlier in the spring to get them started in flower anyways. That was due to my improper planning also. But it works. Around here it's time to start planning my outdoor grow. Well looking good my friend Keepem Green
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Great comment!
Good Evening Herb Brother Bee, you have that darn correct, was sitting out on the warm bricks with the cat. Winds are still up and she's still spooked but she's settled on in the cat bed for now.
I really loved this comment, I thank you BAR for stepping in with your words, I like the aura that you provide here at 420
That's what it is all about
Howdy Captain Woods, great of you to stop by. Yes I say reveg, my damn autoflowers went reveg on me lol. I really think its because I vegged them too long indoors and threw em outside into the wilderness. With this new batch they were all grown pretty much from the beginning outdoors so they've been adapted much longer, I think this makes for a more balanced expression of their true genetics, while somehow I was able to manipulate the first batch into being almost just purely sativa and very little ruderalis with the artificial lighting. I guess when they say KC-45 shouldn't be grown indoors they really mean it. Strange plant indeed, but the new batch is really cool and it's interesting to see all the different plants and the way they want to grow. I really am boggled in how I was able to get 8/10 females out of 10 regular seeds planted, never hit it big like that, makes me want to go out and buy some lottery tickets
Gonna give em 'till next thursday and just harvest 'em, I mean for damn sakes for an autoflower to be growing since December 12 ( that's almost 5 months for an auto) ready to get it done with and see how these Blackberries bloom
They're already on their way 
Thanxx Lest and if you don't mind;
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Buddy Ebsen
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Good morning Lester,
Pretty chilly this morning, 35 degrees, but sunny! Was very windy yesterday (30 Mph gusts), Thank you for shutting the door, was one heck of a draft for the ladies.
Well, am going to stroll through your other garden now and check things out. Have my lil transistor radio with me listening to "The Man in Black" Sunday Morning Coming Down.
Have a wonderful Day!
Pretty chilly this morning, 35 degrees, but sunny! Was very windy yesterday (30 Mph gusts), Thank you for shutting the door, was one heck of a draft for the ladies.
Well, am going to stroll through your other garden now and check things out. Have my lil transistor radio with me listening to "The Man in Black" Sunday Morning Coming Down.
Have a wonderful Day!
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Good morning Lester,
Pretty chilly this morning, 35 degrees, but sunny! Was very windy yesterday (30 Mph gusts), Thank you for shutting the door, was one heck of a draft for the ladies.
Well, am going to stroll through your other garden now and check things out. Have my lil transistor radio with me listening to "The Man in Black" Sunday Morning Coming Down.
Have a wonderful Day!
Yeah! Good Mornings Herb to ya
Finally the wind died down and things are back to normal. Should be a phenomenal day and week for growing ahead of us. Thanks for strolling through my garden, I think I'm gonna go do that right meow. 
Great Day to you SABO!
Morning Lester, could I bother you a sec? Photos in my gallery, wierd interior leaf issue. Posted I. Growers lounge w info. I
... I'm stumped. Your grow is looking fine though, so chill and kind.
... I'm stumped. Your grow is looking fine though, so chill and kind.
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Hey RL, just had to say something about High yogis sativa. Looks more like over watering than nute burn. Check the bottom of the pot to see if it is wet when the top is dry. How to fix? Don't water till the bottom dries out too. 
Yeah I thought so too Smoke2js but w a 50/50 ff ocean mist and, perlite its dry pretty darn quick. 79-89 f degrees w 78% RH. Heack I dried it out till drooping, three days, gave it a gallon perked up and still curled. Anyhow no into hii jacking Lesters thread just a quick reply, any other ideas drop by the thread. I do appreciate the input though, sure do.
Lester do you mist the tops of your leaves? I always thought its a good way to burn the leaf w the convex curve of the water droplets refracting the sunlight on the leaf. And as think about it ... rain happens lol. Any how do ya?
Lester do you mist the tops of your leaves? I always thought its a good way to burn the leaf w the convex curve of the water droplets refracting the sunlight on the leaf. And as think about it ... rain happens lol. Any how do ya?
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Whether I am foliar spraying or not, heavily depends on the humidity and air flow. Usually, with the weather we have had lately, I have been doing routine foliar sprays once a week. Typically I am very careful about spraying actual flowers as growing on the ocean, mold becomes a humongous problem. I make sure not to spray the foliage in direct sunlight, as you mentioned the water droplet can actually focus the light like a magnifying glass, so I usually foliar spray after the the plants are shaded after the mid-day peak, and there is a nice breeze coming through.
Cool,ima goona try it! When I kill the roast beef warmer lamp for the day